Film is really dead...

[jsrockit]

Originally Posted by Mcary

but sorry can't see a lot of D3100, D3200, D5100 or D5200 users moving to full frame.

Most of the people who buy these don't know what sensor size even means.

[FrankS]

Originally Posted by jsrockit

Most of the people who buy these don't know what sensor size even means.

Yes but the marketing brainwash is so strong, they will believe that they need FF.

[Mcary]

Originally Posted by jsrockit

Most of the people who buy these don't know what sensor size even means.

Very True
But those are also the people who are buying 90%+ of the DSLR sold

[Nikos72]

Not really! Almost everybody knows the technical jargon of the DSLRs and if not, they learn it on the way. The main problem is many buy a very expensive gadget and spend it in taking below average photos.
I know people that have very expensive DSLRs, they use it rarely, most of the time have it stored and clean the hell out of it, and most of their photos are test ones trying to get every single speckle of dust out of the sensor.
I know people that have a quite old DSLR (Canon D30, 3.1 mpx) that work miracles with it.
I also know many other people (like me) that had enough with all that digital thing and have started looking for slower paces that offer enough time to thing and behave like a human rather than a machine.
I believe that the film camera becomes an extension of man, while the digital camera is the exact opposite as you mostly click and the camera takes over the rest of it.
Film is not so expensive. TMax 400 for example costs almost the same amount of the good old triX back in the 90s.
Film and digital are different means for expressing the same result but with a completely different nature. I like digital, but right now I have burned enough the retina of my eye looking at the screen and seek for the comfort of a high contrast B&W printed on hard paper.

[jsrockit]

Originally Posted by Nikos72

Not really! Almost everybody knows the technical jargon of the DSLRs and if not, they learn it on the way.

I work in a very large corporate environment that I feel represents the mainstream very well. Nobody here knows about sensor size. They are still stuck on megapixels and HD video. They simply know a DSLR will give them better IQ than a P&S. Remember, we are talking of the family and baby shooters, not people into photography as an art form.

The main problem is many buy a very expensive gadget and spend it in taking below average photos.

Without these people, the camera industry would be a shell of what it is now. I don't understand why it is a problem either. There's a problem with people having fun and documenting their famillies? Seems elitist.

[fstops]

The main problem is many buy a very expensive gadget and spend it in taking below average photos.

People don't wake and say to themselves, "today I'm going out to take some below average photos..."

People take photos according to their abilities, and even the most casual user tries to take better photos... If taking above average photos was simply a matter of trying... well...

[Nikos72]

Originally Posted by fstops

People don't wake and say to themselves, "today I'm going out to take some below average photos..."

People take photos according to their abilities, and even the most casual user tries to take better photos... If taking above average photos was simply a matter of trying... well...

You are absolutely correct! But, if you buy a $2k DSLR you owe at least to yourself try a bit harder to justify the money spend. Trying always a bit more, always makes you better.

And remember, you cannot speak of photographic abilities, but of photographic skills. Abilities can not much to be changed/improved, but skills certainly can.

[Nikos72]

Originally Posted by jsrockit

I work in a very large corporate environment that I feel represents the mainstream very well. Nobody here knows about sensor size. They are still stuck on megapixels and HD video. They simply know a DSLR will give them better IQ than a P&S. Remember, we are talking of the family and baby shooters, not people into photography as an art form.

Think it like this. Somebody will go buy a FF DSLR because knows what a FF sensor is and why that FF DSLR is more expensive than others.
High megapixel counts and HD video is not on offer only by DSLRs, but also by compacts that many, not really high end ones, outperform some entry level DSLRs.
Family and baby shooters will go buy that entry level DSLR with the LCD that can dance all over the camera, but for sure they will not spend thousands to do it with FF camera.
Family and baby shooters tend to buy compacts. This is why compacts have higher sales than DSLRs. Not to mention that people turn to smaller and easier to carry solutions than to huge and bulky DSLRs and this is now depicted to the hundreds of new high performance compacts such as the Canon Powershot G15, the Nikon Coolpix p7700 and many more.

[FrankS]

I think that the store sales staff will try to up-sell the more expensive gear, and inform potential buyers of the advantage of FF and how it will help unlock their Potential of artistic creativity.

[Red Robin]

Roger, The shows are always a great place for the company s to do show&tell .Back in the day my father attended a chemical/paint show winning a wondrous looking contraption. It had a bellows looking thing and this beast produced B&W pictures in 60 seconds after wiping the print with a foul smelling chemical thing. He used this camera until he retired. For a eight year old it was really something . Just goes to show what a door prize can do. Have a great time, and you'll be getting paid too. Not bad not bad at all. however, sticking to the thread subject, In deed film is not dead. No more than any of the other forms of photography. For a price and some skill one can get a camera like Matthew Brady used. Somebody will still be producing film long after most of us are gone.

[jkrumsick]

The day will come when an electromagnetic pulse will render all of our gizmos useless... And the only things campanile of taking images? Film cameras!

[bugmenot]

Originally Posted by jkrumsick

The day will come when an electromagnetic pulse will render all of our gizmos useless... And the only things campanile of taking images? Film cameras!

How exactly will people get their hands on 120 and 35mm film if the machines that produce them are out of service? Did somebody forget that electricity is used by the machines that produce film? Sure, somebody else is going to claim they can make their own film on large pieces of glass on field cameras, but how practical is that for the majority of us?

[Rayt]

Updating my EMP checklist:

Build Faraday box
More ammo
Beef Jerky
D76
Tri-X

[Faintandfuzzy]

Originally Posted by kmallick

They did have that and I still remember the pleasure of shooting with that film 20 years ago. The 20x30 posters had hardly any grains and the colors.... oh my!

Ektar 100 has finer grain than that old 25.

[Messsucherkamera]

Originally Posted by Phantomas

... if I don't get free samples at Photokina. And something tells me I won't. Nothing new. Last 'kina - new and improved Portra. Samples. 'kina before that - new Ektar. Samples. This year no new film - no new samples. No free samples? Film is dead!

But seriously, curious what non-digital funny stuff there will be. Besides lomographie freakies I guess the regulars like Alpa will be there, maybe Rolleiflex again with the lastest TLRs behind the glass, an odd MF or LF back and lens manufacturers in between, maybe the boring old Practica will have a stand making me go "WTF?!" every time. Few chinese stands hawking their Seaguls right off displays. Fuji will have GFs far away from the main stand with no attendant knowing what the hell they are. It's all good fun.

(Still - no free film, weak.)

Prostitution must be dead, too - none of the vendors at Photokina were giving out free hookers, from what I heard.

[denizg7]

Originally Posted by jsrockit

Most of the people who buy these don't know what sensor size even means.

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