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Larry Cloetta 02-10-2020 05:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by CMur12 (Post 2941247)
I noticed the negative camber, too. Those swing axles could be treacherous.

As besk pointed out, the Corvair was updated in 1965, with new styling and a fully articulated rear suspension, that dramatically improved the handling.

- Murray

There is another side to this story.

Stirling Moss opined that the Corvair was the best handling car made in the U.S at the time, and when he made that statement he was specifically referring to the pre-1965 swing axle model, because that was his point of reference. Rear weight bias combined with a rear swing axle was a design brief that the early Corvair copied from and shared with the VW Beetle and the Porsche 356 and early 911, and those Corvairs exhibited the same handling traits as those cars, specifically trailing throttle oversteer. It was handling which rewarded good drivers with a nimbleness which allowed quicker corner exits and faster lap times, and frankly more fun, but punished poor drivers who didn’t know how to drive them. Considering the fact that the GM marketing department seemed to aim this well engineered car towards secretaries there was bound to be some trouble. Like the Porsches, it was a car you could steer with the throttle to a certain extent, and was quick and very entertaining to drive as long as you knew not to enter a corner faster than you intended to and knowing that, if you had done so, your best way out was just to keep your foot in it and keep the weight transferred to the rear wheels. If you lifted abruptly mid-corner you would find yourself looking back in the direction from whence you had just come. Exactly like a Porsche. It was a different handling car, a better handling car, than the understeering barges that comprised the lineup of every other U.S. manufacturer at the time. Neither Moss nor Don Yenko found the handling to be at all “treacherous”, but it was certainly unforgiving of mistakes, which is not exactly the same thing. GM subsequently installed a version of the suspension used on the Corvette at the time, which made the car more docile if less tossable, and more appropriate for secretaries and others whose only prior point of driving reference was understeering tractors, but the public relations damage was done and the car exited the market shortly thereafter.
The cars themselves were never “Unsafe at any Speed”, that was a phrase applicable to certain drivers, not their cars.

css9450 02-10-2020 06:23

Those second-gen Corvairs were beautiful. I'd make room for one in the garage if I could.


I own a Pontiac Fiero, which is in many ways was the Corvair story all over again in the 1980s. A popular small car with a rear engine, the Fiero quickly fell out of favor with the media and the motoring public due to safety concerns, real or imagined, and they mostly disappeared from the roads within a decade or less. I like mine though.... I tend to keep my cars forever and this is the one I've owned longer than any others.






kshapero 02-10-2020 09:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillBlackwell (Post 2941209)

An amazing shot.

dourbalistar 02-10-2020 18:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by css9450 (Post 2941339)
I own a Pontiac Fiero, which is in many ways was the Corvair story all over again in the 1980s. A popular small car with a rear engine, the Fiero quickly fell out of favor with the media and the motoring public due to safety concerns, real or imagined, and they mostly disappeared from the roads within a decade or less. I like mine though.... I tend to keep my cars forever and this is the one I've owned longer than any others.


Wow, that's a nicely kept Pontiac! Speaking of old Pontiacs... here's a third generation Firebird. Not sure about the model year, though. :o

Nikon FM2n, Nikkor-S Auto 55mm f/1.2, ORWO N74+, developed in LegacyPro L110 at 1:31 for 6.5 minutes.


2019.06.08 Roll #207--49.jpg
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Yokosuka_Mike 02-11-2020 01:12

Some yank muscle in Yokohama





Fujinon XF 35mm f2 R WR lens
Fujifilm X-Pro3 "Dura Black"
Yokohama, Japan - February 2020

All the best,
Mike

David Hughes 02-11-2020 13:53




This was waiting outside a house and was later on decorated with ribbons and so on...

dourbalistar 02-16-2020 19:53

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Originally Posted by Yokosuka_Mike (Post 2941460)
Some yank muscle in Yokohama




Nice Chevelle, Mike! :cool:

dourbalistar 02-16-2020 19:54

Here's one I spotted in the neighborhood near my work, I think a slightly older model...

1969 Chevrolet Chevelle Malibu SS 396.

Nikomat FTn, Nikkor-H Auto 50mm f/2 non-AI, Kodak Ektar 100.


2018.10.20 Roll #187-69850033.jpg
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2018.10.20 Roll #187-69850035.jpg
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Doug 02-16-2020 21:30

Yes, Mike's Chevelle appears to be a 1971 model (note grille shape, single headlights, dual turn signal), in really nice condition too!
An apartment neighbor of mine had an earlier one in the late 1960s, an SS396 model with 4.88 differential gearing IIRC, top speed at engine redline was about 100 but it got there real quick! I drove it once to take him to the hospital after he cut himself.. whoa betsy...

CharlesDAMorgan 02-16-2020 21:56

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Originally Posted by David Hughes (Post 2941578)



This was waiting outside a house and was later on decorated with ribbons and so on...

Beautiful Hooper bodied Daimler Empress.

Greg Maslak 02-20-2020 14:46

The first car I remember my family owning when I was a kid was a great big Pontiac. It was a gorgeous, deep blue, two-door Parisienne. A monstrosity by today's standards, but deliciously desirable none the less. This is not that car, but I couldn't help wonder if at one time it possessed a more humble beauty of its own. Pentax SV/55 Super-Takumar, FP4 in Rodinal(Blazinal)


dourbalistar 02-20-2020 18:17

Nice shot, Greg! Here's another monstrous 2-door Pontiac from around the same era.

1966 Pontiac LeMans.

Nikon FM2n, Nikkor-S Auto 55mm f/1.2, Ultrafine Xtreme 400, developed in LegacyPro L110 at 1:31 for 5.5 minutes.


2019.10.10 Roll #223-04099-positive.jpg
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David Hughes 02-21-2020 03:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by CharlesDAMorgan (Post 2942576)
Beautiful Hooper bodied Daimler Empress.

And those expensive one-offs look good from any angle. I wanted a few more shots but they were getting it and a common old Jaguar ready for a wedding and kids and wedding guests were everywhere so I couldn't get the shots I wanted. It got worse later on with everyone photographing it.

Regards, David

CharlesDAMorgan 02-21-2020 03:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by David Hughes (Post 2943515)
And those expensive one-offs look good from any angle. I wanted a few more shots but they were getting it and a common old Jaguar ready for a wedding and kids and wedding guests were everywhere so I couldn't get the shots I wanted. It got worse later on with everyone photographing it.



Regards, David

I have a dream that one day I'll go somewhere scenic and there will be lots of vintage cars, parked a long way apart, and no people to ruin the view or walk in front of you as I take a shot. And gorgeous old buildings and settlements with no cars parked to ruin the shot.

Then I woke up...

airfrogusmc 02-21-2020 11:21


Moto-Uno 02-21-2020 12:33

^^^^ And what do I see parked in front of that car , but an 80's Honda , everything in that neigbour hood is old :) . Peter

David Hughes 02-22-2020 01:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by CharlesDAMorgan (Post 2943520)
I have a dream that one day I'll go somewhere scenic and there will be lots of vintage cars, parked a long way apart, and no people to ruin the view or walk in front of you as I take a shot. And gorgeous old buildings and settlements with no cars parked to ruin the shot.

Then I woke up...

Airshows are worse; just as they do the final run and bank so that you can get a shot that isn't straight up the exhaust pipe, someone will stand up in front of you or - worse - wave a mobile in the middle of your frame.

Back to weddings, my favourite wedding "car" was when they hired an old fashioned red London bus (with the open platform at the back) for the guests to take them to the reception/party after the wedding. It was ribboned and then parked nicely...

Regards, David

Dralowid 02-22-2020 02:19

Daimlers and Lanchesters were the choice of Royalty and serious nobility, those Rolls Royces were way too flashy.

I have fond memories of one of the last 'proper' Daimlers, the V8 Majestic Major. A big heavy car that went surprisingly fast and could be thrown around with gay abandon. Poor thing ended up banger racing I suspect.

David Hughes 02-22-2020 09:33

Looking for something else and found this:-





Regards, David

Dralowid 02-22-2020 13:47

Its simply lovely. Check out Lady Docker's Daimler.

Going back to my history lesson I seem to remember that many Lanchesters and Daimlers of the '20s and '30s (and before) were sleeve valve (for the USA think Pierce Arrow). This lack of valves and associated gear made them very, very quiet and well behaved.

Edit: The above may well be rubbish or at least mostly rubbish, I need to check my facts!

css9450 02-25-2020 04:14

Moonlight Cadillac.



CharlesDAMorgan 02-25-2020 04:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dralowid (Post 2943820)
Its simply lovely. Check out Lady Docker's Daimler.

Going back to my history lesson I seem to remember that many Lanchesters and Daimlers of the '20s and '30s (and before) were sleeve valve (for the USA think Pierce Arrow). This lack of valves and associated gear made them very, very quiet and well behaved.

Edit: The above may well be rubbish or at least mostly rubbish, I need to check my facts!

The problem with the sleeve valve engine was while reliable and silent, lubrication became problematic at above 1500 rpm, so were very limited in performance unless very large. Add in heavy coachwork, and the cars became renowned as rather stolid and old-fashioned and really rather fusty (like Queen Mary).

Greyscale 02-28-2020 08:34


Leica M3, Voigtlander Super Wide-Heliar 15/4.5, Ilford HP5+, EI 250, FA1027 8 minutes 20C by Mike Novak, on Flickr


Leica M3, Voigtlander Super Wide-Heliar 15/4.5, Ilford HP5+, EI 250, FA1027 8 minutes 20C by Mike Novak, on Flickr

dourbalistar 02-28-2020 18:19

Following on Mike's theme, here's another International Harvester! This one has the newer "man on a tractor" logo. Some logo history here on this website: http://www.hansenwebdesign.com/truck/history_logo.html

International Harvester Loadstar 1600 (pre-1972 model with "butterfly hood").

Nikon FM2n, Nikkor-S Auto 55mm f/1.2, ORWO N74+, developed in LegacyPro L110 at 1:31 for 6.5 minutes.


2019.04.27 Roll #202-03512-positive.jpg
by dourbalistar, on Flickr

Yokosuka_Mike 03-01-2020 00:02

Fujinon XF 50mm f2 R WR lens
Fujifilm X-Pro3
Yokohama, Japan - March 2020

What's this?


Getting closer... It's an Austin Healey


I ask, can I take your picture? Thumbs up!


The light changes - waves goodbye - roars off down the road.


All the best,
Mike

CMur12 03-01-2020 01:37

Mike, it's one of the earlier Austin Healeys, I believe when they still used a four-cylinder engine. It would be from the mid-1950s.


(I'm sure someone who knows Austin Healeys better than I do will reply with more specific information.)


- Murray

Dralowid 03-01-2020 02:55

The four cylinder A-Hs were known as 100 or 100S (rare). This one is badged 100. The grille is the correct shape for this.

Six cylinder was known as 100/6 before a change to the better known 3000.

Great fun when cheap!

Yokosuka_Mike 03-01-2020 13:10

^Murray, Michael, thank you for the background info on the Austin Healey. Much appreciated!

Fujinon XF 50mm f2 R WR lens
Fujifilm X-Pro3
Yokohama, Japan - March 2020

I wasn't fast enough on my feet to get a picture of this one from the front.



There's another Skyline up ahead of it.


All the best,
Mike

Doug 03-01-2020 14:46

You were pretty quick on the trigger with the multiple shots of the A-H, Mike! I recall as a teen I drove one off a used car lot, took it home and tried to persuade my dad we needed that car... no luck! Marvelous to drive with its short stubby shift lever and so low to the ground.

The blue Nissan Skyline GT appears to be following a buddy in a similar car...

dourbalistar 03-05-2020 18:14

1951 Chevrolet Advance Design.

Leica M5, Canon 35mm f/2 LTM, ORWO N74+, developed in LegacyPro L110 at 1:31 for 6.5 minutes.


2019.10.19 Roll #224-04188-positive.jpg
by dourbalistar, on Flickr

02Pilot 03-06-2020 09:55


Doug 03-06-2020 15:37

^^ 1957-ish Corvette getting some attention! ^^

tunalegs 03-07-2020 22:28

Untitled by Berang Berang, on Flickr


Untitled by Berang Berang, on Flickr


Untitled by Berang Berang, on Flickr

dourbalistar 03-14-2020 18:33

1965 Ford Thunderbird.

Leica M5, Canon 35mm f/2 LTM, ORWO N74+, developed in LegacyPro L110 at 1:31 for 6.5 minutes.


2019.10.19 Roll #224-04186-positive.jpg
by dourbalistar, on Flickr

charjohncarter 03-14-2020 20:27

Hayward, CA about 1974:

found slides by John Carter, on Flickr

Yokosuka_Mike 03-15-2020 02:26

Sony A7III, Sigma 45mm f2.8 lens
Yokohama, Japan - March 2020

My guess is: LANCIA DELTA INTEGRALE EVOLUZIONE



All the best,
Mike

Yokosuka_Mike 03-16-2020 02:59

Sony A7III, Sigma 45mm f2.8 lens
Yokohama, Japan - March 2020

Nissan Skyline GTR



All the best,
Mike

valdas 03-16-2020 10:12

Does it already qualify as "old"?



Rollei 35S, Adox CMS20II

02Pilot 03-16-2020 12:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by valdas (Post 2948257)
Does it already qualify as "old"?
Rollei 35S, Adox CMS20II

Given that the last one was produced 44 years ago, I'd say it does. That's a late US-spec car, 1974-6.

CharlesDAMorgan 03-16-2020 13:03

It's old enough, I had mine until 2012 and it was a classic then! Those US spec bumpers somewhat ruin the utter gorgeousness of the Michelotti design though.


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