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Old 04-06-2011   #1
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W/NW 28mm non street

I want to push myself and try something new. My favourite lens by far right now is 50mm. I find it hard to fill the frame with wider lenses. But I think I might try to force myself to shoot with a 28 for a while

So post your images shot with a 28mm equivilent lens and see if you can inspire me!(28mm shot on 4/3 won't give me much for inspiration sorry).

I'll start it off with one of the few images I've shot and like with a 28mm.

P.s. any composition tips for shooting WA would be cool to, but I think its just a matter of getting used to the different perspective.

Oh, P.P.s. i'm not a big street shooter, but I should almost everything else, so I'd prefer things that aren't typical street shots, but if you have a burning desire to share one than feel free!
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Old 04-06-2011   #2
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P.s. any composition tips for shooting WA would be cool to, but I think its just a matter of getting used to the different perspective.
Robert Capa must must have been thinking about 28mm lenses when he made his famous quote "if you photos are not good enough, you are not close enough". I almost always shoot with a 28mm lens (35mm film) because I want to be right up close with my subject.
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LOVE your Cuban Set Bob...Ttes Atmospheric ...Great Life shots

which 28 if I may ask ...???
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Bob, your photos rock !

I love 28mm. Here is a repost of a mixture of subjects I used it for over last 5 years or so.















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LOVE your Cuban Set Bob...Ttes Atmospheric ...Great Life shots

which 28 if I may ask ...???
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Thanks. I really enjoy photographing the people there. At various times I have used: CV 28mm f.35, 28mm 2.8 Hexanon & Zeiss 28mm f2.8. I could be very happy with any one of them.
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Bob, I also love your Cuba photos! Thanks for posting, and for the Robert Capa quote! How about a landscape, up close.... shot w/ a Skopar 28:

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WOW ... the 28 Perspective is BIG...in your Face
thats the way I LOVE to shoot
and primarily have used 50's
but I am Now Understanding the 28 FOV
You need to Go IN CLOSE

I like what I 'See' and want to try the 28
maybe I am soon to be a 28 & 90 Girl...

Thinkin about a 28 ASPH Elmarit...
Helen: I find the benefits of the 28mm photographing people is not the perspective but the ability to be right there with them. You have to be one of those who communicates continually with subjects. Not verbally, as my Spanish language skills are embarrassingly bad, but by body language. I need to connect with the subject and convey that I am safe, confident, and most importantly, am pleased with their reaction. That is when the photos I want begin to evolve. Being right there next to them is the only way I can do that. I just cannot connect standing 8-10' away.
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"Close" is relative, of course, to the size of your subject.



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[quote=Bingley;9]"Close" is relative, of course, to the size of your subject.,Quote)

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and Architecture. All shot with the 28mm ZM Biogon on a Leica, except the last one, which was shot with an AF-D Nikkor 28mm f2.8 on a digital camera I no longer have, the Kodak 14n
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Great shots so far everyone!
Just out of curiosity does anyone naturally "see" in the 28mm framing when they're shooting? Kind of an akward question I know, but when I'm shooting right now and I see something I want to shoot, I take a few steps to explore different angles of it, and than when I put the camera to my eye the subject is essentially framed the way I want it without thinking or taking steps forward or backwards (most of the time, I'm obviously not perfect in this regard). This is probably easier because 50mm is pretty close to our natural FOV, but does anyone do this with 28's or is it a longer slower composition process?
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Great shots so far everyone!
Just out of curiosity does anyone naturally "see" in the 28mm framing when they're shooting? Kind of an akward question I know, but when I'm shooting right now and I see something I want to shoot, I take a few steps to explore different angles of it, and than when I put the camera to my eye the subject is essentially framed the way I want it without thinking or taking steps forward or backwards (most of the time, I'm obviously not perfect in this regard). This is probably easier because 50mm is pretty close to our natural FOV, but does anyone do this with 28's or is it a longer slower composition process?
I "see" 28mm framing in my mind. I don't think it is a function of the eye but of the brain.
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I'm one of those for whom 28 is a pretty natural FOV. Been shooting with the 35 more lately, but usually have a 28 in the bag.
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Great shots so far everyone!
Just out of curiosity does anyone naturally "see" in the 28mm framing when they're shooting? Kind of an akward question I know, but when I'm shooting right now and I see something I want to shoot, I take a few steps to explore different angles of it, and than when I put the camera to my eye the subject is essentially framed the way I want it without thinking or taking steps forward or backwards (most of the time, I'm obviously not perfect in this regard). This is probably easier because 50mm is pretty close to our natural FOV, but does anyone do this with 28's or is it a longer slower composition process?
I look at it like this, Chris: 50mm is the FOV for one eye (other eye closed). 28mm is for both eyes. Works for me.
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28mm and it's "non street"
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These were all taken with the ZM C Biogon 21/4.5, which is an effect 28 FOV.

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These were all taken with the ZM C Biogon 21/4.5, which is an effect 28 FOV.
OMG - How on earth did you get these shots to not exhibit harsh highlights or shadows? I really would like to know.
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With the camera set on A and exp comp of -2/3 to -1, I first pan the entire frame to see what kind of stop range is involved, then usually choose an f-stop in the middle, higher or lower depending on what I want to emphasize. Then I play with Kelvin settings, curves, RGB levels, color, saturation and hue in post to create the atmosphere that I remember from the moment. Pretty standard stuff, I suppose.

I can't wait to get back the rolls of RVP 50 I shot at the same time.
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I discovered the 28 FL about two years ago, and like it very much...
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here's my 28mm "non-street" shot...(i guess both on closest distance, 0.7m)






and here's on the street market.. my fist 28mm lens, we do need to get closer but with f/11 i can get really get fast snap shot



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With the camera set on A and exp comp of -2/3 to -1, I first pan the entire frame to see what kind of stop range is involved, then usually choose an f-stop in the middle, higher or lower depending on what I want to emphasize. Then I play with Kelvin settings, curves, RGB levels, color, saturation and hue in post to create the atmosphere that I remember from the moment. Pretty standard stuff, I suppose.

I can't wait to get back the rolls of RVP 50 I shot at the same time.
Right, but still, some of the scenes are bound to go beyond the range of the sensor and/or monitor, and the highlights and shadows seem to be pretty well reigned-in. So you don't do any highlight/shadow salvaging at all?

I guess exposure with the kind of meter found in the M8 (and all metered Leica Ms) will be better metered (all things considered) with a wide-angle lens than with a longer focal length. But since the M8 has the latitude (and temperament) of slide film, and given that it sounds like you have disciplined yourself to expose with slide film, I can see how this is more straight-forward to you.

I usually don't have time to meter the scene and reflect; I have to make some pretty quick decisions. This is a reminder (to me) that skills learned in one kind of photography can be very useful for other kinds.

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So you don't do any highlight/shadow salvaging at all?
Well yes, I suppose I do, but I don't access it through the shadow/highlight sliders. I getter better overall results by using a combination of curves and especially the relative lightness slider applied to specific colors that can be accessed through Capture One Six's color editor. Since I don't use the M8 for black and white, I haven't yet thought of what I'd do in that case.

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I guess exposure with the kind of meter found in the M8 (and all metered Leica Ms) will be better metered (all things considered) with a wide-angle lens than with a longer focal length.
Not exactly. Have to be careful with WA on the M8, because the meter is metering for everything the lens sees, including that part outside of the crop. Even on the R4A, metering with a super wide can be tricky.

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I usually don't have time to meter the scene and reflect; I have to make some pretty quick decisions. This is a reminder (to me) that skills learned in one kind of photography can be very useful for other kinds.
Negative print film gives you extra latitude for quick decisions. Digital (except on the RD-1, M8, and M9) makes bracketing a cinch. Acquired skill that becomes second nature on the other hand is probably the name of the game for really successful photography, and I admire people who cultivate it!
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different lenses, but all at 28mm
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different lenses, but all at 28mm

Different lenses, bodies, formats and media, all mixed up to emphasize the fact: all are 28mm focal lenght, or equivalent.

And no "street", no post processing.

I really like this FOV and you can do alot walking in or stepping back.

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ferider, loved that little series, the motocycle shot looks dangeroussss! and bob michaels, what else can i say that others havent about your cuba shots, they are gorgeous!
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