Old 06-02-2017   #41
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In terms of Raw film cost:

A roll of FP4 in 120 at my local film store with a student discount costs me £4.20
Shooting 12 frames on a 6x6 camera in turn costs me 35p a frame.

Looking at ebay currently I would most likely go for 150 FT of kodak pan that has been freezer stored costing a total of £216.95 incl shipping.

Dividing that total by 10 should give me the number for 15 feet of 70mm film which is £21.70 Rounded up.

15 feet should give me 70 6x6 exposures using a hasselblad a70 film back still making 6x6 exposures so taking 21.70 dividing it by 70 gives a cost per frame of about 31P

If my maths are correct it means that shooting 70mm film at the average price for something freezer stored on ebay is 4 pence cheaper per frame. Not sure how it is over there in the US
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You would also have the costs of the 70mm film cartridges, and some kind of 70mm developing tank. These do not come along every day. This is not for everybody.

Also if it's an important job you would need to test it and be confident and solid with it. This will be on you to do.
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You would also have the costs of the 70mm film cartridges, and some kind of 70mm developing tank. These do not come along every day. This is not for everybody.

Also if it's an important job you would need to test it and be confident and solid with it. This will be on you to do.
Im fine with the intitial investment in tanks etc as it is well worth the convenience and the slightly cheaper cost per frame. Its more just finding the right film and all of the above things you have conveniently covered in this thread.

Currently job hunting for this summer but if I get a job I might actually start doing this as for full day events as this could be fantastic in saving me time.
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KODAK HIGH SPEED INFARED IN 120 SIZE!

Look at this. I bought six rolls myself of his film, and I still have five rolls of it in the deep freeze. He slit down Kodak 70mm 2424 High Speed Infared (this is EXACTLY the same emulsion as 35mm Kodak High Speed Infared), and respooled it in 120 Kodak Portra backing paper.

See here:

http://www.davidromano.com/Film.html

Now......... I have an unopened box of 70mm High Speed Infared 150 feet. So I can use it in 70mm long rolls, or respool it to 120 size as David Romano did. This is probably the rarest and most precious 70mm film I could own. I still can't believe that I have it!
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BULK LOADING 120 FILM

From the internet, here is a home made 70mm to 120 size film slitter.
This is for slitting 70mm film, then re-using the 120 backing paper and respooling it all together.
I have never done this myself, but I certainly have enough 70mm film to try it!

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And here is the 3D model of the Jobo 120/220 reel adapter, to accommodate 70mm film. This will take a short piece of 70mm
But it will fit in a Jobo multi tank 2500 series. Useful! This would be fantastic for test-developing a couple of feet of 70mm film.
I could see using this quite a bit.

Someone here should make these adapters. I would buy one!

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Im fine with the intitial investment in tanks etc as it is well worth the convenience and the slightly cheaper cost per frame. Its more just finding the right film and all of the above things you have conveniently covered in this thread. Currently job hunting for this summer but if I get a job I might actually start doing this as for full day events as this could be fantastic in saving me time.
Jake,

I shopped for cheaper 70mm film for several years and in time found it. I don't think I paid over $50 for any of my rolls; even a 500' roll of Plus-X Aero Recon (Well that might have been $80 but it was 500 feet!). As I have said prices are all over the place. Rollei has fresh Infared 400 for 88 Euros for 30.5 meters. You might want to try some of that. I have bought numerous times from Maco Direct in Germany and they are a good resource. https://www.macodirect.de/en/film/in...s-70mm-x-30.5m

There is cheaper 70mm film that comes up on Ebay; Just be ready for it. There is a cheap roll of 2402 Plus-X on there right now. Just make sure it is type II perfed 70mm film to work in Hasselblad or RB67. And make sure to test it!

Let us know how it goes!

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And here is the elusive JOBO 70mm Reel and Tank. You can put an inversion watertight cap on this quite easily. So this is the third choice for 70mm tanks and reels that I know of.

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I hope this thread is helpful for those who have contemplated jumping into 70mm. There is a lot to have to work out and I intend to keeping adding posts as things progress.
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I hope this thread is helpful for those who have contemplated jumping into 70mm. There is a lot to have to work out and I intend to keeping adding posts as things progress.
Dude this thread is what we all needed but never knew we did, ive spent countless hours trying to research any of this and came out with maybe one piece of info 10 pages down an APUG post from the early 2000s but you have summed it up in one post
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There is a Rollei 400S Infared User Group on Flikr.
https://www.flickr.com/groups/197278...h/33643388652/
Looks like interesting usuable 70mm film; Without it filter it looks pretty normal. And a moderate infared effect with IR filtering.

It is a bit of a bargain for fresh 70mm film at 88 Euros for 30.5 meters!
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http://www.ultrafineonline.com/ilhp400ulfpr23.html

Apparently Ilford is making 50 foot rolls of 70mm HP5+ this year; I have no specifics. Best to check with a participating Ilford ULF dealer. Looks like this year they are doing perforated type II and non-perforated 70mm in 50 foot cans
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Back when I was working, we shot a ton of 70mm Kodak Aerochrome CIR film, all for the Michigan Department of Natural Resources. CIR is a wonderful tool in helping to identify forest cover types and forest heath issues. We used a Rolleiflex 6003 with a 70mm back. We also shot some 70mm B&W which I processed in my home darkroom. I’m pretty sure I still have some 70mm stuff still stashed away in a closet.

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Back when I was working, we shot a ton of 70mm Kodak Aerochrome CIR film, all for the Michigan Department of Natural Resources. CIR is a wonderful tool in helping to identify forest cover types and forest heath issues. We used a Rolleiflex 6003 with a 70mm back. We also shot some 70mm B&W which I processed in my home darkroom. I’m pretty sure I still have some 70mm stuff still stashed away in a closet.

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Nice! Thanks for your contribution. It is good to know that I am not the only one interested in 70mm.
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Quite interesting. I myself do not have any 70mm capable cameras so it is a format I haven't looked into much, and often thought the gauge as much more ciné oriented. There were some well used applications like Space use, Apollo moon missions!
Did a quick google and 65mm seems to be equivalent to 70mm (oh, nomenclature!). With it, there are reports of people turning shorts ends into 120 film (cinestill aside).

Ilford's custom run just closed orders last weeks I see.
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Agfa was coating 70mm scientific film (for aerial photography) a few years back, don’t know if the they still are. Mostly B&W. It was pricey though, you had to order a minimum number of rolls. We looked into it, but decided to pass.

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What I found hiding in my darkroom closet.



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Agfa was coating 70mm scientific film (for aerial photography) a few years back, don’t know if the they still are. Mostly B&W. It was pricey though, you had to order a minimum number of rolls. We looked into it, but decided to pass. Jim B.


I have two rolls of 70mm Agfa Aviphot; One roll of color & one roll of B&W.
I have not had the opportunity to try these yet.

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There is 70mm Agfa film on Ebay right now.............
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The Color 70mm Agfa Aviphot I bought here:

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Quite interesting. I myself do not have any 70mm capable cameras so it is a format I haven't looked into much, and often thought the gauge as much more ciné oriented. There were some well used applications like Space use, Apollo moon missions!
Did a quick google and 65mm seems to be equivalent to 70mm (oh, nomenclature!). With it, there are reports of people turning shorts ends into 120 film (cinestill aside).

Ilford's custom run just closed orders last weeks I see.
Jorde,

Baby Linhofs can use a "Cine" Rolliex back and get 53 6x7 exposures. These Cine Roliexes are available for 2x3 and 4x5 Linhofs.

Dan,

I did some data mining and 15 feet of film in a Cine Roliex is 53 6x7 exposures.

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I saw a listing for one of those, but for crazy money. You are a lucky dog.

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Dan, I did some data mining and 15 feet of film in a Cine Roliex is 53 6x7 exposures. Cal

Cal,

That is good to know. I have not used my 70mm Cine Rollex back as of yet. But I do plan to

I have been told that there is a "pawl" inside which can wear down, but other than that, these Cine Rollex backs can last forever.
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So now I have a good idea what 70mm films I have in stock. Time to begin systemically testing each of them. I have loaded a Kodak 70mm cassette (and Hasselblad A70 magazine) with 70mm (original) Plus-X. This is the consumer-grade Plus-X, not an aerial film. Expiration dates are 1981-1982 era. I have loaded about ten feet, which is a decent amount of this film to expose. I'm exposing it at EI 125, EI 64, and EI 32. I planning to process it in my usual Legacy Mic-X, which is a Microdol-X type of developer. I replenish my Mic-X and I always use it in stock solution. Expired Plus-X is usually completely usuable, although this may have some base fog. By overexposing it I want shadow detail above the base fog level. Soft development should help and I love the Mic-X tonality I am getting with other films. Another developer possibility might be HC-110, as it is kind to very old film.

It will be interesting to try this, I have a lot of this particular film stock, all from the same source.
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Dan,

I purchased a black Linhof Cine Rolliex for $100.00. 53 exposure 6x7 capabilities with a 15 foot load. Came without cassettes and is for a Graftek 4x5 and not 2x3. Understand that the film "insert" (film transport section) will work in a 2x3 Graftek mount "shell" and in a modular manner the inserts are interchangeable in either shell mount to fit either sized camera (2x3 or 4x5).

I have two pairs of empty cassettes incoming, and a rare black Linhof 4.5x6 Cine Rolliex coming in from Germany. I am hopeful that I can remove the 4.5x6 mask so I can use the 6x7 insert to cover both formats with the same shell: with; and without mask. I figure that the 4.5x6 format on 15 feet of film will give me about 85 frames before needing to reload.

I know Linhof's are extra heavy, but Diane Arbus is reported to have carried three loaded Rollies in a knapsack; and if you study her contact sheets you can tell she was trying to shoot medium format like a Leica. Not sure if even three Rollie 3.5's are heavier than one baby Linhof.

Also know that I have a Super Rolliex 120 back. I weighed the 120 back against the Cine back (without cassettes), and I was surprised that a digital bike scale indicated the 120 and Cine backs weigh the same: 1.71 pounds; granted that the cassettes and the added film are not included if the back was loaded and ready to shoot.

So Linhof's are built like tanks, but now I'm adding "Firepower." Know that in the past I have carried pairs of medium format cameras so have the capability to always have another loaded camera. Rollie 3.5 and Plaubel 69W Proshift; Fuji GM670 and Fuji GL690; Plubel 69W and Fuji GL690; Rollie 3.5 F and Tele Rollieflex...

Anyways only having 12, 10 or 8 exposures means a lot of missed shots and reloading. In the past it was typical to shoot 12-18 rolls walking all in NYC in a day. I only have one roll of 220 saved.

I think I will go with HP5 and bulk up. I'm familiar with ID-11 and Microphen for 400 and 650 ISO's, but Perceptol allows for a pull to 200 ISO. So my idea is to go with one film and use different developers for speed change.

I still have to get a 15 foot reel and tank.

So my two "Beast Rigs" are: a 2x3 Tech IV with a Zeiss 100/2.8 Planar; and a 2x3 Tech V with a Zeiss 53/4.5 Biogon. All I need is a normal and a wide, but it is doubtful I will carry both cameras at the same time.

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Cal,

That sounds really cool to me. Good that you have a Linhof tech advising you. I was not aware they have a 4.5 back but they made so MUCH stuff....

Let us know how it goes securing HP5+ I know it's a special order but I have never inquired. I've got plenty of film to test and shoot so I am not familar with their ULF program. And there is always fresh Rollei 400S in Germany, and 70mm from Ebay.

I have bought two or three (sometimes) broken units and build them into one workable, with my Plaubel Makiflexes. So I appreciate your efforts with the baby Techs. Have you made any test photos yet?

Once you get thjs going it would be great if you can post results here. Good Luck to you.

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Now that you have a Hasselblad, are you still going to give 70mm a go?

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That sounds really cool to me. Good that you have a Linhof tech advising you. I was not aware they have a 4.5 back but they made so MUCH stuff....

Let us know how it goes securing HP5+ I know it's a special order but I have never inquired. I've got plenty of film to test and shoot so I am not familar with their ULF program. And there is always fresh Rollei 400S in Germany, and 70mm from Ebay.

I have bought two or three (sometimes) broken units and build them into one workable, with my Plaubel Makiflexes. So I appreciate your efforts with the baby Techs. Have you made any test photos yet?

Once you get thjs going it would be great if you can post results here. Good Luck to you.

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Dan,

With "Linhof Disease" I also have a two Polaroid backs: one 2x3; and a second one my Personal Linhof Consultant created by 3-D printing a Graflok interface onto an off the shelf Polaroid back. The homebrew Polaroid uses the full frame of Fuji FP-100 I stockpiled, but know that it has no darkslide. Pretty much you load the camera until you run out of film before being able to change the back.

Then I have 2x3 Grapfmatics, and 2x3 Linhof double sided sheet holders.

Still I have a 120 Super Rolliex for 10 6x7 exposures.

Last night I weighed my Rollie 3.5F on the digital bike scale and it weighed in at 2 3/4 pounds. So when Diane Arbus carried three loaded Rollies in a knapsack so she could shoot like a Leica she carried about 8 1/4 pounds in camera alone.

My Tech V with the 53 Biogon only weighs 7.8 pounds rigged with "Firepower." Now I'm thinking that shooting 70mm is kinda practical and not really that crazy. If you buy and use a Linhof, basically it is like getting a free gym membership. LOL.

The Tech IV with 100/2.8 Planar is about a half pound lighter and folds with the lens mounted.

I am currently waiting: for the 645 Cine to arrive from Germany; for 70mm Cassettes to arrive from England; and I still need a 70mm reel and tank that can handle 15 feet of film.

I am sure to gain notoriety here in NYC. I never see Linhof's "in the wild" meaning on the street, except my Private Linhof Consultant. I am good friends with Louis Mendez. I ran into Louis at the Armory in the Upper Eastside, and he asked me if I was hanging around because he wanted to get some lunch. So he left me with his rigged Crown Graphic and his equipment case on a hand truck.

So pretty much the mojo and vibe spread from the Crown Graphic and a crowd gathered around me at this Armory Show. One of Louis' friends questioned me why I had Louis' gear and bluntly asked me, "Where's Louis?" He basically stood by like a body guard until Louis returned about 20 minutes later. So I expect that Baby Linhof's will be kinda like Louis' Crown Graphic and will become part of my "branding." LOL.

Know that I have hit a tipping point where I now own more medium format cameras than 35mm cameras.

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Cal,

Speaking of BEAST rigs..................

I've been cleaning my studio. Here are two of my Makiflexes, on my Plaubel Peco Profia Camera Stand. Every studio needs a good camera stand.

This thing could support the front end of a car. LOL

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Speaking of BEAST rigs..................

I've been cleaning my studio. Here are two of my Makiflexes, on my Plaubel Peco Profia Camera Stand. Every studio needs a good camera stand.

This thing could support the front end of a car. LOL
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Dan,

You are my kinda guy. Looks like that camera stand could be used as an engine stand. LOL.

BTW I had an 84 Jeep Scrambler that I installed a ZZ3 crate motor (350 HP 400 foot pound Corvette engine), NV4500 (literally a 200 pound cast iron tranny) Ford nine inch rear with Lincoln Continental disc brakes, and of course was lifted and had big tires.

Pretty much built an urban assault vehicle before they made a HumVee.

BTW those Maraflexes seem as crazy as a Linhof.

Still waiting for incoming Cine, 70mm cassettes...

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Here is my stash of 70mm Kodak High Speed Infared film. This is exactly the same emulsion that used to come in 35mm rolls. Just medium format sized. Unlike 35mm HIE, this 120 HIE film can be daylight loaded. A huge advantage.

On the left, an unopened 150 foot can of 2424, and on the right, six respooled rolls of 70mm 2424 that are 120 sized. These unexposed rolls came from http://www.davidromano.com/Film.html

I'm saving this film for the future, although it needs to be tested. I shot a lot of 35mm High Speed Infared in the '90s, and always developed it in Kodak D-19 developer.

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One of my Makiflexes with the Linhof 70mm Cine Rollex I acquired for $50. Had to do a leather job on it. Twas peelin'

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***HOW TO SHOOT 70MM UNPERFORATED FILM IN THE HASSELBLAD A70 FILM MAGAZINE***


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Now that you have a Hasselblad, are you still going to give 70mm a go?

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Ive been looking into it and it has been spurred on by shooting backstage and catwalk at London fashion week with the RB67 where I shot 19 rolls and was constantly reloading. However, I will have to start acquiring 70mm equipment after I get a lens on the hassy which is my first priority.

I may actually contact Maco who make the rollei film and ask if they will do an order of 80s in 70mm as that itself used to be an Ariel film so it might as well be worth just asking if theyll cut some.
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could use some more info about that. Could be incredible as there is currently some Unperfed portra 160 NC on ebay
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could use some more info about that. Could be incredible as there is currently some Unperfed portra 160 NC on ebay
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I can vouch for it! It works a charm. Very Kewl!
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Old 06-13-2017   #75
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Didn't know any of this even existed. Very cool!
All new to me too.
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Another possibility for 70mm is the Graflex XL RH/50. This was made in two versions; one for the Graflex XL cameras (very nice system rangefinder cameras!) and a version for Graflok Cameras (like my Sinar Normas or Plaubel Makiflexes). Unfortunately this one is too big to fit the RB67..........

Great thing is that (like the Beatty Coleman) it works with perfed or non-perfed 70mm film. That is a very very big deal.............

Graphic RH 50 70mm Film Backs for Graflex XL - 2 by S. Katz, on Flickr

Very fine lenses for the XL Graflex, too. I think the 100mm covers 6x7 but prolly not the 80mm F2.8 Planar. I own a 58mm Grandagon XL lens that I modified to work on my 4x5 Sinar Norma cameras. It -almost- covers 4x5. In fact it will work if forward-focused.

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The Linhof Press 70 and Technika 70 cameras were designed to work with 70mm film. Cool Cameras!

Linhof press 70 by ShianHau Chen, on Flickr

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All new to me too.
Thanks for your comment!

I will continue adding to this thread; Hopefully it helps those who are TRYING to get all this info and pull it all together. It's a lot of work to do 70mm but it can be worth it in terms of capabilities.
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Surplus Shed has a few 70mm things for sale; aerial camera backs mostly, but a few other bits.
This might be a start for something interesting though:
http://www.surplusshed.com/pages/item/i1481.html

And, they have a few film backs from the "70mm type 18 periscope " camera with film loaded. :
http://www.surplusshed.com/pages/item/i1481.html

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Surplus Shed has a few 70mm things for sale; aerial camera backs mostly, but a few other bits.
This might be a start for something interesting though:
http://www.surplusshed.com/pages/item/i1481.html

And, they have a few film backs from the "70mm type 18 periscope " camera with film loaded. :
http://www.surplusshed.com/pages/item/i1481.html

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