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I'm thisclose to replacing all my M gear with an X-Pro2
Old 06-28-2017   #1
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I'm thisclose to replacing all my M gear with an X-Pro2

I've been in a photographic funk for the last year or so. I went a little crazy after a family tragedy in 2015 and accumulated the M gear I always wanted, but then reality set in and I found I wasn't enjoying using it as much as I thought I would.

Now that my life is back on an evenish keel, I'm casting a critical eye on my photo equipment. I think the Leicas need to go.

My first choice is always my Nikon SLRs - always has been, always will be. I also have a nice Nikon RF kit for when I want to burn film through something other than an F series body. Add to that a good selection of Mamiya 645 gear, and I have SLR and RF silver based stuff set.

I do want to keep a digital direct view camera around, but I can't really justify keeping the M-P 240 and glass for that - maybe not even my trusty M6. I'm thinking all of it will go and be replaced with an X-Pro2 with 23/2, 35/2 and 50/2 which will replicate my long-time 35-75 M kit and add a 50 equivalent. I already have an X-Pro1 with the 35/2, so I know a little bit about what I would be getting into.

It's funny how sometimes you get what you want, but then you find it really wasn't what you need. I think that's what I learned with my Leica buying spree.
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Why not just add the 23/2 and 50/2 and keep shooting your XPro1?
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It happens sometimes.

I Normally avoid that by the fact I don't have readily available funds for my gear. When I get my eyes on something, I normally first save enough for the item and look for the one I want in the wanted conditions. By that time, usually my mind its cool enough and I either don't buy it or buy and keep that gear for a long time (unless a need arise and I need to sell gear or my wife get in "I need room in the house mood )



Don't be down, I assure you it was a good experience (you learned that you don't really enjoy/need the Leica that much) and normally Leica equipment can be sold without too much money lose.

Enjoy your favorite equipment, and above all, enjoy life, cause its too damn short


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First of all, I'm sorry to hear about the family tragedy that you have suffered.

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Ya gotta do what feels right for you.
Agreed.

You gave it a try and it confirmed what has worked for you all along. Do what works for you.

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Why not just add the 23/2 and 50/2 and keep shooting your XPro1?
Because it seems like the X-Pro2 has some serious handling improvements over the XP1, I've played with the 2 a few times and was impressed. I'd probably keep the XP1 as a backup. Plus, you save money currently when you buy the XP2 and 23 as a kit.
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Well, I guess it's better than having first bought the Fuji, then deciding you wanted the Leica instead. At least with the Leica gear, you'll get a good portion of your money back. With the Fuji gear, you need to know it's what you want because there'll be no getting your money back if you decide 6 months down the road that wasn't a good move.
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Because it seems like the X-Pro2 has some serious handling improvements over the XP1, I've played with the 2 a few times and was impressed. I'd probably keep the XP1 as a backup. Plus, you save money currently when you buy the XP2 and 23 as a kit.
Certainly, if you think the handling improvements are worth the additional cost, go for it. You do get the 24MP sensor if you print large.
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Ya gotta do what feels right for you.
That's pretty much it in a nutshell.
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Buy the XPro2 for your 35/2,
see if that is all you want it to be,
before selling your Leica stuff.
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Buy the XPro2 for your 35/2,
see if that is all you want it to be,
before selling your Leica stuff.

Probably sell the M-P 240 and keep the M6 and lens? to pay for the XPro2?
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Old 06-28-2017   #12
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This sounds like a rational mature approach to me.

Certain cameras can be emotional attachments that sometimes become the photographic equivalent of a dead albatross around one's neck!
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Because it seems like the X-Pro2 has some serious handling improvements over the XP1, I've played with the 2 a few times and was impressed. I'd probably keep the XP1 as a backup. Plus, you save money currently when you buy the XP2 and 23 as a kit.
Like you my first choice was Nikon SLRs. (N2000, 8008s, F3, F5, D1H, D700)

Years ago I bought an XP1 for a lighter weight system. XP1 was fun but I still ended up going to the D700 for times I needed speed.

I eventually moved to the XP2. While the XP1 and XP2 look alike they shoot *very* differently. Think of the XP2 as Nikon SLR type speed in the XP1 type of body. It was so good I sold my D700 and a bunch of my Nikon glass, something I never expected to do.

Control layout on the XP2 is nicer than the XP1 and more customizable as well.

If you like the XP1 you will love the XP2.

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Old 06-28-2017   #14
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OP has three lines signature which consist of the gear names. Philosophically it is nothing big to be happen. One line will be rewritten. This is it...

The bigger and bitter part of the story is the current state of camera market. It is only two choices for OVF not stuck in the middle. One is very expensive another is AF.

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Ken, I just sold my M6ttl and M240, two of my M lenses, with more to follow. Plan is to get 1-2 XT2 bodies, replacing my XT1's, then be pretty much Fuji X for most of my small format shooting. It feels good to unload what i haven't been using since i began migrating to fuji almost 3 years back.

Leica doesn't hold the place for me it used to be (exception being the Q). Fuji, Olympus, Sony are now very reasonable alternatives.
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The thing about the fujifilms is that they make really superb no-nonsense shooters. They are cheap, offer superlative quality, get out of the way of the shooting experience, and the lenses are superb.

So it sounds to me like your idea is a good one.
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They are cheap, offer superlative quality, get out of the way of the shooting experience, and the lenses are superb.
Absolutely. They also offer quite a stunning value when picked up in the secondary market or an older model. Hard to beat.
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Ya know, the M6 is a nice camera to keep around. I can understand wanting to offload much of the Leica M kit if its not being used or spawning creative use, but you might regret not keeping that M6. At least that's my thinking.

Funny thing is, right now in life I'm using the Leica stuff most. No particular rationale to it, but I'm enjoying M stuff for the time being. But....

...People around me absolutely love their Fuji X gear. However, my wildlife photographer friend is unhappy about only one thing with her Fuji X kit -- There is no equivalent to a 300/2.8 lens in that system. The (FF equiv.) 300/2.8 and teleconverter (whether 1.4x or 2x) is a core staple of the wildlife photographer. Closest thing in Fuji-land is a slow-ish zoom (100-400?). Its definitely not the same as a fast 300 to 500mm (FF equiv). I suspect Fuji would attract a whole host of wildlife photographers with the addition of just that one lens.

Enjoy the Fuji experience. Don't worry about the Leica phase. Glad to hear you've made it through a tough time and ready to enjoy photography.
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A fast telephoto prime is on the Fuji roadmap for next year.

http://www.fujifilm.com/products/dig..._lens/roadmap/

Regarding the slowish 100-400 zoom. It is equivalent to a 300mm f2.8 with 2x teleconverter on a full frame camera. Both have a 600mm FOV and are f5.6. It is also a superb lens that is fairly compact and not terrible heavy that focuses extremely fast.

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It's funny how sometimes you get what you want, but then you find it really wasn't what you need. I think that's what I learned with my Leica buying spree.
Yep, and I'm a former M user and a super-happy X-Pro2 (and X-T2, X100F, X70) user that loves using the 35mm f/2 and 50mm f/2.
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Well, I guess it's better than having first bought the Fuji, then deciding you wanted the Leica instead. At least with the Leica gear, you'll get a good portion of your money back.
True.

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With the Fuji gear, you need to know it's what you want because there'll be no getting your money back if you decide 6 months down the road that wasn't a good move.
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Go for it. By the list in your sig, you'll be rolling around on a bed of cash, laughing manically.
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Ken,

The X-Pro 2 is an excellent camera. In my view the improvements over the X-Pro 1 are well worth the price difference.

I sold all my Nikon FX gear after using the X-T1 for a few months. I miss nothing about it.

To be complete I'm not an action photographer. The AF performance differences between the newest FUJIFILM bodies and Nikon's are less significant than before. But for action photography Nikon and Canon are still best.

I very much enjoy the results from my Fujinon lenses. I use mostly primes. But the 10-24/4 Fujinon is excellent (especially from 10 to ~ 2 mm).

I think it would be wise to keep the X-Pro 1 as a second body. It's sale won't generate that much money.
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Thanks for all the comments, gang. I think I'm going to proceed, but carefully:

1. Order in an XP2 now while the $300 rebate is on with a 23 and 50 and see how I get on with them with a 14 or so day deadline for making a decision so I'm within B&H's return window. (I'm not one to buy and return. I can think of only one photographic item I've returned in 10+ years that wasn't defective.)

2. At the same time start listing my excess gear that I've been meaning to sell anyways. Extra M and LTM lenses, RapidWinder, Motor M, NEX gear, Nikon 1 kit - I have a lot of clutter that isn't getting used.

3. Assuming 1. works out (and I have every reason to think it will), get the M-P 240 listed for sale.

4. Keep the M6, Leicavit, 35/2 ASPH and the 75/2 ASPH for now. Possibly the 21, too. See how I get on with going back to film only on M. If that doesn't work out or doesn't get used, divest the 21 and 75. I'll keep the XP1 too.

I do have an attachment to my M6 and 35/2, but I don't want to keep much more than that if it doesn't get used. I was considering selling the M-P 240 for an M10 to see if that made a difference, but that would be a *very* expensive experiment. I think the XP2 makes more sense.
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Apples and pears.
Eh? A little too cryptic...
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Each reply will be according our own needs and uses.
My take is always why?
I use almost daily a Leica M3 and film, as I have done for 50 years..
I have my Nikons from pro days, to remind me of their weight and bulk.
I remember many cameras being "touted as Good a or better than Leica".
All history now and not worthy of names.
Either one bonds with a Leica M or one doesn't.
I am amazed how many other cameras have been donated to me, due to Film usage.
Digital is dangerous waters for one who has no desire for the latest.
If you feel you want to sell, sell!
Me, I would keep the M6 and a lens..
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it sounds like there is no acute need for the new system, so I would start just by selling, as its longer process than getting new stuff.

am personally happy I've kept some of my M gear, even when they stood idle sometimes for years. its nice to return to those.
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As someone that still kicks themselves on a frequent basis, DON"T SELL YOUR M6 AND LEICA GLASS! You will regret it.
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As someone that still kicks themselves on a frequent basis, DON"T SELL YOUR M6 AND LEICA GLASS! You will regret it.
I sold my M6 and 35mm and 50mm summicrons and never regretted it. You can just buy them again, so I never understood this regret. I will admit to regretting the decision to sell my Nikon Df surprisingly. It's not easily replaceable here in Chile.
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I sold my Leica M6 and all my Leica glass several years ago. I regretted it for years. Until about 18 months ago when I bought a Fuji X-Pro1. And then I bought....

I loved using my Leicas when I had them. But, honestly, my eyes have aged faster than the rest of me (well, maybe the joints are a few paces ahead of the eyes). Autofocus is a godsend for me, even with the older XP1. Today, even if I could afford the purchase of a couple of M10's and a sack full of Leica lenses, I wouldn't consider it. Today, no regrets at all.
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Many have made a switch to some other system. It's fine. You'll be happy to even try it.
I've kept my favorite 50mm and a film M. All else is now Fuji for digital.
The Fuji system has faults but the glass is fantastic and affordable.
The faults are similar to Leicas faults. A bit slow compared to Canikon.
The in camera jpeg engine is sweet. Wififi works great.
Honestly I rarely shoot the film M as conpared to my Fuji usage. (Maybe 2rolls per month)
When I do use the M, it's all there. The rf experience is intact and the joy is the same.
I don't miss slinging the underperforming overpriced digital M.

I think your 14day trial is smart. Go for it. Nothing to loose there.
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I spent about ten minutes with an XP2 last night at a local store. I think this will work, but I need to research how I can configure the autofocus.

Ideally I'd like it to be like my Nikons where it only focuses when I hit a back button, and stops focusing when I release it. I think this is possible, but I want to find out what button is used for this since the AE/AF button on my XP1 is spectacularly mislocated for this purpose. Time to hit the web and research this.

Apparently I have a few weeks to decide, the current promotion runs until July 22nd.
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A word of advice... Its not the gear that's contributing to your "photographic funk" You have to ask this question to yourself, What do I want to do with photography? What is my purpose for taking photographs? You need inspiration, I suggest go to the library and go look up some photographers that interest you...and look at the work... I guarantee you buying an X-Pro 2 will not solve your problem at all... it might make it worse...
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I sold my M6 and 35mm and 50mm summicrons and never regretted it. You can just buy them again, so I never understood this regret. I will admit to regretting the decision to sell my Nikon Df surprisingly. It's not easily replaceable here in Chile.
It is not easy for me to replace what I sold 15 years ago at today's prices. If all I shot was film then I might. But film is about 20% of my photography. Not worth the $4000.-$5000. replacement cost.

Wish I had shelved it for five years before making the decision.

On another note, I currently use an XE-1 with 18mm, 35mm, 50mm f2.0 lenses. Fondled the Xpro2 when purchasing the 50mm 2.0 WR and was impressed. Should have the funds by August.
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I spent about ten minutes with an XP2 last night at a local store. I think this will work, but I need to research how I can configure the autofocus.

Ideally I'd like it to be like my Nikons where it only focuses when I hit a back button, and stops focusing when I release it. I think this is possible, but I want to find out what button is used for this since the AE/AF button on my XP1 is spectacularly mislocated for this purpose. Time to hit the web and research this.
You can set it up this way by putting the camera in MF mode and using the "Instant AF" feature which acts like the AF On on a Nikon. Button placement is better than the XP1 but not as good as the Nikon.

I shot all my Nikons from the F5 and on with AF-On but with the XP2 I don't bother. The XP2 is also very different from the XP1 in that it has PD AF. If your subject hasn't moved when you press the shutter it won't always refocus like the XP1 with its CD AF system.

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It is not easy for me to replace what I sold 15 years ago at today's prices. If all I shot was film then I might. But film is about 20% of my photography. Not worth the $4000.-$5000. replacement cost.
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Old 06-30-2017   #38
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A word of advice... Its not the gear that's contributing to your "photographic funk" You have to ask this question to yourself, What do I want to do with photography? What is my purpose for taking photographs? You need inspiration, I suggest go to the library and go look up some photographers that interest you...and look at the work... I guarantee you buying an X-Pro 2 will not solve your problem at all... it might make it worse...
Well said. It's true that new gear can sometimes provide a creative lift, but it's not likely to sustain that inspiration for long. As you say, purpose and meaning are the real drivers of creativity. Without them we drift. (This wisdom coming from one who just swapped his MM1 for an M6.)

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A word of advice... Its not the gear that's contributing to your "photographic funk" You have to ask this question to yourself, What do I want to do with photography? What is my purpose for taking photographs? You need inspiration, I suggest go to the library and go look up some photographers that interest you...and look at the work... I guarantee you buying an X-Pro 2 will not solve your problem at all... it might make it worse...
That's very true, but I have to say having so much unused gear in the house isn't helping. I do still shoot regularly, but it's mostly SLRs since just I haven't been getting as much enjoyment out of the Leicas as I used to. A lot of it is because I'm just not as comfortable with a manual focus rangefinder as I used to be due to vision changes. I hate to admit I have learned to rely on AF.

Plus, divesting myself of the $$$ gear is appealing.
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