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noimmunity 10-28-2012 02:45

The Sigma Foveon M : Please Share your Monochrom Images
 
I was waiting for Gary to start this thread, but somebody has to do it! Monochrome conversions from the DP2M are incredible. I just don't think I've seen anything like it in terms of the grain and the tonality. The grain looks much less random to me, much more intrinsic to the image.

I'm sorry, I'm no pro, but the images speak for themselves.


Best bread this side of the Rhône by areality4all, on Flickr

真的是「百看不如一品」!

For the sake of comparison, here is a color rendition:


Color version of best bread by areality4all, on Flickr

Richard G 10-28-2012 03:37

Forgive me, but what is a DP2M....?

noimmunity 10-28-2012 03:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by Richard G (Post 1996551)
Forgive me, but what is a DP2M....?

Hello. That would be a Sigma DP2 Merrill. Thank you.

burancap 10-28-2012 04:04


SDP2M-15 by burancap, on Flickr

GaryLH 10-28-2012 10:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by noimmunity (Post 1996535)
I was waiting for Gary to start this thread, but somebody has to do it! Monochrome conversions from the DP2M are incredible.

Not the type of thread I would normally start. :rolleyes: thanks for starting.

Yes the b/w conversions from this camera are really good. :D

Cheers
Gary

GaryLH 10-28-2012 23:01

One of te bad for the DP Merrill series is that u cannot be in b&w mode when using raw+jpg. Other cameras like Fuji xp1 have no problem w/ this.

Anyway here are a couple from today. Camera was set or raw+jpg. Converted to b&w from the color ooc jpgs. Processed using aperture. Getting late so did not go thru the raw to tiff conversion, just used the ooc jpgs instead.

Gary




noimmunity 10-30-2012 01:01

I love the second one...what are those? Hot water dispensers?


Le pont bonaparte by areality4all, on Flickr

jsrockit 10-30-2012 05:17

Love that weathered dictionary.

burancap 10-30-2012 07:37


SDP2M-14 by burancap, on Flickr



100% Crop of "flickerized" original JPG (grain added in SE)

SDP2M-14-100 by burancap, on Flickr

burancap 10-30-2012 07:41


SDP2M-11 by burancap, on Flickr



100% Crop of "flickerized" original JPG (desaturated X3F only) ... can you spot the motorcyclist?

SDP2M-11-100 by burancap, on Flickr

v_roma 10-30-2012 08:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by noimmunity (Post 1996535)
The grain looks much less random to me, much more intrinsic to the image.

Did you mean more random? Not a sensor expert but, to me, it makes sense that the "grain" or noise pattern looks better with these cameras given the arrangement of the three color sensors per photosite as opposed to some artificial pattern of one color sensor per photosite that needs to be demosaiced. I think it is these artificial patterns and maybe the demosaicing process that result in less than pleasing/non-random noise patterns in typical Bayer sensors.

EDIT: Great photos :)

GaryLH 10-30-2012 08:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by noimmunity (Post 1997910)
I love the second one...what are those? Hot water dispensers?

They are olive oil dispensers. The women is sampling a bit before deciding which to buy. There are empty bottles on the side some place that the customer can fill.

Thanks
Gary

GaryLH 10-30-2012 08:28

Jeff

U like to shoot the same type of pictures I do :)

The first one was best.

Gary

GaryLH 10-30-2012 08:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by jsrockit (Post 1998030)
Love that weathered dictionary.

Thanks. It was sitting in display window of a bookstore in st Helena. Cropped to isolate other junk out of the picture.

Gary

GaryLH 10-30-2012 08:31

Jon

Love the bridge shot.

Gary

noimmunity 10-30-2012 13:18

Thanks, Gary, that's my favorite bridge over the Saône. I'm heading off to Auvergne for a week with the DP2 Merrill and a quiver of batteries. Hope to get some nice landscapes there!

noimmunity 11-11-2012 10:48

Images from the Auvergne, Les Monts du Cantal
 

Peyre Arse monochrome by areality4all, on Flickr


ancient lava route by areality4all, on Flickr


monchrome slope by areality4all, on Flickr

noimmunity 11-12-2012 09:27

In response to Gary's suggestion
 

Kifaru Titanium Hunting/Backpacking Stove by areality4all, on Flickr

fotomeow 11-12-2012 09:36

" One of te bad for the DP Merrill series is that u cannot be in b&w mode when using raw+jpg. Other cameras like Fuji xp1 have no problem w/ this. "
... and even a 7 year old RD1s can do this too. (just sayin')

noimmunity 11-12-2012 22:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by fotomeow (Post 2006883)
(just sayin')



Yeah, it is pretty lame. There are several things about the camera that are lame by current standards.

In fact, the whole point about this camera is that it breaks the rules with regards to standards. The images from this one body/lens combo can, in certain types of situations (which admittedly occupy a hugely important place in my photography) surpass or equal other combinations whose weight/price/size is exponentially higher than the DP2M.

I really think Sigma deserves credit for making this image quality available in this form factor at this price point. Incredible, actually.

OlliL 11-12-2012 22:59

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Originally Posted by noimmunity (Post 2007337)
Incredible, actually.

If it came from Cupertino, it would be "magical" ;)

The DP2m seems really great, but I tried the DP1(s) three times and it drove me nuts tbh.
It was just slow and I'm afraid that the Merrill will bother me the same way. :(
Prices already dropped quite a bit in Germany so eventually I may get one on the used market, to give it a try.

Another question:
Does the camera make these noises, as seen in Steve Huff's video, while focussing? I asked, because I saw another video, where it wasn't really obvious.

Thanks

jsrockit 11-13-2012 04:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by OlliL (Post 2007358)

Another question:
Does the camera make these noises, as seen in Steve Huff's video, while focussing?

Mine makes no noise at all. Now I'm seriously considering the DP1m.

OlliL 11-13-2012 04:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by jsrockit (Post 2007454)
Mine makes no noise at all. Now I'm seriously considering the DP1m.

Perfect!

Thanks :)

burancap 11-13-2012 05:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by noimmunity (Post 2007337)
I really think Sigma deserves credit for making this image quality available in this form factor at this price point. Incredible, actually.

Exactly.

As far as BW/Color mode when in RAW+JPG ... I shoot X3F (RAW) only. I can have whatever I want in post. It is not like my film RFs or SLRs have viewfinders in BW -and I am not color blind. While there may be arguments for having the screen in BW, I have tried this on other cameras and did not care for it. I believe the argument was for better peaking -which does not exist on the DPs anyway. What am I missing?

GaryLH 11-22-2012 21:07

Raw converted to tiff imported to aperture and converted to b&w.. From dp2m

Gary


GaryLH 11-22-2012 21:10

Same processing as the other but this is from dp1m.. Just a quick snap..

Gary


GaryLH 02-12-2013 10:50

From Scoma's pier in San Francisco this last weekend. Processed using silver fx w/ antique look.



Gary

lam 03-28-2013 14:05

Fantastic DP images here :) I too cant wait for prices to drop a bit more :P

GaryLH 03-28-2013 14:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by lam (Post 2106220)
Fantastic DP images here :) I too cant wait for prices to drop a bit more :P

May I ask what the magic number is?

Gary

noimmunity 03-28-2013 14:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by lam (Post 2106220)
Fantastic DP images here :) I too cant wait for prices to drop a bit more :P

In the US, prices on the DP1M and 2M have dropped considerably, until June, at least. New ones are going for $800, Meanwhile in France there is a rebate program, also until June, that rewards brand loyalty by giving a 300 euro rebate on the purchase of a second DP*M camera, making the price on a second one around US$800, too (pretty astounding considering that France price is usually 30% higher than US retail price).

I was lucky cuz I got my first one on sale (open box 30% reduction) through Amazon in France, picked up a second in the US after the price drop, and ordered a third in France to get the 300 euros rebate. Getting those three cameras for about US$2400 is certainly a lot of money, but I think it's a really good deal for what it delivers.

It's likely that I won't keep all three and sell one (which one? :bang:) , offering somebody else yet another way to get a lower priced one!

Monochrom 03-28-2013 19:21

Well....i was about to buy a fuji xe1....my left side of the brain told me that....then...my right side said go for the dp2 merrill....it was a deuce....so my guts decided in favor of the sigma and a few minutes ago i payed for one sample....:D

Keith 03-28-2013 19:55

My DP2M is here but unfortunately I can't get my hands on it. It's at the local post office and they won't be open again until Tuesday! :bang:

:D

GaryLH 03-28-2013 20:39

The foveon files maybe the easiest to convert to b&w that I have played w/ so far. Now that I gotten over my initial mistakes and downloaded the proper fw updates to support b&w raw from the camera.. The b&w u c from spp are pretty flat (I hear the Leica monochrom files are the same). These provide a great jumping off point to manipulate to your taste.

Gary

GaryLH 03-28-2013 20:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by Keith (Post 2106379)
My DP2M is here but unfortunately I can't get my hands on it. It's at the local post office and they won't be open again until Tuesday! :bang:

:D

If it was not worth it u would not be so ready to break down the door of your post office. So by tomorrow will we get your first impressions??

Gary

GaryLH 03-28-2013 20:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by noimmunity (Post 2106242)
In the US, prices on the DP1M and 2M have dropped considerably, until June, at least. New ones are going for $800, Meanwhile in France there is a rebate program, also until June, that rewards brand loyalty by giving a 300 euro rebate on the purchase of a second DP*M camera, making the price on a second one around US$800, too (pretty astounding considering that France price is usually 30% higher than US retail price).

I was lucky cuz I got my first one on sale (open box 30% reduction) through Amazon in France, picked up a second in the US after the price drop, and ordered a third in France to get the 300 euros rebate. Getting those three cameras for about US$2400 is certainly a lot of money, but I think it's a really good deal for what it delivers.

It's likely that I won't keep all three and sell one (which one? :bang:) , offering somebody else yet another way to get a lower priced one!

Three wow. But u saved 600:rolleyes: :D Did u get a dp3m too? I have been reconsidering this one. Depending on what happens by the end of te year, I may pick this one up as well.

Gary

noimmunity 03-28-2013 23:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by GaryLH (Post 2106400)
Three wow. But u saved 600:rolleyes: :D Did u get a dp3m too? I have been reconsidering this one. Depending on what happens by the end of te year, I may pick this one up as well.

Gary

yes, I did. Should have it here today or tomorrow, but it's simply horrible weather and I have way too much work to do right now to use it properly.

For you North Americans, getting deals is an everyday occurrence. But to put it in perspective, the price of two DP*M's here in France/Europe would normally be around US$2600. :eek: So you could say I saved 200 and got one free ;):D

I paid for these by selling my prized Nikon LS Coolscan 5000. The quality of the Merrill's is good enough for me to finally give up my Velvia habit. Talk about the crack metaphor, that stuff was becoming simply ruinous! I also like the black and white from the Merrills (to return to the topic) very very much. So goodbye to film!

It's only recently that I've begun to really comprehend the digital game and how to develop a coherent manageable system strategy in the midst of constant upgrades, but I'll save that for another thread. Let's just say that the DP*M's are enough for me to use for a number of years. I'm sure they could make huge advances in the body and software, but for the kind of shooting I'm doing with them, those changes are mostly irrelevant. The quality of the image size factor ratio is what hooks me.

I have to play with the DP3M in my hands to see the size and how/if it works on my backpack belt. I hope it can pair with the DP1M for my outback kit. Then I will think about whether or not I really want to keep the DP2M.

noimmunity 03-28-2013 23:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by GaryLH (Post 2106398)
If it was not worth it u would not be so ready to break down the door of your post office. So by tomorrow will we get your first impressions??

Gary

Aha! So that's why they delayed production of Mad Max 4 :p

noimmunity 03-28-2013 23:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by GaryLH (Post 2106396)
The b&w u c from spp are pretty flat (I hear the Leica monochrom files are the same). These provide a great jumping off point to manipulate to your taste.

Bingo! Plus they appear to have broader tonal transition than the M9.

GaryLH 03-29-2013 10:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by noimmunity (Post 2106449)
Bingo! Plus they appear to have broader tonal transition than the M9.

After these experiments, I recently changed my c2 setting to
- contrast minus 4
- saturation minus 2
- auto iso to 3200
- BW raw only

I plan to,play around w/ this for a while and c how I like the images...

Gary

noimmunity 03-29-2013 22:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by GaryLH (Post 2106799)
After these experiments, I recently changed my c2 setting to
- contrast minus 4
- saturation minus 2
- auto iso to 3200
- BW raw only

I plan to,play around w/ this for a while and c how I like the images...

Gary

Please get back to us with your experience, Gary!


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