Bluefire Police film with Developer

[Photo_Smith]

Yes they scan well, but surprisingly they print OK on grade 2 paper also. The emulsion is pretty high in contrast (even with special developers) at suggested speed and low in latitude–pretty much a given for a thinly coated monodisperse emulsion.
The negs I posted were at the suggested ISO40 and dev times, halving the EI to around 20 really helped.

[raytoei@gmail.com]

hi, when i placed the order for this bluefire police, there was reference to Adox Canada.

http://www.adox.net/Products.htm

Maybe Adox CMS ? according to this website:
http://www.adox.de/english/ADOX_Film...CMS_Films.html

if used with Adotech, iso goes up to 80, film base is also transparent.

however, according to david foy who is involved in Bluefire, i quote this:
""Bluefire Police" is Tura Pan Line, a panchromatic EI 100 microfilm, packaged in 24-exposure 35mm cassettes. Tura does not sell it in retail quantities."

raytoei

[raytoei@gmail.com]

another link,

"Quote from: David Foy


The film is Agfa microfilm, spooled for me by Tura when they were still in business, and edge-marked by them as "Pan Line." The next batch will be spooled here and edge-marked "Bluefire Police."
It is well suited to pictorial photography when paired with a suitable developer.
It is not sold as Adox, but as Bluefire Police. You are correct that it is bad business to confuse customers."

http://nelsonfoto.com/SMF/index.php?topic=3937.0;wap2

[raytoei@gmail.com]

Perhaps agfa copex rapid then ?

[charjohncarter]

Frugal Photographer hasn't had developer for a while now, so I got 3 rolls and will develop in HC-110G. Well, really 1:125, I have researched a time, temp and agitation for this developer and will give it a try. I'll post as soon as have results.

[sepiareverb]

Originally Posted by charjohncarter

Frugal Photographer hasn't had developer for a while now

Yes, despite being told I'd have more developer I've still not seen anything...

Not worth my time at this point. Anyone want the rest of my rolls? Not sure how many there are left I can check tomorrow.

[charjohncarter]

Originally Posted by sepiareverb

Yes, despite being told I'd have more developer I've still not seen anything...

Not worth my time at this point. Anyone want the rest of my rolls? Not sure how many there are left I can check tomorrow.

I'll buy if things work out with HC-110G.

[raytoei@gmail.com]

john, i tried this with rodinal, the contrast was too high. hope to see your hc110 results. raytoei

[charjohncarter]

Originally Posted by raytoei@gmail.com

john, i tried this with rodinal, the contrast was too high. hope to see your hc110 results. raytoei

How did you develop in Rodinal, just for my info. I looked at your posts here but didn't see any on Rodinal. I know you did another post, but if you can give details, then thanks.

John

[raytoei@gmail.com]

my reference wouldn't be useful to you as
I stand developed it in tropical temperature
of 30c


40 Mins Rodinal Stand with mid-point agitation
at 30C
M6ttl with 50 Cron

attaching 2 images, scanned and scanned + adjustment.

raytoei

[charjohncarter]

Originally Posted by raytoei@gmail.com

my reference wouldn't be useful to you as
I stand developed it in tropical temperature
of 30c


40 Mins Rodinal Stand with mid-point agitation
at 30C
M6ttl with 50 Cron

attaching 2 images, scanned and scanned + adjustment.

raytoei

Thanks raytoei:1:100?

[raytoei@gmail.com]

yeah 1+100 dilution

[charjohncarter]

Thanks again, I'll contact you when I finish my roll.

[charjohncarter]

I shot my first roll of Bluefire Police. I used 40 on half and 20 on the second half of the roll. My development was with HC-110 1:125 for 25 minutes, 30 seconds initial agitation, and then ONE inversion every five minutes (so four during the remaining minutes after initial agitation) 68 degrees. I got most of this from Donald Qualls on the net, but I modified a little. The negatives on the 20 EI look very good and I will post after I scan tomorrow. Just from looking at them I would say I will use 10-12 EI next roll and reduce the time to 20 minutes (and I may modify my agitation too, but I'll have to think on that for a while), but scanning is a different ball game with this clear base so we will see.

EDIT: Here are a couple at 20 EI:







As you can see so far that outdoor shots are more contrasty.

[raytoei@gmail.com]

nice photos. especially the first one. i am surprised by the 3rd pic as it looks like a picture with an old emulsion. is it grainless as well in hc110 ?

[charjohncarter]

Yes, it is like the film I used 40 years ago. 25 minutes was too long and it over developed, but just slightly. I will shoot (I think) at 10-12 EI and then develop for 20 minutes, HC-110, 1:125, 15 seconds initial agitation, then 1 inversion each five minutes (3 total), 68 degrees. I hope this will give some compensation and the reduced time will lower the contrast. At least that is my plan now, but I might think of something different. Donald Qualls suggested this (or close to it) scheme and he seems to be in the ballpark.

[Fotohuis]

If you're going down in E.I. you can develop most micro film types in Rodinal 1+150 with reasonable results.
Another option is to use a low contrast document developer (e.g. Rollei Low Contrast, RLC) a recept of Udo Raffay.

For perfect results companies like SPUR made for Rollei and Adox some special developers (ATP-DC divided, Adotech etc.) to optimize the curve fitting. However in most high contrast light situations, every micro film has some problems.

Best regards,

Robert

[charjohncarter]

Thanks for the information Robert. The reason I used HC-110 was because the company that I purchased the film from is out of developer. So I just used what I had. Earlier I showed some photos of microfilm developed in a special developer. I worked OK but me not understanding agitation, dilution theory very well (which I still don't), I never modified my development scheme. This one is a good example of high contrast scene with microfilm:

1971:

[Fotohuis]

ATP1.1 (Rollei), well in fact Agfa Gevaert micro film with extended Red sensitivity in Rodinal 1+150. 6:30 minutes E.I. 15.

Here the same film E.I. 25 in the ATP-DC (Rollei-SPUR) developer 1+11,5 for 6:00 minutes.



Both done with the same camera and lens: M7 + Summarit 2,5/75mm.

[charjohncarter]

Robert, you can get interesting results with microfilm, like you have here. I don't know if you agree but it seems to me after scanning this first roll that you have to carefully pick your subjects. Portraits, nudes, and other indoor scenes seem to me good choices. It has been rainy and cloudy here and those gray skies seem to blow out easily.

[charjohncarter]

Here are a couple more from the first roll:

Cloudy day:



Bright sun:



And crazy shot:

[Fotohuis]

In the bright sun exposure you see already the problems in the highlights. It is very difficult to control this with any micro film.

[charjohncarter]

Right, and I had to try to 'hide' them with post processing. This film sure makes skin look good though (see Roberts). Plus, it is sharp so the convenience of 35mm is made to look like 120. Just use it in low or medium contrast scenes.

[charjohncarter]

OK, my second roll was much better than the first, HC-110 1:125, shot at 10, 20 minutes development, 15 seconds initial agitation, then 1 inversion with 1/3 twist at 15 minutes 10 minutes and 5 minutes counting down. Pretty slow which reduces the portability of 35mm photography, you have to use a tripod. It is still high contrast, and also has a gloomy look on a rainy day. Here are a couple:

[raytoei@gmail.com]

john,

very nice!

raytoei