Old 09-22-2012   #121
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OMG, I am shocked by the responses, but not in a bad way and appreciate the comments, pro and against me, the monochrom or whatever. Either way, like it or not, people are entitled to voicing their opinion, regardless of the type. This is a forum and I should know better than to worry about comments not in favour of my style of processing.

Cheers to all, now lets please get back to the pictures, whether you love the Monochrom or not.
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Old 09-22-2012   #122
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I think the "offense" was in the assertion that there was something "wrong" with the original versions, and that the 'revisions' were made by someone with a better qualification. The former is untrue, and i've not seen evidence of the latter.

"Post processing only?" As if that's not a critical component of a photograph. I don't think you can separate the two aspects. It's no different from standing behind him as he took the picture, and whining "no, no, mate — that's rubbish. Point it here, and wait until... NOW."

"to exhibit the Monochrome's capabilities better" — again... that sorta means shooting flat, lifeless pictures, for demonstration purposes. I'd much rather see real world work, done by people who are using the cameras, and not having the cameras use them, or shilling for Leica.

and the point is, an adult ought to understand there is no such thing as a universal "optimum" where subjective matters are concerned.
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Old 09-22-2012   #123
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For many of us Kristian's two threads in RFF have been the first convincing showing anywhere of what the Monochrom can do, and that is more than just him being a very fine photogrpaher, but that fact has been necessary too. I'm glad he's sticking with the thread. Peter and Jeff's stuff is great too. I love that shot of the pages of the dead. I admired one of Jeff's shots with the M9 on another forum, wondering about the processing, only to learn it was a JPEG in black and white straight put of the camera. I tried this at a poorly lit function the other night with my M9 and one JPEG was so good I could not replicate it from the RAW file with any manipulation I tried in LR4.1.

What are the JPEGs like out of the Monochrom?
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For many of us Kristian's two threads in RFF have been the first convincing showing anywhere of what the Monochrom can do, and that is more than just him being a very fine photogrpaher, but that fact has been necessary too. I'm glad he's sticking with the thread. Peter and Jeff's stuff is great too. I love that shot of the pages of the dead. I admired one of Jeff's shots with the M9 on another forum, wondering about the processing, only to learn it was a JPEG in black and white straight put of the camera. I tried this at a poorly lit function the other night with my M9 and one JPEG was so good I could not replicate it from the RAW file with any manipulation I tried in LR4.1.

What are the JPEGs like out of the Monochrom?
That is very interesting.
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Old 09-22-2012   #125
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Old 09-22-2012   #126
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Old 09-22-2012   #127
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I haven't paid too much attention to this thread in the way of reading everyones responses, just staring at the photos and I have to say this camera produces wonderful results! Even straight out of camera. Beautiful shots all around! Keep up the awesome work all and post more!

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A possible compromise?

I hadn't intended getting involved again in this thread but since it's still "raging" can I suggest a solution? There are obviously some people who feel strongly about the PP done to some of these images. Why doesn't someone start a separate thread inviting criticism of the photographs in this thread? That way those who wish to make their points about the structure filter or whatever can do so unhindered or uncensored and those who just wish to look at the images without judging them (unless it's only praise, a form of criticism that strangely seems to be completely acceptable on this thread) can continue to just look and enjoy.
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Old 09-23-2012   #129
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What are the JPEGs like out of the Monochrom?
I think the JPEGs out of the MM are very good - pretty much exactly what one would expect. But unlike the M9 - where, as you describe, Richard, oftentimes the M9 JPEG engine will produce an image very different from the DNG, and sometimes hard to replicate from that DNG; i.e. the M9 JPEG becomes an image that is worthwhile having on its own merits - I am finding the look of the MM JPEGs to be very easy to replicate from the DNG file. And always with more detail and strength. After three weeks of shooting JPEG "fine" images alongside DNG, and then examining them side-by-side in Lightroom, I've not used one. DNG all the way.

Unless shot in harsh or unusual light, most of my MM DNG images are flat out of the camera. Reminds me of when I first began processing well-exposed Tri-X in XTOL, when that developer came out, and I thought my negatives were thin. Just like I learned then, that thin can be good, it didn't take me thirty seconds in Lightroom to see that those "flat" MM images hold lots and lots of information.

For me PP on most MM shots is very simple: tweak the exposure slider, if needed; use the Clarity slider to give the image a bit of structure; bring up the blacks; and, sometimes, give it a little more contrast. Ten seconds and you're done. I'll pop into SEP if I want to explore an interesting image. And I'll drop into PS if I want to burn or dodge part of a scene. But, really, a few seconds in Lightroom is all you need to get a decent baseline.

I'll also note that the MM files are much more robust than can be seen on low-res internet JPEGs. I was struck by the hidden detail that emerged the first time I printed a 13x19" print. Even on a very good computer screen you don't see all that's there unless you zoom deep into the file.
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Thanks Jeff for those insights on your MM and my M9. I will indeed now stick with DNG and JPEG fine.
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Old 09-23-2012   #133
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Jeff,

That screams film. Loving the tones and exposure.
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Lovely work in the thread, photo-wise.

Less talk, more pictures, methinks.
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no doubt, i need to concentrate on doing more and better b&w...
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Old 09-23-2012   #136
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I didn't mention it, but I too really like your perspectives Kristian - very inspiring!

@Peter - the shot with the rushing by cab is strong.
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Old 09-24-2012   #137
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I didn't mention it, but I too really like your perspectives Kristian - very inspiring!

@Peter - the shot with the rushing by cab is strong.
Thanks Dirk!
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@Peter - the shot with the rushing by cab is strong.
+1

I agree. I especially like the way you captured the homeless person behind the blurred-out car, Peter.
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A few from Kol Nidre (first night of Yom Kippur) here in Tel-Aviv. Feel like I'm getting a grip on Lightroom - long time Aperture user.

All Leica MM, Noctilux 50mm f1.0, red filter, ISO 2500.









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A few from Kol Nidre (first night of Yom Kippur) here in Tel-Aviv. Feel like I'm getting a grip on Lightroom - long time Aperture user.

All Leica MM, Noctilux 50mm f1.0, red filter, ISO 2500.

More tomorrow...
Very nice. Interesting to me using a red filter at night. I like your results. My favorite subject is the girl in her bike. Looking forward to more in this thread.

Monochrom is tugging at my pocket.
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A few from Kol Nidre (first night of Yom Kippur) here in Tel-Aviv. Feel like I'm getting a grip on Lightroom - long time Aperture user.

All Leica MM, Noctilux 50mm f1.0, red filter, ISO 2500.


More tomorrow...
Love the feel to these, really really great! looking forward to seeing more.
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Aye, love the shot of the girl on the bike, with the training wheels. Very nice!
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What a beautiful metaphoric image. A garden of flowers and a "garden" of children balanced on the same page. Nicely done!
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Wonderful!
What a beautiful metaphoric image. A garden of flowers and a "garden" of children balanced on the same page. Nicely done!
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If I hadn't known who shot this and what camera was used, I would have guessed medium format (Hasselblad w/110/2 Planar) and T-Max 100.

The tones, smoothness of grain and apparent sharpness are stunning.

Kristian, what ISO rating and what lens?

Thanks for sharing this, Steve
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What the h***! I'll join the fray. Great work here. BTW: I always enjoy seeing Kristian's photos. Denver, Colorado, last week.











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Great Matt. Love #2 and #3 especially.
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Great Matt. Love #2 and #3 especially.
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Thanks to everyone for contributing! I love the way this sensor renders images.
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Wow, I can't even believe that I am posting in this thread.....I do not have a Leica Monochrom, nor do I have or really ever used any digital Leica before.......But I was fortunate enough to hang out with Kristian the other day and got to play around with his Monochrom for a couple of shots....

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Nice stuff Michael. I like the the first especially. Very sultry.

This outfit is like Mario Brothers meets The Lizard King in a Christmas Ornament factory
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Me thinks the Monochrom suits you, Michael...
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Thanks guys.....I want one of these cameras so bad.......it was so much fun to use...

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A couple from the Pike Place Market in Seattle. I couldn't stop myself from doing the 'crop'.





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I have to admit, when I first heard about Leica's plans to make this camera I thought the idea sounded crazy... This thread is changing my mind.
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i love the skin tones on all these images...and the clarity...this camera easily beats film and the digitals that i have seen prior...
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