09-23-2012
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09-23-2012
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Really nice Menos. I still think this is the thread with the best work on RFF, all taken with a 28mm point and shoot!
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Thanks Kristian! To be honest though, the GRD makes this very easy, as it can be set up, to be used exactly, as one would use a Leica M.
So it is not exactly a P&S in the sense of less control.
It's a great little camera, and as has been said, it is one of the best lessons, one can buy for this kind of money - really teaching you, how to see 28mm.
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This is great! Great colors and a nice composition!
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09-24-2012
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#478
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It's a great little camera, and as has been said, it is one of the best lessons, one can buy for this kind of money - really teaching you, how to see 28mm.
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I've run into a problem, which I'm curious if other have too... I got a GRD a few years back and quickly learnt to love the 28mm perspective. That, together with me absolutely loving the work of Trent Parke and myself inspired to do the same sort of photography as him (many things in frame with light being the most important element, instead of a close look of how a specific person looks like (at least that's what I take from his pictures)), I got myself a 28mm lens for my Leica M body and dedicated myself to it.
However... even when I thought I framed pictures well with the 28, I often found out when developing that I was to far away. I did however not run into this problem with the GRD!
Even if I could see the framelines clearly without an extra viewfinder, I think the 0.72 viewfinder tricked me in thinking I wasn't getting as wide of a shot as I was. I've used a 24mm quite a bit with a dedicated 24mm viewfinder and never had any problems, but I think that has to do with that I saw right away that I had a wide angle lens on my body.
I still love my 28mm M lens and my favorite shots I've taken have all been with it, but I still today struggle with getting too many too wide shots, even though I'm aware of my "problem". One of the things I love with the 28 on an M, is that I don't need an extra veiwfinder, but I think this is also the main reason I struggle with it. On the GRD, I see right away what I am getting.
Anyone else notice this (just assuming others here have also gone down the same route as me and purchased a 28mm lens for a rangefinder after using the GRD  )?
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09-24-2012
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#479
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I found, that shooting a 28mm with a Leica M and the GRD, despite the similar field of view are two very different operations.
The GRD is a very, very compact and light camera with a big optical finder with decent eye point and a lot of frame around the 28mm frame (referring to the big 28/21mm GRD finder, not the tiny 28mm one).
The Leica 0.72 finder is very restrictive for shooting 28mm - it sort of works ok, but nowhere near do I get the immersion, while shooting, as with the tiny GRD with big finder.
I therefore shoot very little 28mm with the Leica M, but do much more @ 21mm + external finder of my preferred focal length @ 35 and 50mm.
The second point, which I love about the GRD is, that it's tiny sensor delivers due to the crop so much DOF, that one can practically shoot the camera prefocussed (snap mode) all day long and be quick about it.
Working close, you would have to stop down a Leica 28mm to f8 or f16, to get similar DOF and work as fast, as with the GRD.
I shoot the GRD on living subjects only in snap mode and constantly switch snap mode distance between 1m, 1.5m and 2.5m, depending on the situation, the same, I would prefocus a rangefinder lens on a Leica M.
The GRD makes shooting 28mm really easy - it's small package with excellent lens and descent RAW files is brilliant, controls are logic and easily configurable, while the whole camera really works in the favor of a photographer.
It seems not to be designed with "snapshot mode" in mind, but what photographers would want it to work - I like that!
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09-24-2012
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I knew someone else here would have had the same experience as me! I (obviously) agree with you that there definitely is a difference between shooting with the GRD and a 28mm lens on a rangefinder. Just wish the GRD's images looked as nice as the Leica's, then I'd be all set to go! 
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09-24-2012
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I knew someone else here would have had the same experience as me! I (obviously) agree with you that there definitely is a difference between shooting with the GRD and a 28mm lens on a rangefinder. Just wish the GRD's images looked as nice as the Leica's, then I'd be all set to go! 
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Maximilian, the GRD photographs look as good, as you make them.
I struggled a long time with exactly this point, trying the GRD again after a while and feeling, the image quality is bad, after shooting the digital Ms.
It actually is not, you just have to be a bit more careful, exposing the files and staying away from high ISO. Post processing is different as well, as of the different sensor.
I shoot the GRD III cropped in 2:3 mode, resulting in 9MP files, that easily print to 13x19" and don't look bad, compared to M8 or M9 or prints from TriX.
GRD files break easily, once you do a bit to high ISO or a bit too much post processing.
Now I have little reservation, to choose a GRDIII over a M8 or M9, when a 28mm is, what I want - the lens is really brilliant!
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09-24-2012
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Menus, I think the results you are getting with the GRD are just great and I'm very happy for you that you feel the way about the camera as you do! I really don't want to badmouth the GRD cameras, as I really do love them, but unfortunately for the look I want from my pictures, my GRD3 isn't quite getting it, no matter how carefully I expose or post process them. But that's just for the image I have in mind for my own work. Again, I love the pictures (and quality) of yours!
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09-24-2012
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Sorry, I feel bad that I've sounded kinda negative on this great thread. To get things back on order, here's a picture of my poor old nose-less bugger Otto.

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09-24-2012
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Haha! Otto is a cute one ;-)
I understand, what you argue - I felt the same for many months, trying and re-trying the GRDIII until it clicked only recently - it was just that: more carefully exposing (not underexposing as of bad shadow detail and certainly not highlight blowing and the little camera transformed).
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09-24-2012
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really nice photos here! the grd thread is one of the seldom picture threads of a digicam i regularly look in.
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10-05-2012
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Went to see the Red Hot Chili Peppers earlier last month. Here are some photos.
Noticed the blond with red sun glasses. Stupid reflection from my shirt. My passenger window when rolled down won't go back up.
Food and beer before the concert.
Concert lights.
I LOVE THIS SHOT
We had seats right in front of the barrier and everyone kept jumping the barrier running into the crowd I saw her standing there waiting for the next person, I wanted a photo so I fired my camera with flash and this is what I got. I was happy since it was completely dark.

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10-12-2012
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Here's link to a brief series, If Only:
http://roberthilllong.tumblr.com/pos...if-only-grdiii
And to the first image in the series. Low light, long exposure, handheld (sorry for blurs in the background--figure blur was intentional). Part of a series where I'm studying the effects of blacking out figures as they pass through settings. (= overexposure brush in LR PP.)

Last edited by rhl-oregon : 10-12-2012 at 09:11.
Reason: fix inaccuracies
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10-12-2012
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Bridge over the Cape Fear River / F1.9 .5sec ISO 800
Late afternoon contrasts, Disney Hall LA
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10-12-2012
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Just trying to wake up the thread, like someone who won't stop ringing the doorbell...

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10-13-2012
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10-13-2012
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10-13-2012
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Gfevan, I like the grain, contrast, vignetting. Care to share what you're doing with settings & post processing?
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10-14-2012
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bw in camera jpeg+lightroom (high contrast,grain,vignetting)
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10-14-2012
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10-14-2012
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Welcome ...nice stuff.
Here`s my GRD 1@1600.

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10-15-2012
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10-15-2012
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jolly good dog Robert
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Welcome, Rehview, and thanks for the images.
Also great to see more of (M4streetshooter) Don Springer's masterful GRD work here. ( http://www.flickr.com/people/pgrshooter/). Olivier Duong, who with Don has put together some inexpensive street presets for LR & Silver FX, has a useful post on GRD Snap on his f8blog here: http://thef8blog.com/?p=3576.
Robert
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10-16-2012
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10-17-2012
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