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CameraQuest CameraQuest is offline
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Please Vote in RFF's Voigtlander 21/1.8 Contest!

1) To Vote
see http://www.rangefinderforum.com/rffg...d=9317&showall
click the VOTE button of your choice
please choose carefully, you will not be able to change your vote once its cast
and your vote will be public

2) To see the Vote Totals
-- on second thought, the Vote Talley will be unable until the end of the voting and a winner has been determined.
seeing the tally may have encouraged some not to look at all of the entries.

3) The top voted entries will have ALL of their votes carefully evaluated before a winner is determined.

Stephen

 




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old 02-04-2013
petronius
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This doesn´t work right. The picture I voted for doesn´t show up. My vote is indicated for a completely different photo. Can this be fixed?
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Clint Troy
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This doesn´t work right. The picture I voted for doesn´t show up. My vote is indicated for a completely different photo. Can this be fixed?
Oooohhh boy.

What amazes me even more are the votes for images that don't say anything about "the human condition". I maybe haven't grasped the term well.
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kxl
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Oooohhh boy.

What amazes me even more are the votes for images that don't say anything about "the human condition". I maybe haven't grasped the term well.
Same here. Rule clearly states "Street photography showing the human condition."

Street photography may be defined a thousand ways, but at least 3 or 4 of those photos defy any description of street photography. Same goes for human condition.

I would have thought those photos clearly violated the rules and would have been removed from eligibility.

If they're eligible, then why bother having the rules?
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Clint Troy
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Same here. Rule clearly states "Street photography showing the human condition."

Street photography may be defined a thousand ways, but at least 3 or 4 of those photos defy any description of street photography. Same goes for human description.

I would have thought those photos clearly violated the rules and would have been removed from eligibility.

If they're eligible, then why bother having the rules?
I'm with you. Oh well.
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MP Guy
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This doesn´t work right. The picture I voted for doesn´t show up. My vote is indicated for a completely different photo. Can this be fixed?
The first 7 votes were in error due to voting before I had completed the program. Those 7 who voted will now be able to vote again since I removed the 7 votes in error. I will communicate with them and let them know.

I just write the app, the rules and judging are up to others so don't shoot the messenger I had a similar problem on my website with voters disagreeing on subject matter etc ... Let the Head bartender deal with it

JT
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View~Finder
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Same here. Rule clearly states "Street photography showing the human condition."

Street photography may be defined a thousand ways, but at least 3 or 4 of those photos defy any description of street photography. Same goes for human condition.

I would have thought those photos clearly violated the rules and would have been removed from eligibility.

If they're eligible, then why bother having the rules?
...Well stated! I would also add that some of the votes went to staged photographs - a violation of the contest rules.
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CameraQuest
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Same here. Rule clearly states "Street photography showing the human condition."

Street photography may be defined a thousand ways, but at least 3 or 4 of those photos defy any description of street photography. Same goes for human condition.

I would have thought those photos clearly violated the rules and would have been removed from eligibility.

If they're eligible, then why bother having the rules?
This is the first contest of this type RFF has done in a while, and its been a bumpy learning experience. As far a the content, I am trusting that will be taken care of by the voters.

Stephen
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jw52tx
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So, are we blocked from voting for ourselves? And to the person who commented, clearly staged, how can you discern this? I spent three hours waiting for just the right child to come into the spot I picked, by them selves, and with just the right motions. Any photography is not always just shooting pictures and hoping.
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froyd
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I'm not seeing my vote for bonatto's picture show up in the tally. Does the tally update automatically after every vote or just a few times a day?
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Lss
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Have all the ineligible entries been removed or is there still a risk of voting a photograph that may be removed?
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kdemas
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Have all the ineligible entries been removed or is there still a risk of voting a photograph that may be removed?
I still see at least 1 shot (which I like btw) taken with a D3S SLR. Not that I mind, I don't care what someone uses, but rules are in place.
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Erik van Straten
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I don't think it's wise to publish the names of the voters in the voting period. Surely this will influence later voters. I thought voting was secret.

Erik.
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segedi
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I see the tally, but where do I see all of the images entered into the contest? Or can I just vote for the ones in the tally?
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kxl
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I see the tally, but where do I see all of the images entered into the contest? Or can I just vote for the ones in the tally?
Go to Gallery. Click on 'Select Category to View.' Select the Street Photography Human Condition category to see all of the entries.

Or go to Gallery Search - Basic Search - then select the Street Photography Human Condition category.
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finguanzo
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I see the tally, but where do I see all of the images entered into the contest? Or can I just vote for the ones in the tally?
If you go to the gallery, hover over gallery, select gallery to view, on the drop down select 2012 Contest-Street photography Human condition..
All the entries are there, with vote buttons..
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segedi
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Thanks! ....................
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existrandom
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quite a few entries are taken indoor, in the woods, on the beach.... i like some of those, but i am not sure whether it will be deem illegible

i am also in support of anonymous vote
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model337
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quite a few entries are taken indoor, in the woods, on the beach.... i like some of those, but i am not sure whether it will be deem illegible

i am also in support of anonymous vote
It is a misconception that street photography must take place on a street. Street photography features subjects in candid situations in public spaces. Street photography can happen in any of those places listed above, provided it is not staged or posed.
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finguanzo
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I agree with you model337, to some extent, but I don't understand how a bunch of the images have anything to do with "The Human Condition"......
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robklurfield
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Fidel and model337, I agree, but isn't the simple solution to register your vote for images that do address the human condition? And, that do fit your own personal definition of "street?" Since you only get one vote, you have plenty of opportunity to disqualify all the "ineligible" entries.

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I agree with you model337, to some extent, but I don't understand how a bunch of the images have anything to do with "The Human Condition"......
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Damaso
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I've voted, again! I do recommend going through all the pages before voting as there are some very interesting images on pages 5 & 6..
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flyalf
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Thanks,

Is it possible for someone to post a link to gallery? Its not possible to access menues fron Android pad.

Edit: please disregard this. Found the gallery from search function. Sorry.
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MP Guy
Just another face in the crowd
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mocheez
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What's the relationship between the votes and the tally? I see photos with four voters and a tally of 1...
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finguanzo
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I saw that too, but its 4 votes by the same person, guess it was some kind of glitch.. ?
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MP Guy
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What's the relationship between the votes and the tally? I see photos with four voters and a tally of 1...
That was a mistake not affecting the tally.

what happened was that the tallys are being calcultaed for the contest category correctly. However, when the member names were shown it pulled them from other categoriees they also vote in.

for example. they voted for the contest and the tally shows 1. they also may have voted in 3 other categories so their name showed up 4 times as well

this has been fixed by only showing the names from the contest category votes.
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Rick Waldroup
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You know, I never enter photo contests but I really thought this time it might be different. So, I entered a couple of shots in good faith.

Boy, was I wrong. This whole thing is screwed up. Crazy ass photos that have absolutely nothing to do with street photography, much less "The Human Condition." Not only that, but it seems there may be vote rigging and apparent fraud. Wow.

This is what happens when you have contests where members are allowed to vote instead of a panel of impartial judges who decide the final outcome, as flawed as that may be.

Oh well....
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Clint Troy
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Yes, it's a funny contest that's screwed on many levels.

The entries should have been anonymous with a public vote. There would probably be 2 or 3 contenders. Not 50 like now.
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Rick Waldroup
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Yes, it's a funny contest that's screwed on many levels.

The entries should have been anonymous with a public vote. There would probably be 2 or 3 contenders. Not 50 like now.
Yeah, I have a feeling we will never see another contest like this.
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Clint Troy
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Honestly? I think it's not too late to cancel it and restart it from new in a few days, with a new set of solid rules. But that's just me.

Anyhow, good luck to all!
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old 02-08-2013
robklurfield
eclipse
I think there's a bug in the display of the votes. Some entries that had votes have the votes disappear, reappear and then disappear again. Same voter shows up when it reappears. In another case, one entry appears twice, each time with a vote from the same voter. I don't think this is anything nefarious, but rather just a technical glitch. For example, I am fairly sure that the duplicate display is not counting as two votes.

One of my entries received a vote. Then the vote vanished. Later, the same vote was restored. Now it has vanished again. I'm not concerned for myself, as I have a very low expectation of winning (there are many fine images entered). I am concerned that the poor fellow who kindly cast a ballot was disenfranchised not once but twice.

I suspect that Jorge simply needs to fix some code.

To those of you who are complaining about the contest, please remember that Stephen is doing this on his own dime. He is not charging us anything for entries. Some talented person will deservedly win a nice lens. If it's not you who wins, you shouldn't have such sour grapes. I see photo contests on the web all the time. Most all of them charge entry fees. If you don't win this one, you also haven't lost anything.

If you have constructive criticism, you should post it. If you are simply venting frustration because you are not winning the contest, you should act a little more mature.
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Clint Troy
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No vent here. I am a bit concerned for Stephen, though. If he ends up losing a lens to non-complying image it will surely be a sad thing. Otherwise it is a very entertaining contest and I say thanks to him and to all the participants. It's all very cool.
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froyd
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Not sure why so many people are having a hard time with interpretations of the contest's topic.

"Human condition" is such a broad theme that it lends itself to many interpretations. An empty room could accurately depict "human condition" for some. For some others, it takes something a little more literal, like a baby clinging to his mother or the ubiquitous homeless person.

As some have suggested, your vote will speak for itself, but don't presume that there is only one way that a theme this broad could be explored. Now, if the contests was called "Trains" and somebody posted macros of flowers, that would be a different thing!

A final thought, my vote did not go to the picture that best depicted what I may think of as the human condition, rather it went to the picture that I found most aesthetically pleasing within the many that I thought communicated something about the contest's subject.
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robklurfield
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What's a non-complying image?
Not shot in 2012.
Not shot with a rangefinder. etc.

Most of the rest is up to those who choose to vote.

Froyd, the logic of your choice makes sense to me and doesn't need to be defended.

I would hope that no one would vote for macro shots of a flower in a contest about trains.


If you think something is staged or not street photography or doesn't address the human condition, then don't vote for it. That seems pretty simple.

Democracy: that's when we accept the consequences of the voice of the people even if we don't agree with it.

Stephen put us on the honor system on this one. I have to trust that most folks here are honorable and that those who are not will not win votes.

I'm not concerned for Stephen or the rest of us. Some deserving person will get a lens.

Now, bring on those HRD'd pictures of cats playing with yarn.
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PetarDima
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C'mon people. Let's play. Every forum is good place to put personal opinon, but we have to do it polite. We'll have chance to discuss after deadline. This game is based on someones good will, right? ... or maybe it's better to have several judges with '' final decision '' and no complaints?
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Clint Troy
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Again,
I want to make it 100% clear that I absolutely appreciate the entries, the votes and the contest itself. I simply took part in the conversation.
I think that we can't thank Mr. Gandy enough. Really.
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old 02-08-2013
CameraQuest
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UPDATE

the tally page has been disabled to encourage people to look at all of the entries before voting.

yes, this has been a learning experience.

Looking backward I would have done a few things differently, but I trust the members to determine the best entries.

The top voted entries will have ALL of their votes carefully evaluated before a winner is determined.

Cheers,

Stephen
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