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Old 01-13-2013   #26
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Omg. I can understand being mad about sensor issues, for sure. Anger about price drops is ridiculous. My Sony nex 5n is not worth half what it was a year ago. Should I be pissed?

Early adopters always take risks to have cool stuff first. Look at the Fuji rush and hangover. The funny thing is how sony's desperate quest for market share drew such a chorus of pshaws. The nex 5 was laughed at widely at inception.

Basically the whole point of 35mm photography began with the idea of a truly portable camera. Contax began the bloat, and the Slr revolution, sans Olympus, pushed it. But these huge FF DSLRs are over the top, a99 and even the m9 included. We will soon have an FF the size of the original Leica, and it's long past time.
 

Old 01-13-2013   #27
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i, along with others here, dont understand what your issue is. i mean cmon man its bad luck. you act like Nikon personally wanted to screw you out of $700.

i buy a lot of groceries. i spend up to $70 on the average week and hundreds during the holiday season. many times, things go on sale after i bought them at regular price. does that entitle me to a refund? no.
 

Old 01-13-2013   #28
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I get how it's frustrating to miss out on a price drop, but we've probably all paid for something and then seen it cheaper somewhere else, or the price is cut for some reason. Nikon put the D600 on the market at a price, the customer may feels it's a fair price and buy it. If the price then goes down, well, it's annoying, but Nikon has not wronged you, all ends of the deal have been held up, you got the camera at what you felt was a fair price.

Electronics prices go down, it's a fact of life, and one we're all aware of when buying. Sometimes they'll drop overnight, and sometimes it'll take 6 months, in end, it does not make much difference.

I agree with steveniphoto, it's bad luck, nothing more.

Good luck with A99 though, a full frame EVF-based camera is an interesting bit of kit for manual glass. I've found the DSLRs often need their focus screens shimmed to be accurate with the manual lenses, I'd expect that point to be moot on a A99.
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Old 01-13-2013   #29
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I can understand the frustration. Nikon clearly showed disrespect to its loyal following. And yes, those who say that you paid what you thought it was worth, are right. That doesn't mean you can't feel like they've treated you unfair. Going to another mount because of this might be a bit drastic....

However, here on the Alpha side, live is great. Visit us other Alphists over at Dyxum.com. It has great resources. Second hand Minolta AF lenses work perfect on your A99, so some great deals are to be had! And did you know that some Minolta lenses were developed together with Leica? Alpha mount has Leica and Zeiss AF.....
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Old 01-13-2013   #30
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Sorry for your bad feelings about the price, but I have to agree with others here - that you have to expect big price drops in camera bodies, and you can't expect a company to reimburse early adopters when it happens.

The good side is maybe you are ready to jump ship and try out some new brand - that could be fun !


EDIT: I just re-read your posting. Yeh, if it's $700 and really was just a few weeks, Nikon (or the dealer) should do something ? ? to keep it's angry customers happy.
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Old 01-13-2013   #31
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A lot of people are acting like paying $700 too much is the equivalent of losing a $20 bill. I'd have to say it depends on how many weeks a "matter of weeks" is, but if I had paid several hundred more for something than it was worth, I'd be mad too.
 

Old 01-13-2013   #32
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The price drop was aided by fluctuations in the yen/dollar exchange. All consumer goods are subject to situations where they are discounted. What would you have them do? Maintain the same price throughout the product life? Ask your opinion before changing the price? I think we've all been in this position at one time or the other.

It's not a photographic or camera performance issue.
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Old 01-13-2013   #33
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If I was to see a major price drop on a camera I was an early adopter of, just because me and lots of others have had problems with the camera, I think I would be kind of pissed off.
I would feel like a guinea pig for the company, and the experiment didn't go too well...
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Old 01-13-2013   #34
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I agree with most people here, when you choose to buy a camera is up to you, they nearly always drop in price. I waited about 9 months to get the D800 and saved about £750. That's just the market, you wait patiently or pay a premium.
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Always too soon, always too late. The problem of digital equipment.
 

Old 01-13-2013   #36
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Camerabuyers memory must be lacking in the light how many firmwareupdates etc. most new products undergo the first year or so. The cameras are maturing during their lifespan to a certain point and of cource Nikon, Canon, Sony and Fuji, just to name a few, are squizing their costumers for every penny possible in the first period after a product release, Would you expect differently? Afterall they have a bottomline and theyll have to make money to make the next generation possible. Prices are subject to change so you just have to think it over before buying and dont look back. In the end you payed what you where ready to pay and considered it a fair price. That pricething happens all the time here when it comes to cars and we are talking 180% taxed products here
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I'm not sure I understand the basis for your argument.
I understand it, but think he was over reacting. Read x-ray's message, it's better written than what was my initial reaction to the original post.

I avoid this type of thing by buying refurbs or last years model...
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Old 01-13-2013   #38
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As already said its annoying but you are always going to be a guinea pig buying cameras soon after they are released. Did you not loose even more money when you switched to Sony?
I would have just stuck with the Nikon so as not to have a Sony
 

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I think it's kind of a childish reaction to the situation, to dump all your gear because of the way one customer service individual treated you.

Also, according to Ken Rockwell, your D600 was the same camera as the Nikon D4, which costs thousands and thousands more, so you got a really good deal on your D600, no matter what you originally paid.

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Old 01-13-2013   #40
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It is frustrating; I've pretty much given up buying new digi stuff. I do shop and shop, but hardly ever get around to buying anything. But that is largely because I don't have an immediate need. If you have a job or project that requires something, then you buy it at the price you are comfortable with and move on. I bought my Epson 4900 at a good price. Apparently people pay double what I did (well more than $700 difference). The digital gear marketplace is nutty.

Moving to Sony is helping this somehow? I presume you've now lost even more than the $700 you were upset about. So, sure, it's all a matter of principle, but Sony is somehow better? Sony Corp is known for caring about its customers' feelings?

Maybe if the world threw away its Nikons in disgust it would make a difference, but I bet they found plenty of buyers with the $700 rebate, and that there are plenty more buyers for bargain priced gear from a few Nikon deserters.
 

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I really don't see what the problem is. You chose to buy at the price you paid. It was just bad timing on your part.
Even that's a bit overly generous to the OP. Look, the camera had a set price when the OP purchased it. He either needed/could justify the purchase at that time, or not. It is not the seller's responsibility to say whether an outlay of funds in exchange for a piece of equipment is a good idea or not. Nikon's lowering of the price did not in any way change the utility of the machine once purchased. The only thing that was potentially affected was resale value. But anyone who pays the slightest attention to digital cameras knows that camera bodies depreciate rapidly, and need to be viewed as consumables, like film.

Which brings us to the real question: are we buying gear for the sake of buying gear, or because we want/need the photographic capabilities offered by that gear? There is a huge difference between the former and the latter.
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Sony may make fantastic cameras but they are notorious for very short support period of product after release. Already they won't repair a number of their FF DSLRs, I am told by some colleagues that use them. THAT is something to complain about.
 

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So I went looking for the $700 rebate on the D600 and I can't find it anywhere. All the usual places are listing it at just under $2K. Oh well, I would have bought one at $1400 as a backup for the D800.
 

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A lot of people are acting like paying $700 too much is the equivalent of losing a $20 bill. I'd have to say it depends on how many weeks a "matter of weeks" is, but if I had paid several hundred more for something than it was worth, I'd be mad too.
He didn't pay $700 too much, though - he obviously thought the camera was worth the asking price, otherwise it would have stayed on the dealer's shelf. I know it's natural to feel a little cheated if the price drops afterwards, but it still doesn't mean he's entitled to a refund.
 

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It wasn't a rebate.

Here is what the special promotion was:
So the OP is so disgruntled at not receiving this US only special offer beginner pack bundle that he sells his whole kit at a loss? Oh well, to each his own...
 

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I usually buy my work cameras in pairs but this time the initial 5d markiii price was too high for me to contemplate that, so wanting the higher iso usability I bought one at the full price and waited for the inevitable price drop before buying the second, sure enough I recently bought the second less than a year after the first and a wopping £1100 less than the first.
That's how the market for Canon/Nikon works. It's a shame it's not the same with Leica, if I can't afford the release price I have to buy second hand, you begin to think that towards the end of their production run they're held artificially high
 

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Especially this camera seems to be an example of very bad pricing by the company. Just looked up the price development. It started in Germany at 1998 EUR and 4 months later the price dropped by 22%. Couldn't find such a dramatic loss with 2 other high priced cameras I looked up (5D Mk III dropped 8% from start to 4 month later). I can fully understand that you feel ripped off.
 

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Every day I inch closer to completely replacing all my Nikon equiptment (2 D700s, 2 super-wide Nikkor zooms and a bunch of new and old primes) for Fuji X APS-C bodies and lenses.

The Nikon stuff is just too big and heavy. Nikon's quality seems to be going down hill too. I had a D300 that constantly spit oil all over the sensor at random intervals for two years. The AF issues with the D800 bother me too. Even their prime lenses just get bigger and bigger. They don't have a tilt-shift lens I can use.

Unfortunately right now tethered operation via an iPhone or iPad (my clients love this) is only supported for the major brands. Another issue is my clients expect me to use a large DSLR, but eventually the end product will win out.

I doubt I will own any Nikon equiptment a year from now. I certainly won't miss lugging all that stuff around.
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At $1000 more than the D600, the A99 is kind of pricey, but I hear it's great! Enjoy it Dave.
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... tethered operation via an iPhone or iPad (my clients love this) is only supported for the major brands. Another issue is my clients expect me to use a large DSLR, but eventually the end product will win out.

I doubt I will own any Nikon equiptment a year from now. I certainly won't miss lugging all that stuff around.
I find it big and heavy too, but it's useful none-the-less. But where can I find information about tethering to an iphone? I'd LOVE that in a studio, but haven't been able to find much information on line about how to do it. Tethered to laptop using Nikon's software yes. To an iphone, no.
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