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krötenblender 03-17-2019 23:30

RFF Postcard Project #11
 
Hello dear RFF-members,

this will be the thread to the RFF Postcard Project Nr. 11 This seems to
becoming a tradition... ;)

For the newbies (let's hope, there are many of them), let me explain what it is,
how it works: Simple - that's the best. We send selfmade Postcards of one
specific picture to all other participants and receive as many from them. Get to
know, what people photograph, get real prints of great and interesting pictures,
often with stories behind them or a short personal note. (Relax, you can just
have them printed by a service, no own darkroom required... - but some do) It's
exciting to get them and looking forward to the postman every day during the
project. So join, it's great fun!

Here are the details, of how it works, how you can participate:

I organize this by collecting participants addresses and then distribute the
address list to all of you after a deadline. Then you have some time to choose
your image (only one! - Same picture to be sent to all others, so we all have
the same collection afterwards) and make your postcards. Then send them, wait...
  • Organisation: To participate, please sent an e-mail to rff11-at-mempool-dot-net (that's me) containing the following information:
    • Subject: RFF Postcard Project 11
    • Your real Name
    • Your Address, as you would write it on an incredibly
      important postcard to yourself from somewhere far away in the world (including
      line-breaks and country name, as this is an international project), where they
      have no knowledge of what you are used to as postal service... Short: make it
      easy for postmen around the world to find the addressee. :)
    • RFF User-Name
    I promise, that all your data is only used for the purpose of this project and
    will never given away for anything else! - This also means, I don't have
    addresses kept of previous rounds, so it is not enough to mail me with simply
    stating, you are in again - I need the currently valid address.
  • Timeframe: You can sent me your mails for
    participation until Saturday, April, 20., 2019,
    about four weeks from now on. After that, I close the list and send every
    participant the complete list one day later. Then I give another four weeks to
    shoot/choose the picture, create the postcards and mail them. Meaning, please
    try to send your postcards May, 20., 2019, latest.

You can expect around 30-35 people ususally per round, so you know about the
costs in advance: you need to create about that many postcards, buy stamps and
send them. But in return you receive as many great postcards!

Best regards,
Stephan

PS: Don't worry, if I don't answer each question to the project or
participation-mail immediatly (could be a day or two). If there is no answer
from me after a few days, try to write in this thread of PM me here in RFF.

Papercut 03-18-2019 15:13

Email sent. Big thanks to Stephan for organizing this yet again!!

Godfrey 03-19-2019 05:51

Email sent. Thanks for organizing another round, Stephan! :)

G

raid 03-19-2019 06:26

email sent. This should be fun again to participate in.

ColSebastianMoran 03-19-2019 06:41

Count me in! Email sent.

ColSebastianMoran 03-19-2019 06:56

Join in! Here's a sample of the kind of fun you'll have!


twvancamp 03-19-2019 07:39

I'm in!

Has anyone had luck with getting postcards printed through an online service? The place I get prints locally doesn't seem to offer them.

ColSebastianMoran 03-19-2019 07:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by twvancamp (Post 2876152)
Has anyone had luck with getting postcards printed through an online service? The place I get prints locally doesn't seem to offer them.

I use Staples Copy Print here in the US. Others have used Moo.

fdarnell 03-19-2019 08:53

I'm in. email sent.

Red Rock Bill 03-19-2019 10:28

email sent...I'm in
Bill

Papercut 03-19-2019 10:42

Cool way to advertise the best thing on RFF! That "mess" of cards looks great. :)


Quote:

Originally Posted by ColSebastianMoran (Post 2876145)
Join in! Here's a sample of the kind of fun you'll have!



dct 03-20-2019 00:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by ColSebastianMoran (Post 2876145)
Join in! Here's a sample of the kind of fun you'll have!





This is indeed a good idea to give some fresh air to my postcard projects collection
I like it!

Pherdinand 03-20-2019 01:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by ColSebastianMoran (Post 2876145)
Join in! Here's a sample of the kind of fun you'll have!


do i see a stereo print there on the right?? did someone make a stereo postcard?:D cool

bojanfurst 03-20-2019 02:28

I am in this time, too... Really looking forward to this.

Bojan

ninjin 03-20-2019 05:31

You bet I am in! Mail going out in a moment.

After analysing the sorting machine damage to the cards from the last round, I am fairly solidly in the "Let's make sure to send the cards in envelopes"-camp. For a summary of the analysis see the link below [1] – there is a MOO 15% off code in the post as well!

1: https://www.rangefinderforum.com/for...&postcount=263

I will go with MOO again for printing given their excellent quality. Also, I should code up an SVG postcard generator while I procrastinate over which photo to send you guys this time.

raid 03-20-2019 05:36

It always is a challenge to pick an image out that looks good at a small scale on a postcard. It can be very different from having a 16x20 print made.

rfaspen 03-20-2019 10:38

Should be another fun round.

I used Vistaprint for my cards last couple times. Seem to be fine? I don't know how they stand up to postal abuse though.


I usually don't mind the very minor marks on my cards, or slight bent corners, but a lot of my cards during the last couple rounds have been seriously marred. I think the Post Office got a new sorting machine and it very aggressively rips up poor little postcards. One or two cards were so badly damaged I couldn't figure out what the subject of the photo was.


I remember receiving one or two postcards in an envelope (perhaps during RFF Postcard #9?). That definitely protected the card, but here in the US, postage difference between a "letter" and "postcard" adds up. For domestic addresses, it's $0.55 for the envelope, and $0.35 for a postcard. For international addresses, it looks like the Post Office just increased the postcard rate to be the same as the letter rate, so now its $1.15 for envelope or postcard. Interesting. It used to be much cheaper for the international postcard stamp. I wish I had bought more of them last year (during RFF postcard 10) :(

Papercut 03-20-2019 10:44

I don't mind minor damage from the mailing at all. In fact, such marks make each postcard unique by showing the traces of its travel. Putting it in the envelop seems ridiculous to me. But, I have to admit that if I had had rfaspen's experience last round, I might feel rather differently. :)

kxl 03-20-2019 10:48

I’ve been in all of them so why stop now? I’m in again. Will send email shortly.

Also as always, if you need the Avery label template (in MS Word) with the participants’ addresses, just PM me with your email address and I’ll send you one.

telenous 03-20-2019 11:21

Yep, email sent. Very excited about this. Thanks for organizing, Stephan.

raid 03-20-2019 12:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by kxl (Post 2876368)
I’ve been in all of them so why stop now? I’m in again. Will send email shortly.

Also as always, if you need the Avery label template (in MS Word) with the participants’ addresses, just PM me with your email address and I’ll send you one.

Thank you, Keith. I love using your labels each year.

pyeh 03-20-2019 12:38

Count me in for this too. It will be my 2nd round.
Thanks, Stephan.

jkcampbell 03-20-2019 20:59

Email sent. The fun begins again! Cheers, jc

drewbarb 03-20-2019 21:52

I have not done one of these in a while, but it's high time I get back in. Email sent; thanks!

motion_runner 03-21-2019 05:53

The best thing on RFF! I’m in again.

lynnb 03-21-2019 05:59

OK I'm in.
Thanks Stephan.

mothertrucker 03-21-2019 08:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pherdinand (Post 2876296)
do i see a stereo print there on the right?? did someone make a stereo postcard?:D cool

Yeah, that was me!!

You can check it out on my website for full GIF effect.

http://www.argentography.com/2018/03...you-expecting/

Also, I'm in again this time.

skopar steve 03-21-2019 08:37

email sent. I'm in.

rfaspen 03-21-2019 12:55

Someone above expressed thanks to Keith for the Avery labels....

ME TOO! :D Thanks very much for those. One year, I just printed the "labels" on a sheet of paper, then cut it up into uhh...labels and then pasted them onto my cards. It was still easier than writing out each address. During the last couple rounds I got the right equipment and printed the labels as they were intended. Avery 2940? Right?

krötenblender 03-24-2019 11:47

Hello all,

this seems to be a successful start for this round: As of now, we have already 18 participants (including me). This is great! So many nice postcards to look forward to.

Keep'em coming! ;)

Regards,
Stephan

PS: If anyone here has no reply from me, yet, please send me a message via RFF. I think, I got all and also replied to all, but there is always the possibility of human error or technical failure...

jkcampbell 03-24-2019 15:19

Just my opinion but I'd rather not see the postcards sent in an envelope. To me part of the charm is the project IS a "postcard" exchange, not a "print" exchange. While no one wants a shredded postcard, marks and edge wear are part and parcel of something that has traveled sometimes thousands of miles with the wear and tear and the postmark to prove it. If you put it in an envelope it not really a postcard any more. Cheers, jc

analogangler 03-24-2019 17:27

I'm in! So excited! Now to make an image...

dfranklin 03-24-2019 19:01

I'm in this time, too. I will do wet prints on Ilford postcard stock. The last time I did this, my impression was that the RC finish held up pretty well in the mail.

dct 03-24-2019 23:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by jkcampbell (Post 2877242)
Just my opinion but I'd rather not see the postcards sent in an envelope. To me part of the charm is the project IS a "postcard" exchange, not a "print" exchange. While no one wants a shredded postcard, marks and edge wear are part and parcel of something that has traveled sometimes thousands of miles with the wear and tear and the postmark to prove it. If you put it in an envelope it not really a postcard any more. Cheers, jc

I concur.
Part of the joy is some wear and scratches on an postcard from far away. And all the postal stamps and remarks on the back side give also an important part of the "postcard charme".

Just sent my mail to Stephan: I'm officially in again!

krötenblender 03-25-2019 06:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by dct (Post 2877311)
I concur.
Part of the joy is some wear and scratches on an postcard from far away. And all the postal stamps and remarks on the back side give also an important part of the "postcard charme".

Yes, same here. I prefer the "raw" postcard-experience. For me, it's not about the perfect print, but for the postcard-experience.

Quote:

Originally Posted by dct (Post 2877311)
Just sent my mail to Stephan: I'm officially in again!

Glad to have you - and all the others.

ninjin 03-25-2019 09:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by krötenblender (Post 2877359)
Yes, same here. I prefer the "raw" postcard-experience. For me, it's not about the perfect print, but for the postcard-experience.

To me, it is not about “perfection”, but rather that some postcards last time got so damaged that it distracted from the subject and photo itself. Take Don Parsons’ lovely photo of the graves for example, it got so damaged that there is almost as if there is a spectre in the graveyard given the ~1cm wide and ~3cm tall white smudge that is now at the centre – add to this two odd purple “roll marks” over the lovely white fog. I am fine with dents and scratches, but when I find it difficult to see the actual composition itself – now that is a different beast entirely.

krötenblender 03-31-2019 10:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by ninjin (Post 2877372)
To me, it is not about “perfection”, but rather that some postcards last time got so damaged that it distracted from the subject and photo itself.

I can understand the frustration, if the cards are damaged so bad, that they are unrecognizable.

Let's try it this way: In the final address-list, I will add a remark to your address that you prefer an envelope with the print in it. But the project overall stays a postcards project, because this is, what it is and why we make it. Receiving a postcard is a totally different thing (for me, at least), than receiving a letter. E.g. I can talk to the postman about all the pictures, or when I come home, and my family arrived earlier, I find postcards posted to the mirror, where we have out keys. Would that be okay for you? Having your preference in the address-list and otherwise keep things the same for the rest of us?

krötenblender 03-31-2019 10:37

Short update: We are now at 24 participants and have three weeks to got before the deadline.

Godfrey 03-31-2019 22:38

Great stuff! I'm looking forward to picking a photo and making my postcards...

I manufacture mine entirely myself. I enjoy the process. And I always send them as postcards, not in envelopes, because to me that's what you ought to do with a postcard. I use heavy stock paper. I haven't heard any stories of my postcards being badly damaged in the mail..?

G

ninjin 03-31-2019 23:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by krötenblender (Post 2878706)
Let's try it this way: In the final address-list, I will add a remark to your address that you prefer an envelope with the print in it. But the project overall stays a postcards project, because this is, what it is and why we make it. Receiving a postcard is a totally different thing (for me, at least), than receiving a letter. E.g. I can talk to the postman about all the pictures, or when I come home, and my family arrived earlier, I find postcards posted to the mirror, where we have out keys. Would that be okay for you? Having your preference in the address-list and otherwise keep things the same for the rest of us?

Please, no need for special treatment of myself – especially as such a remark would bring undue pressure onto other participants. Sorry for having kept bringing up this point, my reasons were two-fold. Firstly, I frankly found it chocking how cruel the sorting machines were to some of the cards and suspected that unless I mentioned something others may not realise this and feel disappointed if they later hear that their creations did not just get a small mark here and there but something way more substantial. Simply put, I wanted everyone to have all the facts so that they can make an active choice. Secondly, I probably got a bit frustrated when I saw envelope usage being described as some sort search for perfection and felt the need to clarify that I am not a loupe/pixel peeper expecting you to deliver items to be auctioned off at Sotheby’s in a few decades. If perfection was the goal, there would be cardboard insets, etc. and it would take away all the fun we have with these projects – never allow me or anyone else to take the fun out of a hobby, then what is the point even?

If it is okay with everyone else, I am happy to conclude this whole envelope or no envelope discussion at this point and please know that I appreciate and will be happy to receive your creations in whatever shape or form they may arrive in.


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