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CameraQuest 05-04-2019 13:00

Steve Huff Review 35mm f/2 Ultron
 
https://www.stevehuffphoto.com/2019/...ge-perfection/

Ko.Fe. 05-04-2019 13:59

He reads "retro" and assumes it is retro in rendering. Retro ASPH lens.
What a tool.

https://lens-db.com/cosina-voigtland...rical-vm-2018/

aizan 05-04-2019 15:18

He says its sharpness is not comparable to the 35mm Summicron ASPH, even though Jon Manjiro and others' tests demonstrate that it is, and he shows nothing to back it up. Err...ok.

Scottboarding 05-04-2019 15:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ko.Fe. (Post 2885845)
He reads "retro" and assumes it is retro in rendering. Retro ASPH lens.
What a tool.

https://lens-db.com/cosina-voigtland...rical-vm-2018/

Exactly. Did he read into the lens in the slightest? That's the main headline of the lens description on every site I've seen it on.

jonmanjiro 05-04-2019 18:43

Quote:

Steve Huff: "First things first! This lens will not compete with uber modern day sharp as a tac “perfection” lenses. It will not compete in sharpness with a modern day Leica Summicron ASPH."
The "vintage" in appearance only Ultron does indeed compete with the Leica Summicron ASPH directly, and more than holds its own. I'd say its actually the sharper lens... sacrilege for a lens that's a quarter of the price of the Summicron :rolleyes:

Freakscene 05-04-2019 18:53

Maybe his copy was possessed. http://huffparanormal.com

Marty

bayernfan 05-04-2019 19:19

it's a close race between him and phoblographer for the worst gear reviews on the web.

kinch123 05-04-2019 20:27

Paranormal stuff aside, nobody could accuse the man of having peddled only camera porn online.

Teemō 05-04-2019 23:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by Freakscene (Post 2885862)
Maybe his copy was possessed. http://huffparanormal.com

Marty

Wow, I had no idea lol. What a lunatic and a fraud. :angel: :p

Gregm61 05-05-2019 00:57

OK.....I'm now off Steve Huff, even for just entertainment value......

Keith 05-05-2019 01:58

Suddenly Ken Rockwell's looking pretty good! lol :p

leicapixie 05-05-2019 02:22

I read Steve Huff's review.
It is positive, his images certainly give cause for ownership.
Neither KR or Steve Huff are "corporate Lackeys".
Mean, nasty comments are not what forums ought to be about.

maddoc 05-05-2019 02:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by kinch123 (Post 2885870)
Paranormal stuff aside, nobody could accuse the man of having peddled only camera porn online.

That brought back memories of some threads here and at LUF....

Out to Lunch 05-05-2019 02:55

...When the Going Gets Weird...

raid 05-05-2019 06:55

I wouldn't worry about any of the "Lens Evaluation Gurus Report". There is plenty of good material published on any lens you could buy these days. Best way is to get the lens and use it. Then decide whether to keep it or not.

Huss 05-05-2019 07:40

This thread took a turn.

How about discussing the lens? Personally I don't like the 'thrown together from whatever was lying around the shop' design, but I'm sure the glass is great.

Ko.Fe. 05-05-2019 07:53

Best way to discuss the lens is to look at the pictures. In review pictures I did not find anything retro or lomo. As for sharpness, it is hard to judge for it by pictures at high iso and handheld. According to Huff, Canon R doesn't handle this lens well, but Panasonic S1 does.
This is new trend in reviews, which I don't like, but lens official sellers do :). M mount lens on non Leica camera. I don't think it is the same, I don't take reviews like this as something I would see on my RF Leica.

ptpdprinter 05-05-2019 07:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by Huss (Post 2885947)
How about discussing the lens?

If you have never used the lens, you can't discuss it, which should limit the number of posts. I would, however, say I am skeptical of Steve Huff's conclusions. You would expect a modern designed lens with aspheric elements and ED glass to be on the sharp end of the scale, irrespective of retro mount cosmetics.

Takkun 05-05-2019 10:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ko.Fe. (Post 2885949)
Best way to discuss the lens is to look at the pictures. In review pictures I did not find anything retro or lomo. As for sharpness, it is hard to judge for it by pictures at high iso and handheld. According to Huff, Canon R doesn't handle this lens well, but Panasonic S1 does.
This is new trend in reviews, which I don't like, but lens official sellers do :). M mount lens on non Leica camera. I don't think it is the same, I don't take reviews like this as something I would see on my RF Leica.

I’m in agreement—stronger on the first point, less so on the second.

I’m not seeing anything in these photos that can really give me a conclusion on this lens. Can’t really tell sharpness or much of the bokeh, and only can spot a little bit of coma. Nice real-world pictures but nothing conclusive on what exactly makes this vintage. I’m just not seeing it.

At least whatever “character” doesn’t seem as pronounced as the Nokton, a lens I want to like more than I do. Is this supposed to replace the LTM Ultron ASPH?

As for M lenses on mirrorless cameras, I suppose that’s valuable info to many, but is completely irrelevant for me. I don’t know the mechanism why some lenses work better on some bodies than others, but I’d rather know how it handles on *my* camera. To each their own. (As an aside: are mirrorless shooters really using M mount lenses more than native mounts? A discussion for another thread)


Either way. I have enough 35s. Maybe I’m unique in this regard but I actually do like the ergonomic styling; looks a little like the old Nikkor S-mounts.

EDIT: I read the CameraQuest sales page on it, and saw Ko.Fe’s earlier post. I too assumed “vintage” meant image and not physical aesthetic, and the aspherical element threw me for a loop. Still, I’m not sure what this lens’ specific purpose is, between the 1.7 Ultron and the Nokton. Sometimes I have a really hard time keeping track of all of CV’s different offerings over the years.

ptpdprinter 05-05-2019 11:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by Takkun (Post 2885977)
I read the CameraQuest sales page on it, and saw Ko.Fe’s earlier post. I too assumed “vintage” meant image and not physical aesthetic, and the aspherical element threw me for a loop.

The vintage only applies to the mount cosmetics.

Takkun 05-05-2019 11:21

Yeah, that’s what I meant; initially assumed otherwise, and clearly Mr. Huff did too. Which makes the linked review even more baffling.

ptpdprinter 05-05-2019 11:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by Takkun (Post 2885979)
Yeah, that’s what I meant; initially assumed otherwise, and clearly Mr. Huff did too. Which makes the linked review even more baffling.

Never let the facts get in the way of a good story.

Here is a good one from his article on the Leica SL: "Over the last four years I have bought and then sold the Leica SL 3 times." I guess he needed the cash to fund his paranormal activities, and the SL was the most liquid asset he had.

Keith 05-05-2019 13:04

Well on the positive side the lens doesn't appear to have any ghosting issues ... though of course that may have been reported on his 'other' site! :angel:

Thanimal 05-05-2019 16:44

He seems to like the lens quite a lot; perhaps he thinks it's out of this world!

PRJ 05-05-2019 17:02

Let's get real. That dude is out of his mind.

He's either crazy or a con artist. Take your pick.

xayraa33 05-05-2019 17:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by PRJ (Post 2886025)
Let's get real. That dude is out of his mind.

He's either crazy or a con artist. Take your pick.

I don't know why he tarnished his photo gear rep like that.

He could have kept his spirit hunting sideline as a private hobby or sideline... unless you are right and is doing it to profit financially from it .

An auto radio signal scanner through a cheap solid state guitar amp gussied up by a compressor and reverb pedal with some Christmas tree lights for show is not going to impress most folks in this day and age.

Crazy Fedya 05-05-2019 17:18

Maybe a spirit of Robin Williams told him to do so??

xayraa33 05-05-2019 17:29

Spiritualism was big in the 19th century, complete with cheese-cloth ectoplasm.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ectoplasm_(paranormal)

aizan 05-05-2019 19:10

Which came first? The ghost hunting or the photography? Or did they go hand in hand? OoooOoooOoooOooo!!!


xayraa33 05-05-2019 19:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by aizan (Post 2886034)
Which came first? The ghost hunting or the photography? Or did they go hand in hand? OoooOoooOoooOooo!!!

Ghost hunting was around before photography.

Photography just made faked pics of ghosts all that easier at the worst scenario ( like the Brown Lady of Raynham Hall) and at the other end some researchers honestly believed that the soul could be photographed leaving the body at the moment of death and others earnestly believed that it was possible to capture the image of a ghost in places renowned for their haunting.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brown_...f_Raynham_Hall

teddy 05-05-2019 20:34

I have always respected Ken Rockwell's statements, even if he uses hyperbole a lot of the time. I don't get why people get offended - there's a lot of angry people out there; their problem. Steve Huff - what I really don't like about his gear reviews is that he nearly always over generalises camera gear. Then, I would rather not read ANYTHING, because all the lenses are good and the same.

One example: "Make no mistake, this lens feels just as solid and good as any Leica 35mm lens, and in some cases, it feels more solid."

Well - what is it, in some cases? Is it solid or more solid - just choose what it is.

I can't wait to save up and get this little Voigtlander.
First time I saw samples come up here at RFF - I could see it is GOOD!

peterm1 05-05-2019 21:50

I am disinclined to be overly critical of either Rockwell or Huff. I may not agree with everything they say on their blogs. (After all, who does agree with everything others say?) And they have their quirks and idiosyncrasies, as I admit do I.

But I want to give them credit for having a go. Getting out and doing something. Which most of us (myself included) have not done. There was a time when I thought about retiring from full time work and making a modest living or at least having fun from a blog reviewing cameras and making images but then I decided I was too lazy and that sounded too much like hard work. So instead I sat on my bum (though I do make some images which is the fun part).

Fellas, please leave the gratuitous and snippy remarks and personal attacks aside, it does not reflect well on this site or its membership.

Michael Markey 05-05-2019 22:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by peterm1 (Post 2886046)
I am disinclined to be overly critical of either Rockwell or Huff. I may not agree with everything they say on their blogs. (After all, who does agree with everything others say?) And they have their quirks and idiosyncrasies, as I admit do I.


Fellas, please leave the gratuitous and snippy remarks and personal attacks aside, it does not reflect well on this site or its membership.


Totally agree Peter.
Reading reviews by Rockwell or Huff or indeed on this site should be read with caution.
You still have to think for yourself …. it`s your money .

aizan 05-05-2019 22:51

while the common disdain for huff could be boiled down to a matter of players vs. haters, i think it goes deeper than that.

basically, huff is the manifestation of post-truth politics in the online photographic community. that's why it's so funny that he's a ghost hunter.

jarski 05-06-2019 00:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by aizan (Post 2886049)
...

basically, huff is the manifestation of post-truth politics in the online photographic community. that's why it's so funny that he's a ghost hunter.

interesting viewpoint, would have not come to such a conclusion. am not viewing photographic or other hobby community, online or not, as a something political. Huff has his style of doing gear reviews and previews, and am not a big fan personally, but never felt that he would try inject political message into his videos.

Keith 05-06-2019 01:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by Freakscene (Post 2885862)
Maybe his copy was possessed. http://huffparanormal.com

Marty


I don't give a damn about what we should or shouldn't be saying about Mr Huff ... in my book this is pure snake oil. I'm kind of wishing I didn't know about it but what has been seen can't be unseen.

His opinions on anything photographic hence forth mean absolutely zero to me!

michaelwj 05-06-2019 01:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by Keith (Post 2886061)
I don't give a damn about what we should or shouldn't be saying about Mr Huff ... in my book this is pure snake oil. I'm kind of wishing I didn't know about it but what has been seen can't be unseen.

His opinions on anything photographic hence forth mean absolutely zero to me!

But the classic Portal is only $1499, and you get to choose the colour of the LEDs.
He doesn’t seem to sell snake oil though. But he did test the oil from a bible. I won’t spoil the surprise. http://huffparanormal.com/2019/03/i-...-what-happens/

Freakscene 05-06-2019 02:14

I understand that Steve Huff takes no responsibility if evil spirits creep in and/or come through the box. What I fear are flare, spherical or chromatic aberration, focus shift and field curvature.

leicapixie 05-06-2019 02:24

I almost never buy a lens anymore!
My Collapsible Summicron (used) bought in '67!
It's fun to read but I am to busy making photos and images..
Have even used factory prototypes from Leica and others..
A lens is a lens..some better some worse.

PunkFunkDunk 05-06-2019 02:37

The Huff is not the problem. The problem is Voigtlander and their bizarre design of this lens. I mean, once they produced what looks like very, very good optics for a 35/2, how freaking hard could it have been to house the glass in a modest, all black, symmetrical barrel design with a focus tab instead of a poxy stick? Hell, even 7 Artisans managed a decent design for their 35/2, albeit with a truly hideous typeface used in the branding. If Voigtlander put out such a package with what looks like incredible glass for the price to performance ratio, they would have killed the desire for the expensive Summicron ... except for the dentists. But instead, like their 50/3.5 Heliar and the 50/1.5 Nokton, they put out great glass in hideous bodies with awful ergonomics. Wetzlar never made it look so easy ... even if any designer with a decent eye can tell you to avoid the faux vintage look and just keep it simple stupid.


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