Elmar-M 50mm 2.8 II
Old 04-09-2012   #1
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Elmar-M 50mm 2.8 II

I dont see too much mention about this little lens. I've just started to use one and I'm getting quite excited by the results in b&w. I'm comparing it to my summicron rigid, its a totaly modern look quite a contrast to the rigid.
Any elmar-m 50mm 2.8 II users wish to share there thoughts and experience?
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Old 04-09-2012   #2
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It's a lens I wouldn't be without, and my default lens for my M3. Do yourself a favour and try it with colour as well. There's something - I don't know, perhaps "delicate" - about it's colour rendering that I really like. (I like it pretty well with B&W too.)

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Old 04-09-2012   #3
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I have one for sale in the RFF classifieds. It's an ergonomic dream, but ultilmately decided to stick with my other 50mm lenses.
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Old 04-09-2012   #4
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thanks for your insight Mike. Indeed I am trying a roll of velvia 50 right now. Will be excited to see this delicate nature with colour.

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Old 04-14-2012   #5
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Got mine in December 2011 and haven't used it much yet. With spring and lighter & longer days I decided to bring it on a business trip to Scandinavia as my only lens. With 400 Iso in the camera, it provided adequate speed and the operation was excellent - I have yet to wait for the results to come back.

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Old 04-14-2012   #6
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That M2 is even more beautiful than my button rewind. I would like a silver one of these for the M9, where lens speed is a little less crucial, although it makes more sense on a more compact M body. I would have to check whether the collapsible 50 is safe for the M9. I know my collapsible 90 is not. I have used it, but it's like having bikes on the roof rack and owning a garage.....there's always the possibility of failure to over-ride the automatic pilot.
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Old 04-14-2012   #7
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im considering one sample...ive seen a lot of shots done with it and im very pleased, i ove collapsible lenses but also want a modern one, think this model would do.
Also there is a hexanon 50mm 2.4 but its chrome and really at least on pics isnt up to leica standard.
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Old 04-15-2012   #8
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That M2 is even more beautiful than my button rewind. I would like a silver one of these for the M9, where lens speed is a little less crucial, although it makes more sense on a more compact M body. I would have to check whether the collapsible 50 is safe for the M9. I know my collapsible 90 is not. I have used it, but it's like having bikes on the roof rack and owning a garage.....there's always the possibility of failure to over-ride the automatic pilot.
It's my most used lens, first on the M7, then on my new M9. There is absolutely no problem collapsing the lens on the M9, but there is a cautionary note to attach it in the extended state so as not to scratch the interior of the camera.

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Old 04-15-2012   #9
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Hi,

It's a lovely lens and almost glued to my old M2. I've not seen the need for f/2 since going through my exposure notes and realising I'd need 1/4000th second to use it.

Of course, if you were starting out with the old screw thread Elmar at f/3.5 then f/2.8 would be really fast...

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PS And I've just realised that the old advert's for the M2 in the early days featured a superb line drawing of the M2 with the collapsible Elmar on it. That shows just how much advert's affect us.
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I'm awfully tempted to pick one up for my m3 ds, but since I have a 50/2 hex, I just dont think I need it. Still want one though.
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I'm awfully tempted to pick one up for my m3 ds, but since I have a 50/2 hex, I just dont think I need it. Still want one though.
I have the 50mm Hex and could not resist the Elmar II. I had to have one Leica lens and the Elmar II fit the price requirement.
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I have the 50mm Hex and could not resist the Elmar II. I had to have one Leica lens and the Elmar II fit the price requirement.
How do you find that they compare? Any notable differences?

Thanks in advance.
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Old 04-15-2012   #13
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How do you find that they compare? Any notable differences?

Thanks in advance.
I have not done any side by side test of them. Would be interesting though since I have four 50mm lenses to test. I also never tested the Zeiss 35mm f2 Biogon that I sold against the Konica 35mm f2 Hex which I still own. Ignorance is bliss sometimes.
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Old 04-15-2012   #14
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I think I will stay ignorant and pass on the lens I found then. :P

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Really appreciate my Elmar-M; great lens that deserves more love.
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Old 04-15-2012   #16
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A wonderful lens, compact and sharp. I mainly shoot mine with b&w. It gets an occasional trip on the M8, when that camera's working. Not very fast, and I miss the focusing knob, thumb rest, whatever you call it.
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Old 04-16-2012   #17
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So much love, yet I can't sell one.
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Old 04-16-2012   #18
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See, I always thought that cameras with no (or little) high ISO penalty (NEX7, X1 Pro) would re-create the market for the medium-speed lenses. When you can shoot at ISO 1600 and get acceptable results, who cares if your maximum aperture is f:2.8? Or put another way, maybe f:4 is the new f:2.8. The 50/2.8 Elmar is such a stunning lens. Tiny, sharp . . . all those conversations about optical design compromise for f:1.4 lenses just don't apply with such force to an f:2.8 50mm lens. JSrocket, if I'm right in a year the prices of these medium-speed wonders will be through the roof!

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Old 04-26-2012   #19
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I'm torn on this lens; I love my 50 'cron, too, so it seems like overkill to have this AND the other. Still, haven't managed to bring myself to sell it yet...
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Old 04-13-2013   #20
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I just got this little lens, after restraining myself for some months or longer. I looked at all the arguments for and against: the Summicron being better, the hooded uncollapsed lens being just as long as the Summicron or longer, the collapsed hooded lens being little shorter than the Summicron, about the size of the faster Summarit etc etc. In the end the colour, the lower contrast and the bokeh won out as arguments, but the real clinchers were the return to the 1950s concept, and the pleasure of a mechanism, offering too the capacity to collapse the 50 small to fit it in the bag or somewhere else. I have been using mostly a 28 2.8 ASPH lately and after a few months with the large 35 C Biogon, returned to the V 4 Summicron 35, and small lenses just suit me for carrying every day. The wonderful tabbed Summicron with hood on is like a telephoto by comparison. Not selling it though.
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I'm awfully tempted to pick one up for my m3 ds, but since I have a 50/2 hex, I just dont think I need it. Still want one though.
Buy it and suddenly your M3 fits in a coat pocket.

I used to carry mine in my back pocket, back when I was young and my arse wasn't so fat.
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Old 04-14-2013   #22
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It has been a go to lens for years now for me. Also have the 90 4.0 macro which make a stunning combination.

They work well on both film and M8 & 9.
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(Well waddayaknow? Still fits. Take that, stupid Fashion with your stupid skinny jeans!)
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Old 04-14-2013   #24
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I have a question on the ergonomics: does the lens have any locking mechanism?

My cheapish copy's barrel rotates freely after being extended, which makes changing aperture quite annoying. Does it suppose to do this?

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I have a question on the ergonomics: does the lens have any locking mechanism?

My cheapish copy's barrel rotates freely after being extended, which makes changing aperture quite annoying. Does it suppose to do this?

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The Elmar version I does rotate. The more modern version II does not.
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Hi,

Simple answer; adjust the aperture then release the infinity lock and focus. That's what the lock is for...

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Old 04-18-2013   #27
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My apology if there's any misunderstanding: mine's the later modern version. Which has no infinity lock, of course.

My question is when fully extended, does it suppose to have some friction so you are not rotating the barrel while changing apertures? If so mine's may need service, as it has no resistance at all.
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Old 04-18-2013   #28
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What are the optical differences between versions I and II Elmar 50/2.8?
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Old 04-18-2013   #29
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I have the elmar-M and had a chance to buy the current 50mm summicron for a very good price. After using the 'cron for a while I sold it and kept the elmar.
The elmar-M is a beautiful lens, under-rated and now discontinued.
It is very sharp even a F2.8, and the images have a soul that I felt the 'cron lacked.
I also had the original elmar, which is a different animal in line with a summitar and the collapsible 'cron, both of which I have as well.
I never take a trip without my elmar-M.
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Old 04-18-2013   #30
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Yes it locks , clockwise from front of camera. Pull it out and turn. Turn back, push in for storage.

Version 1 barrel rotates as you focus, version 2 does not.

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Thanks Roland. Time to arrange it a trip to Don...
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What are the optical differences between versions I and II Elmar 50/2.8?
E. Puts compares the two in "Leica M Lenses - Their Soul and Secrets" (page 42)

http://en.leica-camera.com/assets/fi...=file_1750.pdf
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Old 04-20-2013   #33
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Sunday morning walk with this lens:




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Old 04-20-2013   #34
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The color rendition on the Elmar-M is excellent. I prefer it to the Summicron V. 3. For traveling it is very compact. I had a problem shooting quickly with it from the collapsed position. For summer/daylight southern latitudes it is excellent. F2.8 is fast enough. There were times that even with ISO film I had to push the shutter speed up.
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Old 05-08-2013   #35
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Just got this lens for a weekend and now waiting for some results. really nice and interesting ergonomics too..
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Old 05-08-2013   #36
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This lens is truly great. I only shoot B&W, and there it certainly shines. I think the main point about it, is the right type of contrast/sharpness/bokeh combination. There is also very little flare to speak about.
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201211419 by mfogiel, on Flickr


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Old 05-08-2013   #37
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After these shots I just have to keep this lens...
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