M10 Price Prediction?

[denizg7]

Originally Posted by zerobuttons

I´m curious here:

What do you expect to be the result? M10 or M9M better, regarding noise in B/W ?
Are there other IQ factors that should be compared?

Well I don't expect Leica to surpass my expectations since they don't make their own sensors. So i think a lot of black and white photographers will want to see an M10M and so forth.

Me Honestly? Film B&W is better , consider not the noise but B&W film has an inky feel that digital without editing will not have.

[Jeff S]

Originally Posted by denizg7

consider not the noise but B&W film has an inky feel that digital without editing will not have.

I don't wish to engage in the tired film versus digital debates, but only wish to point out that both film and digital typically require "editing," be it in a darkroom or on a computer, or use of different papers, etc.

Still, one might prefer one to the other.

Jeff

[Ben Z]

Originally Posted by Jeff S

Funny how nobody seems to complain about the potentially common use of filters with the MM

Speaking just on my own behalf, no complaints because I have absolutely no interest in the MM whatsoever. A huge advatage to me as a once-in-a-while b/w shooter is the ability with the M9 to obviate carrying filters by using color channels in CS.

I guess if Leica had planned for M8 filters rather than awkwardly stumbling into the need for them, these would be viewed as an advantage.

They would still be a disadvantage from economic, flare, and mandatory-use standpoint. But at least Leica wouldn't have come off looking like a bunch of incompetent nincompoops.

The M8 filters still are more effective in some circumstances than the internal M9 filter.

Quite true, and I still keep a Heliopan IR-cut filter in my bag for such curcumstances. But I have need to use it very very very occasionally, unlike the M8 which (as a mostly color photographer) was practically useless without the filter.

[victoriapio]

depends on what the m10 offers over the M9 but expect $10,999.00 US.

[jsrockit]

$10,000 for sure.

[Nikon Bob]

For most it is who cares they will never buy a new Leica at today's prices me included. As Roger points out that may also turn out to be true for a segment of current owners of digital Leicas.

Bob

[mervynyan]

with digital m, there is always time delay for average non professional shooter, so I don't want to rule out never never, but certainly used digital m will be on the market at much lower price. so yes, I am interested in monochrome and m10 while keeping current gears useful.

[MarkoM8]

9999,99€ + Vat

[Nemo]

Originally Posted by anjoca76

I truly love my Leica cameras--film, I have no digital M's--but I am beginning to think their business model is much like the salesman who sells million dollar pencils: he only needs to sell one! Their camera prices are simply out of reach for most people. $10K is a lot of money--at least for me it is.

I agree with you.

But we don't know, yet, the real price of the M10. It is a key variable, regardless of the M10's specifications.

[Nemo]

Originally Posted by kokoshawnuff

$10k maybe even more if they can justify it to their audience. After all they seem to have done quite well explaining why a 50mm f/2 should be worth $7200 to the discriminating photographer.

... only for real discriminating photographers...

In fact, we all are discriminating photographers. The real condition is a rich photographer.

[BobYIL]

I wonder how much the "Maria Sharapova" version be offered for.. More than €20K???

[kbg32]

Whatever it is, I'm not buying one. I have a college fund for my son to prepare for and I have 15 years to save. With todays economy, I wish I had 30 more years.

The M9 was the topmost I would pay for any Leica.

[Keith]

Originally Posted by tog

I rekon Leica will price themselves out of the market if its more than an M9. The output from other cameras such as Fuji etc is so good now that people will be questioning the value for money. But Leica being Leica I expect it to be more expensive so I'll take an each way bet on $8000, $9000 and $10000.

I seriously doubt that it's possible for Leica to price themselves out of the market.

Porsche, Ferrari, Mercedes and so on have tried for years and the well heeled just keep on buying them!

[jtm6]

Originally Posted by Keith

I seriously doubt that it's possible for Leica to price themselves out of the market.

Porsche, Ferrari, Mercedes and so on have tried for years and the well heeled just keep on buying them!

Porsche and Mercedes have models that are priced at the "wow that's expensive but not crazy expensive for me if I really want one" range for some people. I feel like Leica digital M models are destined to be like Lamborghinis... just a few very insanely expensive models.

[jsrockit]

Originally Posted by jtm6

Porsche and Mercedes have models that are priced at the "wow that's expensive but not crazy expensive for me if I really want one" range for some people. I feel like Leica digital M models are destined to be like Lamborghinis... just a few very insanely expensive models.

In all fairness, Leica also has lower priced cameras.

[Roger Hicks]

Is an M9 'insanely expensive'? It's certainly a lot more affordable than a Porsche.

Cheers,

R.

[Thardy]

Originally Posted by jtm6

Porsche and Mercedes have models that are priced at the "wow that's expensive but not crazy expensive for me if I really want one" range for some people. I feel like Leica digital M models are destined to be like Lamborghinis... just a few very insanely expensive models.

Yeah some of those cars can be quite badass (great looking, high performance, with a high envy factor) for not a crazy expensive price tag. If an M10 comes in at 10k, what do you have?

[f16sunshine]

I predict that the M10 will sell at a price that will cause many flame threads about Leica not serving photographers needs.... Catering to the rich.... Profit taking... Losing the plot in regards to "who" made them what "they" are today...
It's going to be so awful! Maybe I should go get a real problem now to distract me from reading any of those threads later

Joking aside. I hope it's not too much. If it is there will likely be fewer M9's coming on the used market which will stabilize the M9 price ....right out of my affordable range.

[Photon42]

About the same as the M9 price, maybe M9P.

[denizg7]

one things for sure. If the m10 cost $2500 dollars , there would be more leica users , a more dedicated fan base , and they would increase revenue.

I am pretty sure those two top and bottom brass plates alone dont cost 2,000 do they?

[jtm6]

Originally Posted by Roger Hicks

Is an M9 'insanely expensive'? It's certainly a lot more affordable than a Porsche.

Originally Posted by jsrockit

In all fairness, Leica also has lower priced cameras.

Neither are affordable for me and expensive can be relative. And I know what you mean jsrockit. My point was there are no lower-priced digital-M entry models into the Leica brand, like Ferrari but unlike Porsche and Mercedes. It was Keith's analogy, not mine.

[jtm6]

Originally Posted by denizg7

one things for sure. If the m10 cost $2500 dollars , there would be more leica users , a more dedicated fan base , and they would increase revenue.

That is not for sure for several reasons.

[segedi]

I wonder if Leica is looking at all these "estimates" and will come up with their price according to our silly expectations. If so, please price at $7,250. A little more than M9. And chop $1500 off the M9 and M9-P to get rid of the existing stock.

[Nikon Bob]

Originally Posted by Roger Hicks

Is an M9 'insanely expensive'? It's certainly a lot more affordable than a Porsche.

Cheers,

R.

I didn't know Porsche made cameras. News flash, yea I think it is "insanely expensive" for what it is but then people like myself are not Leica's intended market. I expect a Porsche owner would consider it cheap.

Bob

[EdwardKaraa]

If we believe the rumors, it's going to be around 10K. But I have the gut feeling it's not going to be that expensive. Probably around the price of a MM.