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Old 04-30-2019   #41
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Were I interested in one, which I am wholeheartedly not, I can barely afford the used M9 I have. I cling to the M9 series because I am taken with the clarity I see in the CCD images. I have a full frame CMOS camera now, I don't need the latest from Leica.
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Old 04-30-2019   #42
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Regarding the commemorative editions, it would have to have some serious significance to me. Perhaps commemorating a person or event that had a real impact on my life. I doubt such a camera will ever exist.

Regarding a purely aesthetic limited edition, it would have to be understated. Sleek, functional, and under the radar.
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Old 04-30-2019   #43
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No.........
Even though I love Leica, the camera is a tool
why would I need a ‘special edition’
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Still, it is in my opinion not suitable to do. Digital camera become outdated.


That doesn't mean they become unusable, Raid. My Olympus E-1 was made in 2003, was totally obsolete in terms of models and functionality by 2007, but even today makes lovely photographs when I use it. Who cares whether a camera is obsolete as long as it does the job you want it to?

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Exactly.




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No, I would rather spend the money on a future proof Leica that makes great pictures and whose value and reliability have a proven record...something like an original hockey stick Leica I.
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I take pictures with my MM, I take it that it is a limited edition by now.
Would any fancy bling edition version take better pictures? I don't think so.
I'll take a pass on any of these "shake my head" versions.
I taped the red dot on any of my cameras that carry one. No one needs to get any message from the camera I carry.
If they feel to they can comment on my photographs, in case I show 'em.
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That stuff turns my stomach.

Unlike caviar, or toro or uni. That's where I'd put my money, if it was limitless.
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Every digital Leica ever sold qualifies as such.
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Old 05-01-2019   #51
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That doesn't mean they become unusable, Raid. My Olympus E-1 was made in 2003, was totally obsolete in terms of models and functionality by 2007, but even today makes lovely photographs when I use it. Who cares whether a camera is obsolete as long as it does the job you want it to?

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No, I never said that digital cameras become unusable. I still use old digital cameras quite a lot.
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I think this question would be a lot easier to answer if limited editions:

A) Usually looked good
B) Weren't shameless cash grabs

The limited editions whose design I like or that introduce new functionality are fine by me, and I'd buy them if I had the cash to burn.

Rare items, variants, and historically important cameras are more interesting and valuable to collectors, though. If I was wealthy AF, I'd be investing for real at Westlicht/Leitz Photographica Auction.
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Would you buy a limited edition digital Leica?
Yes - I bought the M-P 240 Safari in April of 2015. Regarding "shameless cash grabs," the Safari kit was actually less expensive than buying an M-P 240 and a chrome 35 Summichron ASPH would have been, which is what prompted me to upgrade from my black M240.


I have never grown tired of the olive green & chrome finish.

The limited edition M cameras are a mixed bag - some look great like the Safari cameras and the Monochrom 246 Stealth edition while some are uglier than a bag of rotten xxxxxx.
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Compared to the quantity of other well known makes, all digital Leica’s are ‘limited edition’.
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Old 07-21-2019   #55
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At first I blew off the question...

but got to thinking about LE of other products such as watches... all watches tell time and except for complications it's mostly about aesthetics... I have a couple that I enjoy wearing.

At the end of the day I guess I wouldn't reject a LE Leica but it really depends on the kit. Film only, not interested in digital at the moment...
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Old 07-21-2019   #56
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The limited edition film bodies don't seem to have any physical functions which distinguish themselves from their original production lines. Their differences are all cosmetic or material, like the titanium MP (gorgeous), anthracite MP (also gorgeous), Millennium M6 TTL (so lovely) and the MP-6.


Digital versions can actually have functional differences, like the unusual Cinematography version which has film simulations and cinema aspect ratio guidelines in the digital display. As I said before, material difference digital editions can be really neat, like the titanium M9 and M-P 240.
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A lot of people seem happy with the O series clone and its modern lens. And one of two digital limited editions turn up from time to time as silly/affordable prices.


At least the O series was limited to 2000 copies, I guess that makes it a LE...



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The problem is the limited shelf life of digital cameras. After a few years, all you are left with is a limited-edition door stopper.
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Shelf life of Digitals is only limited by the owners need to have the latest and greatest. I have an Epson R-D1 from the middle '90s that still makes wonderful image quality.
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Old 08-01-2019   #61
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Yes, that is a great camera. A nice tribute here: https://www.youtube.com/
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Old 08-01-2019   #62
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Would you buy one? And if so, which one?

Potentially yes, if only because it seems to be the only way you can buy a digital M that doesn't have that horrible red dot.


All hypothetical of course, given my bank account
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I went the opposite route. I got a stripped down used M Type 262. But I do love all those limited editions. Some of them are right purdy.
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Yes - I bought the M-P 240 Safari in April of 2015. Regarding "shameless cash grabs," the Safari kit was actually less expensive than buying an M-P 240 and a chrome 35 Summichron ASPH would have been, which is what prompted me to upgrade from my black M240.


I have never grown tired of the olive green & chrome finish.

The limited edition M cameras are a mixed bag - some look great like the Safari cameras and the Monochrom 246 Stealth edition while some are uglier than a bag of rotten xxxxxx.

After nothing but black camera bodies ever since a Nikon D50 (damn, that’s a long time ago) I grew tired of the same body color and particularly of Leica black chrome. Bought an M10-P Safari for same price as the others and it just looks cool. Visually more appealing. There’s something to that.
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Shelf life of Digitals is only limited by the owners need to have the latest and greatest. I have an Epson R-D1 from the middle '90s that still makes wonderful image quality.
Mid 200X, more likely. I seem to recall that my Canon EOS D30 (3 mp) was introduced in 2001+/-1 year or so. I certainly bought it second-hand during spring 2003 at about 1/3 of its price as new.

OTOH, I still use what I replaced it with in 2006, a Canon EOS 30D (8mp), so I do agree with the point you make, although you are off by 10 years..
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There is nothing classical about a digital camera. I view such cameras as practical solutions.

Good take, this. How does any company promote a "classic" model while simultaneously pushing the upgrade treadmill typical of, among many things, digital cameras? "Classics" come out of an environment of 'A Lifetime of Great Photography', and saving perhaps two months of family income to purchase an M3 that your grand-daughter now uses. Digital image capture hasn't even been around long enough to be thinking of 'classic-ness'.
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I've been following this topic with some interest. I conceived of and helped Leica produce the LHSA special editions since the Black Paint M6TTL. I was disappointed with the typical special editions Leica had done with the LHSA prior to the black paint cameras. I agree there is nothing "special" about engravings and body covering making a camera special, as Leica eventually did with the a la carte program. The black paint was the first baby step, with a finish Leica no longer did for regular production, even questioning why anyone would want the inferior black paint finish compared to the "superior" black chrome.
Hammertone was the next up and I wanted to do a finish that had only been done to special order for ten MD cameras. We also did a "retro" version of the 35/2 for it.
Pulled out all the stops with the MP3. I wanted to give everyone a chance to own an MP as close to the original. We did the "retro" classic 50 Lux with it, which turned out to be a hit on its own and Leica has done several versions of it since.
The recent 50 APO LHSA Special was the latest endevour, and sold out immediately after the intro.
I am very proud of how well received these specials have been, the idea to be offering something really different or something that had become unobtanium like the original Hammertone or MP camera.
We considered doing a special edition digital camera, but that did not happen for various reasons. Unfortunately unlike film cameras, digital cameras are somewhat disposable after a number of years, so not a sound basis for a limited edition.
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Never... waste of money, I photograph I don't collect cameras.... Give me the regular production camera any day..
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Being a tight git I would not dream of paying extra for a limited edition of a camera unless it was something like £5 more That being said I do love cameras with alternatives to the usual black leather and a nice green will always appeal but cameras are purchased to take photographs and I would not pay significant amounts more for a pretty version.
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I've been following this topic with some interest. I conceived of and helped Leica produce the LHSA special editions since the Black Paint M6TTL. I was disappointed with the typical special editions Leica had done with the LHSA prior to the black paint cameras. I agree there is nothing "special" about engravings and body covering making a camera special, as Leica eventually did with the a la carte program. The black paint was the first baby step, with a finish Leica no longer did for regular production, even questioning why anyone would want the inferior black paint finish compared to the "superior" black chrome.
Hammertone was the next up and I wanted to do a finish that had only been done to special order for ten MD cameras. We also did a "retro" version of the 35/2 for it.
Pulled out all the stops with the MP3. I wanted to give everyone a chance to own an MP as close to the original. We did the "retro" classic 50 Lux with it, which turned out to be a hit on its own and Leica has done several versions of it since.
The recent 50 APO LHSA Special was the latest endevour, and sold out immediately after the intro.
I am very proud of how well received these specials have been, the idea to be offering something really different or something that had become unobtanium like the original Hammertone or MP camera.
We considered doing a special edition digital camera, but that did not happen for various reasons. Unfortunately unlike film cameras, digital cameras are somewhat disposable after a number of years, so not a sound basis for a limited edition.
How did I miss this reply? Thank you for the thought and input that has gone into the special edition film bodies. Did you have anything to do with the anthracite or full titanium MP? An anthracite MP is a contender for my dream camera. I've seen three in shops; two in Hong Kong, one in Japan. Each time, it was out of my budget, and now they are so rare and expensive it's ridiculous.

Do you get much feedback about whether the special editions are being used or just collected? I met a man in Melbourne who was using his MP-6. It looked so good!
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I've been following this topic with some interest. I conceived of and helped Leica produce the LHSA special editions since the Black Paint M6TTL. I was disappointed with the typical special editions Leica had done with the LHSA prior to the black paint cameras. I agree there is nothing "special" about engravings and body covering making a camera special, as Leica eventually did with the a la carte program. The black paint was the first baby step, with a finish Leica no longer did for regular production, even questioning why anyone would want the inferior black paint finish compared to the "superior" black chrome.
Hammertone was the next up and I wanted to do a finish that had only been done to special order for ten MD cameras. We also did a "retro" version of the 35/2 for it.
Pulled out all the stops with the MP3. I wanted to give everyone a chance to own an MP as close to the original. We did the "retro" classic 50 Lux with it, which turned out to be a hit on its own and Leica has done several versions of it since.
The recent 50 APO LHSA Special was the latest endevour, and sold out immediately after the intro.
I am very proud of how well received these specials have been, the idea to be offering something really different or something that had become unobtanium like the original Hammertone or MP camera.
We considered doing a special edition digital camera, but that did not happen for various reasons. Unfortunately unlike film cameras, digital cameras are somewhat disposable after a number of years, so not a sound basis for a limited edition.
Interesting to hear your input on this. What do you think of the fact that Leica is no longer supporting the M6TTL? Those lovely special editions are now also somewhat disposable...
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And the other pita is buying one second hand and finding someone else's name engraved on it...


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Even if I had unlimited funds, this would be a hard pass for me. I already feel that digital Leica's are overpriced for what they are. A company charging more money for something cheaper to manufacture tends to turn me off. That alone would prevent me from purchasing such a camera. Add to the mix that I dislike limited editions (the majority of which I find cheesy at best) and you are essentially wrapping a camera that does not interest me in a limited edition configuration that turns me off and the end result is rather repulsive as far as I'm concerned. That is not to say that someone couldn't produce wonderful images with such a camera, but it just wouldn't be for me.
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Unfortunately unlike film cameras, digital cameras are somewhat disposable after a number of years, so not a sound basis for a limited edition.
Yet Leica continues to churn them out. Apparently, some people can't seem to resist them.
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No way would I buy a "Limited Edition" digital camera. Electronics survivability after many years is too uncertain.

If I had $35,000 to buy a camera I would look for a Leica I(A), ideally with an Anastigmat or Elmax and (hopefully) in user/working condition.
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I have bought limited edition Leica film cameras because I wanted the black paint lenses. Too bad I didn’t keep the bodies because they are worth 8 to 10 times now. I am not interested in digital so likely not.
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No, I wouldn't.
Their regular edition equipment is already over-priced and over-hyped, and offers no discernable improvement in image quality over the Nikon gear I've always used, so why would I be further fleeced by the cleverness of Leica's marketing weasels?
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Just looked at one of my cheap, secondhand limited edition Leicas and the instructions in German show the menu screens are in English. That suggests you have to be bilingual to use them if only one language is available. I forgot to look and check that it was American English, which would be worse...


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