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Mystery Camera Unboxing.
Old 03-20-2017   #1
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Mystery Camera Unboxing.

Who hates these kinds of threads? I received a package containing a vintage scale focus compact 35 camera. Two hints: it's from Germany, and it is not a Rollei.

Let's see if anybody can guess what it is before it's revealed.
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Old 03-20-2017   #2
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is it a Pentacon Electra?

but that was not much of compact camera though.
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Is it a Minox?
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Old 03-20-2017   #5
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Vintage scale focus 35mm camera from Germany thats not a Rollei? That narrows it down to what, only a few hundred options?
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Old 03-20-2017   #6
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Boots the chemist chain stores had the East German made Beirette scale focusing 35mm camera for our cash strapped cousins in the UK in the 1970s.

Twelve and a quarter pounds sterling and no case bought you a primitive 35mm camera of sorts.

http://www.collection-appareils.fr/x...te%20B.L..html
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Judging by the candy cane logo on the box, it has to be something sweet and attractive, yet not a luxyry item per se. Werra?
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Old 03-20-2017   #8
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I'll give another hint which should narrow it down considerably: this company survived the early 1970s, unlike most German camera companies.
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Old 03-20-2017   #9
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also this particular camera continued in production elsewhere after it ceased being made in Germany.
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Old 03-21-2017   #10
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Zeiss Contessa of some sort?
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Old 03-21-2017   #11
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Zeiss Ikon camera production didn't survive the early 1970s.
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A Rolleiflex SL35, pre-1973 ??? <edit> Since you state that it isn't a Rollei, I go with with the Agfa, as guessed below. </edit>
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Must be an Agfa then?
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Not Agfa, but ...
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It's a Regula Picca C - made in Germany 1973 through 1979. Was also produced under license in Romania and India.
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I found this one complete with box, soft case, and manual.
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Old 03-21-2017   #17
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Despite having made some rather complicated cameras in the 1950s, Regula had to go downmarket to stay competitive by the mid 1960s. And by the 1970s they were really going for the bottom of the market, the Picca series of cameras are plastic bodied and feature ISCO triplet lenses. But they do a pretty good job considering. There's a decent bright-line VF (better than some of the pricier Japanese made competition even) a compact and well designed body, which despite the cheap materials, the fit and finish of it are still decent. The C model was the base model, lacking a meter, but other variations could be had with coupled or uncoupled metering. The shutter is an odd contraption, with four blades, which provide the shutter and aperture functions simultaneously (there is no diaphragm for the aperture) the shutter opens wider for large apertures, and opens narrower for small apertures. How accurate this is in practice I have no idea yet. I suppose it may have save Regula a few pennies on the production line.

Despite all this it is still distinctly old-fashioned by 1970s standards. But then again, for the price you'd have had a hard time finding a camera with more modern features.

Picca production ended in 1979 in Germany, but Regula turned out a few more models until the mid 1980s.
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It's a Regula Picca C - made in Germany 1973 through 1979. Was also produced under license in Romania and India.
You got me, I wouldn't have guessed it!
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Interesting! My first 35mm camera was a Regula, bought new in Izmir Turkey in the Fall of 1963. As I recall it did have a rangefinder and meter. Gave me some useful beginner lessons... Don't remember what became of it. Doesn't that "K" logo mean "King"?
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Interesting! My first 35mm camera was a Regula, bought new in Izmir Turkey in the Fall of 1963. As I recall it did have a rangefinder and meter. Gave me some useful beginner lessons... Don't remember what became of it. Doesn't that "K" logo mean "King"?
Indeed it does. As I understand it it, King was the German company's name and Regula the camera brand.
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Yes, King was the parent company. Although for some reason not all Regulas carried the King branding.

The company occupies a rather strange place in German camera history. Surviving the mass die off of companies in the early 70s, only to be killed in the 80s by an investment in a bad technology (disc film!!!).

One of the odd things about their 70s cameras is that they're fitted with ISCO lenses. ISCO pulled out of the SLR lens market in the early 1970s, and seemingly, excepting Regula, the rest of the camera lens market as well. Even the Regula SLR ended up using Japanese lenses. But for whatever reason (maybe an old contract?) ISCO continued to supply Regula's fixed lens cameras through the 1970s.

In the 80s they mostly sold 110 cameras, some of which were of rather nice quality by 110 camera standards (meters and bright line viewfinders - wow!).
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That was fun! But what an ugly little thing, hard to face the parents.
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I almost bid on one the other night, but I'm trying to cut down on my collecting.

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Unfortunately, it being boxed made it irresistible.
I'll run a roll of film through it soon.
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King Regula Picca C by Berang Berang, on Flickr

Took it downtown for a test roll. Actually a pretty fun change from my usual cameras, felt more like shooting with a toy camera except for the strangely precise whirring and clicking noises the shutter makes. I decided to shoot B&W so it'll probably be a few weeks before I get around to developing it and seeing what happened.
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Kinda reminds me of a Fed 5.

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You could probably fit two of these things inside a Fed 5.
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Test roll photos back:

Untitled by Berang Berang, on Flickr

Untitled by Berang Berang, on Flickr

Untitled by Berang Berang, on Flickr

All photos were taken at f/4 or f/2.8, I didn't have high expectations for a 2.8/40 triplet, and it delivered about what I was expecting.

I really like using this camera, but unfortunately it does not seem very reliable. The advance mechanism jammed a couple of times during the roll, the exposures seem inconsistent, and more alarmingly a lot of images were just out of focus (with no visible point being in focus, so not simply a matter of me getting the distance wrong).

I may try taking it apart and cleaning it to see if anything can be done to make the shutter and advance more reliable. I'm not sure what would cause the random blurry frames.
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