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Old 12-21-2012   #81
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I think I get your point, but it seems you're exaggerating the # of these controls you have to use to take a normal photo w/the F. Also, any similar level Nikon dSLR will have almost all of them (sadly no changing of prisms anymore) *plus* the buttons & menus relating to autoexposure & autofocus (which are not related to digital) & the digital-related menu items (file quality, etc.), which greatly outnumber all the controls connected w/film loading & unloading. So I would agree w/you that the difference is not about film v. digital, but rather modern electronics v. older mechanical systems. Electronics allowed camera makers to squeeze in a lot more features, but at the cost of greater complexity in the controls & reliance on menus. Also, in my experience there is greater diversity between operating systems on modern cameras than there was between the old classics (even including weird systems like the Prominent, Contarex, & Ektra).

Yes you can set most modern cameras to work like older, less-automated cameras, but it's not necessarily a simple process. It took me several hours, really an entire night, of reading the manual & setting the menus on my 1st dSLR, a D700, to get it to function like an F3 w/autofocus. Of course, had I been keeping up w/pro Nikon bodies over the last 15 years, the transition would have gone more smoothly. My X-Pro1 was less complicated, but still took an hour or so total to understand the qurks & get it to work like a G2 (also the manual is written even more poorly than the D700). The M8 & M9 were comparatively easy to figure out, but their electronic feature set is as primitive as the cameras themselves. Bottom line for me is the more the camera does, the more complicated the controls & the bigger the manual.

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Don't know what you're trying to say. Only three controls? On what camera? Even on my plain prism Nikon F I have:

Back release
Take up spool
Film advance lever
Lens mount catch/release
Shutter time selector
Flash synchronization selector
Self timer
Self timer release
Focusing ring
Aperture selector
Depth of field scale
Focus indicator
Focus scale
Prism release catch
Focusing screen
Film rewind clutch release
Film length reminder
Rewind knob
Folding rewind crank
Depth of field preview button
Mirror lock up latch control

To use the full capabilities of a Nikon F, you have to understand and use about 3/4 of those controls virtually every time you pick it up to make some photographs. And that is a relatively simple film camera ..there's only a couple of things there that are not also on my Rolei 35S. Or Leica M.

Film cameras seem simpler because every photographer who worked with film seriously learned all these controls and operated most of them without thinking about them much. The controls on digital cameras are similar in most ways, different in others. There's the added complexity of a complete image processing lab in every digital camera ... But for the most part you can ignore it, much the same way you normally ignore the flash sync setting and mirror lock up control on the old F once they're set for use.

On a digital camera you have to remember to turn it on, and maintain the battery every few hundred frames, and change the storage card when it's full.

On the old F, you have to rewind and reload film every 36 frames, set exposure when needed, wind on to the next frame as needed, etc.

Each camera takes up as much of your consciousness and attention to use as you allow it to. :-)
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I hope you enjoyed your visit to our city!

To answer your question, I routinely shoot w/both film & digital while on vacation just like I do at home, & concur w/others that each medium has its complications, i.e., it's a wash.

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This was meant for the members, since it goes beyond digital vs. Film. I use both. It is a small dilemma that many member could go through when planning for a trip. How do you balance between several factors.

If it fits better in another forum, then I have no problems with that.
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Old 12-21-2012   #83
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KISS - travelling I take my X100, a couple of SD cards, one spare battery and charger. Everything in one small camera bag.

No sensor dust, no X-ray worries, no film to carry and/or find.

I save my F2 and Retina IIIC for closer to home.
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Old 12-21-2012   #84
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This is over the top, I know, but as a pedantic exercise ... ;-)

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I think I get your point, but it seems you're exaggerating the # of these controls you have to use to take a normal photo w/the F.
Let's think about that ...

Need to load film:
Back release
Take up spool
Film advance lever
Need to set exposure:
Shutter time selector
Aperture selector
Need to focus and/or set the focus:
Focusing ring
Depth of field scale
Focus indicator
Focus scale
Need to make the exposure and wind on to the next frame:
Shutter release button
Film advance lever
Need to rewind the film and take the film out of the camera at the end of the roll:
Film rewind clutch release
Rewind knob
Folding rewind crank
Take a photo of yourself with your family using the self-timer:
Self timer
Self timer release
Assuming you have set up flash sync, pre-installed the appropriate focusing screen, have the lens you want to use on the camera, don't need to preview the depth of field, don't need to lock up the mirror, and don't care to set the film length reminder, you can ignore these:
Lens mount catch/release
Flash synchronization selector
Prism release catch
Focusing screen
Film length reminder
Depth of field preview button
Mirror lock up latch control
That's 16 out of 23 controls that one likely needs to use every time you use the Nikon F camera. Okay, slightly less than three quarters of the total number of controls ... =8^)

My Ricoh GXR-M has a bazillion more features, buttons, menu options, controls, etc than the Nikon F. Took me a little while to learn them and set up the configuration to my liking. Now, every time I use the camera, I have to:
- turn it on
- set the focus (manual focus with an M-bayonet lens)
- set the aperture (auto ISO and aperture priority default config)
- adjust ev compensation if required
- release the shutter
... repeat for as many photos as I want to make
- open the card door
- remove the storage card to upload the exposures to my computer
- replace the storage card and lock the door.
That's using the
on/off switch
focusing ring (scales, indicator, etc)
aperture ring
EV compensation +/- switch
card door latch
card locking mechanism
So I use six or seven controls on the GXR rather than sixteen on the F, on a regular basis.

Only camera I've owned that has only three controls beyond a fixed-focus disposable is something like my Polaroid SX-70 ... load film, adjust focus, adjust bright or dark control, press shutter release. Simplicity itself! What to carry on a trip? Camera, stack of film packs — done.

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KISS - travelling I take my X100, a couple of SD cards, one spare battery and charger. Everything in one small camera bag.

No sensor dust, no X-ray worries, no film to carry and/or find.

I save my F2 and Retina IIIC for closer to home.
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I couldn't agree more, except for me it is the IIIc, two lenses and 10 rolls of ISO 400 135/36 film. Everything goes in my fanny pack. When I get a few rolls built up I send it to North Coast Photo and a lot of times the negatives and pictures are waiting for me in my mailbox when I get home.

The very first time I did this I was nervous as a cat. I had read so many horror stories on the internet about carrying film. Now it is literally no drama at all for me.

In the beginning I packed a lot of film. But there is one little thing I have noticed as I get more accustomed to doing this. When I am walking around with a digital camera I see memory cards at the stores. When I have my film camera I see film at the stores. A lot of times it isn't the same store but its' still there. Now I don't feel the need to carry a lot of film unless it is something exotic I may not find.
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Then I learned about the need to have a laptop and external drive for back-up, plus several memory cards. I also learned that dust spots may require the cleaning of the sensor, done preferably in a dustless room.
I wonder where you learned that. Whenever I go on longer trips not to do with my job, I never take a laptop or drive with me. Just a handful of cards will do nicely. And dust...not a problem...bring a rocket blower and use it. That's about it. This said, on longer trips, I like to bring 35mm cameras and film... the only compromise/investment I've had to make: to buy one of these ThinkTank roller bags and cram it with cameras, lenses and film...with a walk-around bag in one of the suitcases. No problem. Enjoy your travels and looking forward to the results. Best, Peter
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It depends on what and how do you shoot...since now I've traveled with two film cameras, color and B&W. This year I chose Pentax P&S as my color camera and returned happy, with pictures and without worrying about chargers etc. Now I realize several charged batteries are similar to several rolls of film....both routes have strengths and weaknesses.


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I was in a similar discussion with a couple of friends a few days ago...planning an overseas trip of 3/4 weeks. With film I need 1/2 rolls a day, let say 30-40 rolls. But maybe I desire to shoot outdoor and indoor, it means two different iso film. Or maybe three if you plan to shoot in low light, for example a jazz club. When traveling I only shoot B&W or color, never mixing the two, easier. Of course all in your cabin luggage, with camera and lenses and ...hmmm, some companies allow only one cabin luggage, cameras, lenses, other parafernalia....hmmm easier to go digital....camera(s), cards, laptop, external hard disk for backup, cables, charger for cameras batteries (and with two cameras if they are different two chargers of course), charger for the laptop, charger for the mobile phone (well, it is necessary with film as well) hmmm so many things...
My conclusion? it's a complicated world in any case.
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I'm going to Tijuana Sunday, back on Wednesday:

In my camera bag:
- Leica M9 with two fresh batteries, 32G card, Nokton 50/1.5
- iPad mini, charger, camera connection kit
- iPhone

Enough to make 1600 exposures. 3 lbs.

That's it. ;-)

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I usually take about 20-30 rolls when I travel. I'm finding I can have twice the shots with my Olympus half frame so I can stick close to 20 now.
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Been traveling solely with digital cameras for years now and find them no more or less convenient than film cameras. Digital takes up no more room in my bag than film did either. I never travel with a laptop or separate backup device and just take a few extra CF cards. Never had a bum CF card but have had labs ruin entire rolls of film from a trip. A spare battery takes up little room in a bag and I rarely need it. At the end of the day I insert the spare and charge the old one while I go to dinner. hen I get back I have my fully charged spare for the next day. Back at home my PC will download an 8 gig CF card in a few minutes so no biggie there and neither is copying them to a separate hard drive. You can make anything as complicated or simple as you want. I see no reason to complicate things.

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...You can make anything as complicated or simple as you want...
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I agree, a good thinking...
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Many years ago a colleague of mine arranged a trip of a lifetime touring the US. He took an SLR with several cassettes of film which he used throughout the 3 week trip. On his return he had the films developed and not one came out, the SLR body had let him down. I think his son's P&S did provide some shots.

One of the many benefits of digital is that you can tell whether a shot has come out or not. On a trip I would certainly use a different SD card each day just in case the camera got stolen.
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Godfrey, technically you are right, but the point of what others have been saying is that you don't have to go menu-diving for any of those controls. After reading the (very thin and simple) instruction book and with a little practice, all of the controls on the older manual cameras become second nature. A man named Kenneth Tydings wrote after-market instruction books for many cameras in the '50s and '60s. He broke the operation of a camera down to four simple steps that he called "SAFE."

1. Shutter
2. Aperture
3. Focus
4. Expose

It really is that simple, but you can make it more complex if that's what you like.

If you prefer complex, by all means get an OM-D. I love mine (most of the time), but setting it up is an exercise in menu-diving in which you may well drown if you aren't very careful.
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I guess you haven't done much shooting with a 1950s classic folder? Or a late model Nikon F100, for that matter...

They've got almost as many things to do for each exposure as the most complex digital camera. IMO.
I use a Super Ikonta III, it's very simple to use. I have never used one before, but I'd worked out how to use it in a few minutes. Compared to my old Lumix G1, or Nikon D7000 it is an exercise in simplicity. Sure you have to load a film, wind it on, all that stuff, but if you've used a film camera before, it's all second nature.

I think the difference is that classic film camera do not add unnecessary stuff to confuse matters, whereas cameras like the Lumix G1 seemed *only* be unnecessary features, and obfuscated the basic ones.

The last few cameras I bought did not come with manuals, and they don't need them once you've mastered a few things. It's like a bicycle, once you get the basics, you don't need to be taught anything.
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I like using my M8 and M9 when I am close to home. I was planning to take with me the SWC with its fixed 38mm lens, plus the M9 with a 35mm or 50mm lens.

Then I learned about the need to have a laptop and external drive for back-up, plus several memory cards. I also learned that dust spots may require the cleaning of the sensor, done preferably in a dustless room.

This all sounds rather complicated for overseas travel with a wife and two kids. I am now in Washington DC, and my only camera is a Tower 35 with a 50/2 Nikkor and a CV meter II. It is such a pleasure to take photos with this camera.

It may be more enjoyful to use an old Barnack for the old streets is Tuscany. I could leave behind the laptop and drive and cards and charger and batteries.

I would then carry film with me.
What do you think?
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I recently travelled with my Hasselblad 503CX + Planar and Hasselblad XPAN + 4/45. Of course, my hand carry was full of 120 and 135 film.

Unfortunately my 503CX jammed in day 2 of the trip. I don't have a 120 backup camera.

I was forced to use my XPAN for the rest of the entire trip. Troublesome at times to switch between colour and b&w film. Night time had me pushing tri-x to 1600 due to slow lens. I am also forced to finish up the roll in my camera at the end of the day.

For casual snaps, I used my iPhone. At times, I wished I had brought along my 5D + several memory cards and a charger.

Lesson learnt: always have a back-up camera

Nonetheless, everyday I just head back to the hotel and labelled my exposed film cartridges and pack them in a zip-lock bag. No fiddling with laptops late in the night to backup photos or edit photos.

BUT... I now have a backlog of negatives to develop after the trip!!
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i take 2 Ms, about 50 rolls, 4 lenses, and a digital p&s. film is a joy to use, there are surprises alone the way.
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I had an F100, but I found AF cameras don't MF as well as MF cameras. Surprised also, to find I didn't much like most of the Nikon lenses I had as much as some others. So that went. The thing is, even if you don't change or look at the menu options, you always know you can, it occupies your mind. And the chimping, always with the chimping. I'm thinking of Raid's daughters and wife talking to him about what they're all doing and seeing and him distracted about a blown sky, or thinking how he might be able to take another angle on the fountain down the block because he didn't get what he wanted on the back of the camera. Mind occupied by the device, being somewhere else.
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Film sounds good. I recommend taking everything as a carry on so as no problems with fogging film.

However, when I had to take digital stuff I don't backup any cards until I return. So no laptop for me! If I was really worried I have a camera with 2 slots for cards and can get a backup immediately. But it's a large camera so I usually don't bring it on a trip. Haven't had any issues yet.

Sounds like a nice trip.
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Since I saw the photos on the web of a motocyclist touring all over the world with his Pentax 67, I have fantasized a lot about MF for travel.

A close option for me to get into MF is one of the Fuji 6x9 RF's, seemingly huge but otherwise not that of a big deal. 8 shots a roll... You'd say, 645 or 6x6, but if you go big, why not go BIG? 6x6 as minimum, 6x7 up to the quasi-LF 6x9.

With 35mm travel ought to be easier but with MF... More bulk for less frames (albeit much more care put into them).

Digital has the advantage of copying, compact size if taken care of (kit + batt+ charger + cards); But for travel the deal for me is APS down to compact (settling on m43).

So above is my fantasized travel kit for a south east asia tour . I also have the feeling of not wanting to get "overlapping formats", explained as, MF does the big serious stuff and digital takes care for the snapshots.

As of Xray, last trip I did, had 7 scans and no problems at all. Singapore Changi X ray machines have a big blue "Film safe" sticker on them; nice to see.

With film I'd have the concern of the load of film to bring and if the unexposed stock is low, resupplying myself! I am a low volume shooter, so unlikely to happen but If you're in the middle of somewhere with no camera stores... Where perhaps you can only get 2 years expired 35mm kodak gold, and 120 film is something alien.
In a long trip (month +) I'd probably bring most I'd need and try to order a load to be delivered on site, about 2 weeks before maybe.

The thread has mainly talked about 35mm in travel, but what about MF and bigger formats?
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I use a Super Ikonta III, it's very simple to use. I have never used one before, but I'd worked out how to use it in a few minutes. Compared to my old Lumix G1, or Nikon D7000 it is an exercise in simplicity. Sure you have to load a film, wind it on, all that stuff, but if you've used a film camera before, it's all second nature.

I think the difference is that classic film camera do not add unnecessary stuff to confuse matters, whereas cameras like the Lumix G1 seemed *only* be unnecessary features, and obfuscated the basic ones.
I can relate to this. I own the G1 and when in a hurry I'm constantly forgetting to set image size, resolution and WB., let alone making sure battery's are full. My last night shoot I even used a flash (stupidly I might add) with WB set on tungsten and, well, now I'm Photoshop'ing a bunch of pictures; And O the joy of Raw files.
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I guess it wouldn’t be inappropriate to insert a few of my own experiences in traveling with film and digital cameras.

In the ’80s and 90s, I traveled on assignment to 27 countries on five continents doing documentary/PJ photography for various mission and humanitarian agencies. I carried two or three Olympus OM bodies and a half-dozen lenses. An OM2n body was my workhorse, although I mostly used it in manual mode. Most exposure readings were made with a Minolta Flashmeter III.

I traveled with about 150 rolls of film, the majority of which was the original Fujichrome RDP at ASA 100. For low light indoors, I carried some of the old 3M Scotchchrome 640T. It could be pushed to ASA 1280 (when I start talking about digital, I’ll start talking about ISO) and produced some very interesting colors plus lots of grain. But when speed was needed, there was nothing else.

I only had my film X-rayed one time, although I came very close in Germany on one occasion, and also once in Spain. Returning from three weeks in Western Europe in 1990, during which we documented the work of Church of God World Missions in six or seven countries, I approached the gate at London’s Heathrow Airport carrying about 125 rolls of exposed film. The guard insisted that the film be X-rayed. This was shortly after Flight 290 (I think) was brought down by a bomb, and when I protested, the guard simply said, “If I don’t X-ray your film, you don’t fly.” So that was that, and ultimately, no harm was done.

I made the move to digital in 2003, but didn’t go abroad again until 2005, when we went to Italy and Switzerland. I took two Canon 20D bodies, the underrated 24-85 f3.5-4.5 and the 70-300 f4-5.6. I owned L lenses in those ranges, but chose to save weight. The Sigma 14mm I took along for wide-angle shots (22mm equivalent) more than made up the weight difference. The real killer, though, was the 17-inch laptop we carried. Never again!

The most recent trip abroad was to Israel and Jordan in 2010, when I packed a 5D, 17-35 f2.8L, the 50mm macro, and 70-200 f4L. We also took a 20D and the 24-85, which my wife mostly used. One of the places we visited was Petra, Jordan, the amazing city carved into sandstone cliffs by an ancient people.

Trudging up a hill toward some impressive temples on an oppressively hot afternoon, cursing my increasingly heavy camera bag with every step, I chanced to meet a man who was carrying nothing but an Olympus Pen E-P2 with the 14-42mm kit zoom and the VF-2 viewfinder. We talked for a few minutes, and since I had been reading about Pen digital micro 4/3s cameras, I asked if I could hold his camera.

"Wow!" I thought to myself as the light and lovely little gem nestled in my palm, "What am I doing carrying all this weight?"

I soon bought an E-PL1, added some lenses and an OM-D, and plan to get another OM-D before our next trip, which will be a mission trip to El Salvador next June.

So what have I learned?

1. I don’t want to carry any more weight than absolutely necessary to get the picture quality I want.
2. Digital is much more flexible than film.
3. SD cards are a lot lighter and a lot less trouble than film.
4. If you must carry a computer, make it the smallest and lightest possible. The only reason I might take one to El Salvador would be to back up my SD cards to high-capacity flash drives. There may be a better way to do this – I will have to check.
5. Regardless of anything said on this thread, the best camera to take is the one that gives you the most satisfaction with the total experience. And no one else can make that decision for you.
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Thanks, PKR. Maybe a little more than I want to spend, but looks very good. Maybe the price will come down before June!
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Old 12-22-2012   #104
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I traveled recently for eight weeks in Europe and took along the OM-D, an assortment of lenses and four batteries. It all fit in a small Domke shoulder bag. I had the choice of using film and other digital cameras. On occasion I just took the camera and put a couple of additional lenses in my coat pockets. I returned to the US very satisfied with the performance of the little OM-D. I did not miss either my ff digital nor my Leica MP. Wherever I went my camera went with me and was not a distraction nor was I tired at the end of the day because of heavy and or excessive equipment.
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I find it a much better medium for travelling with, I've got 150 rolls with me in a roll top dry bag to accompany me on my 5 months of travelling . its great being able to chuck the finished rolls in the bag and not have yo worry about hard disk space etc. Not to mention getting away from being consumed by workflow and editing while away.
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Also batteries is a big part of it. My metre and flash run of double A's so that's real easy when coupled with a m2.
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I may be eating my words...just realised that checking film is a big no no. both exposed and non exposed all at 400 Iso have been through 4 flights all checked. Incredibly stupid of me. Getting a couple developed tomorrow, fingers crossed.

Any input from others on my chances of not having just wasted £300?
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From what I understand (and I may be mistaken) the type of x-ray machines used for carry-on luggage are not the same as the ones used for checked luggage.

The former are relatively benign, the latter (if used) can be quite destructive on film.

I took a bunch of film to Europe in 2010 on a family holiday, and all of it was scanned for carry-on, and I had no problems at all.

But I was careful not to check my film with my luggage for stowage in the cargo hold.

In some airports they zap your luggage (along with 1000's of others on a daily basis) using a much more powerful x-ray machine. It is difficult to know which airports do this.

There was an informative link about this, but goodness knows if I can find it now. A quick search should help you.

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Regarding the original post, I'd say there's no quick answer. As in many things pertaining to photography (and art in general) the best answer is: it depends.

When I went to Europe in 2010, I took a film body (a Bessa R3A) and a digital body (a Canon 5DmkII). It was more fun to use the Bessa, because I wasn't constantly "chimping". It also was (of course) much lighter and smaller.

But the Canon dSLR gave me predictable, instantaneous, high-quality results. I didn't appreciate the bulk of the body or the lenses, and inevitably I'd have a sore neck and shoulders by the end of the day.

In retrospect I think I used both cameras about equally, and enjoyed using each system on its own merits.

This shot was taken in Tuscany with my Bessa R3A and a roll of Velvia 100. Not bad, I think.

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Great shot, bobby!

Hi Luis: fingers crossed. I did that once with Tri-X with only slight fogging of one roll: I just got lucky as I've seen images of real disasters posted around the web.

Not doing that again would be a real good idea.
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I may be eating my words...just realised that checking film is a big no no. both exposed and non exposed all at 400 Iso have been through 4 flights all checked. Incredibly stupid of me. Getting a couple developed tomorrow, fingers crossed.

Any input from others on my chances of not having just wasted £300?
I have taken unexposed film (400 or less) through x-rays at airports multiple times with no ill effects. The important point is to keep your film in your carry-on luggage, b/c the x-rays used at airport security checkpoints are less powerful than the ones used to scan checked luggage. If you leave your film in your checked lugged AND it's scanned, it will very likely be ruined. I had quite a scare on a flight from Stockholm to Oslo in 2011, when I left my film in my checked bag. Fortunately, the luggage was not scanned and the film turned out fine (I had a roll developed in Oslo to check).

Edit: If the film was in your checked luggage, it may still be OK if the bag was not actually scanned. Airports do not scan every checked bag. If the film looks foggy when you develop it, you'll know it got x-rayed. Good luck!
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...When I went to Europe in 2010, I took a film body (a Bessa R3A) and a digital body (a Canon 5DmkII). It was more fun to use the Bessa, because I wasn't constantly "chimping". It also was (of course) much lighter and smaller...
A really nice sunset shot!

Is chimping really that necessary? Being relatively new to digital cameras, I'm not used to peering at a screen on the back before, during, or after the exposure; just not part of the process. I have picture review turned off, and just use the screen for settings changes.

Later on though, at the end of the day, I'll use the screen to look over the day's shots. Assured all looks ok, I put the SD card in the slot on my laptop and copy the image folder over, renaming the folder for the day. That folder gets backed up immediately to another device. The card then goes back in the camera and is formatted. The battery goes on the charger overnight to be ready for another day's shooting.

While out shooting I do carry a spare SD card and battery... but have not needed them. This is convenient enough that I don't take film cameras on trips any more. I'll have the laptop with me anyway to retain interaction with y'all on RFF!
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Beautiful sunset, I much prefer film for all the usual reasons.

Looks like I might have gotten away with it, but I'll need to get my hands on the negs before I can be sure.

Thanks for the help.
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not good, given that the D700 is weather proof, to a degree!
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In Nov/Dec 2011, my wife and I did a tour of Sri Lanka. I had a film SLR (Leica R3 Mot) and my Ricoh GR1s. She had my Nikon D700. My kit (including 28mm, 50mm and 90mm Leica-R lenses) + 20 rolls of film fitted comfortably into a moderate sized camera bag. The D700 + 24-120 and 70-300 zooms + cards, cables, etc. needed more space.

I couldn't take the same volume of photos as my wife (but then I'm a sniper and she's a machine gunner) but I could change a roll of film in less than a minute, if required. She had the advantage of being able to see + delete any poor shots.

It poured down. Neither my Leica nor my Ricch blinked. a wipe don with a towel and dry off in sunlight to avoid fungus and the kit was pristine. The D700 worked flawlessly but some water got behind the viewing screen. It continued to work (and works still) but I was not comfortable with electronics being inundated with rainwater.

In all honesty, and in my opinion, there's not much to choose between film and digital in modern / developed countries. If I were travelling by foot / bus / train and/or travelling in remote, under-developed areas, I wouldn't go near digital as you are too reliant on charging batteries where there may not be a reliable supply, if there's one at all.
I agree that traveling into remote areas might be an issue (admittedly I've never done it), but isn't the R3 also an electronically controlled camera, with only one mechanical shutter speed? I'd think you'd be just as susceptible to electronic issues with that camera, wouldn't you? Following that line of thinking, you'd probably want to go with a totally mechanical camera that would not be battery dependent at all.

The D700 is a great camera, and I've used it in every kind of weather you can imagine. Definitely a recommended camera, and it's good to know that yours is still okay.
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I agree that traveling into remote areas might be an issue (admittedly I've never done it), but isn't the R3 also an electronically controlled camera, with only one mechanical shutter speed? I'd think you'd be just as susceptible to electronic issues with that camera, wouldn't you? Following that line of thinking, you'd probably want to go with a totally mechanical camera that would not be battery dependent at all.
I haven't used extensively any electronic film camera but I guess the issue here is that digital cameras eat batteries much faster than the film equivalents.

As of digital, I have a Panasonic P&S and an EPL2. The battery has a shorter duration on the EPL, and I don't think it would last a whole day of use.
Electronic film cameras might work weeks or months with a single battery. My OM-1 battery (for the meter) lasted 4 years.
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That´s what happend when I wend in 2004 to London!
They scaned my camera bag @ Munich airpot - I asked them if I may take out the film and the camera body with film in, but it was forbidden and said it wouldn´t harm my film in any way!
Is there a save way to get film arround x-ray or an x-ray safe bag which can be carried on the body or in the camera bag?

The best story happend to me 2 years ago in London Stenstad when income custom opend my cam and pulled the film out - then saying you can rewind it and use it again!!!!
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In my own experience, I find traveling with digital to be so much less complicated. Nothing says you have to do your downloading, post-processing, etc. while on the trip. With a few tiny memory cards, you have the capacity to store far more images than you could on 100 rolls of film.
A digital camera with a few batteries, memory cards and a charger will take up less space than a film camera and the huge bag of film you will have to carry.
If you want to include a laptop, etc. in your digital kit, that's up to you. But it's hardly a necessity.
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I've never seen x-ray damage that looked like that...
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I've never seen x-ray damage that looked like that...
... because it doesn't!
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In my own experience, I find traveling with digital to be so much less complicated. Nothing says you have to do your downloading, post-processing, etc. while on the trip. With a few tiny memory cards, you have the capacity to store far more images than you could on 100 rolls of film.
A digital camera with a few batteries, memory cards and a charger will take up less space than a film camera and the huge bag of film you will have to carry.
If you want to include a laptop, etc. in your digital kit, that's up to you. But it's hardly a necessity.
Exactly. Found this out myself too.
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