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View Poll Results: Which one is for you?
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L
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34 |
4.35% |
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T
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38 |
4.87% |
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R
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103 |
13.19% |
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R2
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54 |
6.91% |
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R2M (Jahre 250)
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11 |
1.41% |
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R2M
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38 |
4.87% |
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R2A
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93 |
11.91% |
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R3M (Jahre 250)
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34 |
4.35% |
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R3M
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67 |
8.58% |
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R3A
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127 |
16.26% |
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R4M
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89 |
11.40% |
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R4A
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93 |
11.91% |
11-13-2009
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#76
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baycrest is offline
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: New Territories, Hong Kong
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Just picked up the R3A and I can only compare it with my M6 in terms of functionality.
On technology, the R3A wins hands down as it does with its 1:1 viewfinder.
In terms of shutter release, I'll have to go with the slightly quieter M6 which to my non-scientific tests, appears to have less vibration when the shutter is actuated.
I'm looking forward to snapping some pictures this weekend...
Rob
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01-03-2010
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#77
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Dad Photographer
raid is offline
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Florida
Posts: 21,931
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My Bessa R is black. I got a side grip for it. I wish there was an M mount R too at a similar cost.
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01-04-2010
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#79
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Ubiquitous Fella
That Guy is offline
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Milwaukee, WI
Age: 38
Posts: 164
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Bessa L paired with the Skopar 25.
For me its about letting go and using a camera for what it was meant to do. To that end, it has never disappointed. I've taken it absolutely everywhere, the top of fourteener's, barren deserts, remote ocean coastlines, and even the odd trip to the backyard. I use it more than any other camera I own.
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01-04-2010
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#80
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f/1,4 is offline
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Halden, Norway
Posts: 63
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Bessa R2A for 35mm Summicron ASPH. R3A for 50mm Summilux or 50mm Summicron (or the occasional 90mm). R4A for 21mm Elmarit; - sometimes with a Leica viewfinder on top when a more accurate perspective is required in the viewfinder.
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01-05-2010
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#81
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I now live in Des Moines
DanOnRoute66 is offline
Join Date: Sep 2008
Posts: 329
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You don't have the R2C and R2S on the list, and the former is the only Bessa I have. It's a crackerjack, with a bright viewfinder and RF patch.
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01-06-2010
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#82
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Gadget Monger
Disaster_Area is offline
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Ottawa
Posts: 891
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I have an R3A and love it... but the 50 frame lines are hard to see without shifting my eye around the frame... and the 40 lines are pretty much useless... damn glasses. I'm thinking of trying to trade it for an R2A but I like the more accurate focusing of the R3A.
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01-06-2010
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#83
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paulpp is offline
Join Date: Jul 2009
Posts: 37
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R2A for me with 35mm lens. Had a R3A but fornd the framelines too difficult to see.
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01-13-2010
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#84
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jsrockit is offline
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: NYC
Age: 39
Posts: 11,942
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jonas Adolfsen
I would love a R4M. I just like that its mechanical and that it is for wide angle lenses...
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+1 ... a wideangle users dream!
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01-19-2010
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#85
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robur is offline
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Finis Terrae, Spain
Posts: 233
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I have a R3A and I like it a lot, but I´m thinking about selling it and buying a R4A because of the wide frame lines.
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01-21-2010
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#86
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jdvf is offline
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Cologne, Germany
Posts: 54
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R2C. Because of the nice focussing wheel...
Unfortunately R2C and R2S are not on the list. Therefore I voted for R4A. I like the idea of using 21mm w/o external viewfinder.
Greg
Last edited by jdvf : 01-21-2010 at 23:26.
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01-21-2010
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#87
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Sonnar2 is offline
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Germany
Age: 47
Posts: 1,414
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R because it's SCREWMOUNT.
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02-03-2010
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#88
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paulfish4570 is offline
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: On the Locust Fork of the Warrior River, Alabama
Age: 62
Posts: 16,120
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bought an r today, from an rff member. lens shopping now.
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02-03-2010
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#89
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Penceler is offline
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Baltimore, MD
Posts: 67
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R2A!
Great camera either stand alone or as a backup to my ZI. Reasonably priced & trouble free. Now if it only came in silver.....
John
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02-03-2010
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#90
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le vrai rdu is offline
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: paris
Age: 28
Posts: 1,346
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I have a R great little stuff
a friend bought the R4A, impressive, the 50 frame is ok to me, not too small, and when you look trough the finder, it hasn't a so much wild angle effect, I mean you see the 21 mm frame but it looks natural  quite strange
I hope I can afford a R4 soon 
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02-04-2010
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#91
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Gainsbourg is offline
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Osaka
Age: 31
Posts: 18
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Same for me, I want to trade my R3M for a R4 so I can have the 21mm framelines...
I'd like to shoot at 21 mm but I find annoying to use an external viewfinder
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02-11-2010
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#92
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Ferroequinologist
Al Patterson is offline
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Columbus GA USA
Age: 57
Posts: 2,548
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I picked R4M, but the R2M would likely also suit.
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02-12-2010
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#93
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Perceptol Addict
Ewoud is offline
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: H'lem Netherlands
Posts: 88
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I love my R3a, got it because I wanted it with a nokton 40mm. It just seemed like the perfect combo for me. The framelines are perfectly visible, but I can imagine it being less useable for someone with glasses.
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02-14-2010
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#94
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rxmd is offline
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Kyrgyzstan
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Had an R and sold it here to make way for an M5. Which is fine, but so was the R.
An R, or alternatively an R2A, would be the only rangefinder camera I'd currently be interested in.
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02-21-2010
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tedwhite is offline
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Bisbee, Arizona
Posts: 3,557
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Bessa R. Beautiful viewfinder, incredible meter, LTM, clacky shutter. Love it.
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02-21-2010
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#96
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literiter is offline
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Canadian Rockies
Age: 67
Posts: 1,110
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I bought a used Bessa L. It worked fine for a few rolls then I noticed the take up spool clutch was too loose and it had started to rip up film a bit when it jammed. I did not pay very much for the thing so to send it out would be a little foolish, I took it apart myself.
I do not know what the other Voigtlander.Cosina cameras are like, I've never held one, but seeing what is inside this piece of plastic crap I'm not likely to.
-The base is not metal, but very thin plastic held on with tiny self threading screws. Very bad.
-The escapement has at least two plastic gears. Very bad.
-The internal metal parts I've seen so far are stamped tin.
-The top is plastic.
-All the knobs are plastic.
-The shutter is metal but really crappy.
-The advance lever is stamped thin metal covered with a thin sheath of plastic.
-The camera back is all plastic.
-I think wherever plastic could be used it was used.
-Yes I fixed it!
-It ain't a Leica M
This thing is not meant for a serious photographer. I'm now skeptical about my 15mm Heliar lens.
I will not be buying the Bessa III 667 for my trip to Scotland until I'm satisfied it is far, far better built than this Bessa L which means I probably won't be getting one soon.
Sorry, for the rant.
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03-14-2010
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#97
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thegman is offline
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: London
Age: 33
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I read on CameraQuest that the regular brand new price for the Bessa L was $250, so I think one has to accept that you get what you pay for. If you want Leica quality, it's not going to be $250 brand new.
The Zeiss Ikon is also built by Cosina, and that's an all metal, very well put together camera, so I guess Cosina built the L to a price, just like all cameras are.
Having said that, I've got 2 CV lenses, both are very well made and don't give a bit of trouble.
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03-14-2010
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#98
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dmdctusa is offline
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Connecticut USA
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I originally got the Blue Bessa T 101st Anniversary set. I subsequently added a rapid winder and the 1:1 50mm viewfinder and another standard Bessa T body. The standard T with the the f3.5 Heliar is my standard kit. I don't find the separate RF/Viewfinder a problem; rather I the think the 1.5 mag. of the range finder helps make the best of the Heliar's shapness. The only combination that I think would suit me better would be a Leica IIIg body with the Heliar. I would like to have the quieter shutter of the Leica.
I have considered the new f2 Heliar but given comments about its slightly lower contrast wide open (not its sharpness) I decided I would not be happy with it enough to justify its cost.
Over the years I have had a couple of Leica M series with the Summicron and 50mm f/2.8 Elmar and the Heliar is more than equal to either of them.
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03-14-2010
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#99
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tedwhite is offline
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Bisbee, Arizona
Posts: 3,557
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I forgot to add that I also have the grip for my R, and that changes the camera in two ways:
1. It now hangs from the strap just like any other camera.
2. Grip makes the camera an easy one-hander.
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03-21-2010
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#100
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Steve M. is offline
Join Date: Jun 2009
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I had an R3A for quite a while and liked a lot of things about it. The noisy shutter that vibrated the whole camera, and the flaring viewfinder that made the shutter speeds impossible to see finally got to me and I sold it. Since then I've owned a few of the R's. They're neat cameras w/ accurate meters, but once again I got tired of their economy build and I sold them. To me the tragedy is that Cosina could have easily addressed the problems w/ these cameras and never did. That is sad. So, like a few others here, I went to a Leica and things are going a LOT better. Great cameras. So the R3A and R were for me, but I have since moved on.
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