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View Poll Results: Poll: Has Leica alienated photographers?
Yes, I feel alienated by Leica's High Prices 165 38.37%
Maybe, sometimes yes, sometimes no 80 18.60%
No, I want Leica quality and that means Leica prices 119 27.67%
YES, I am alienated by Leica targeting bling marketing (late poll addition) 66 15.35%
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Old 06-27-2018   #761
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Some Leicas can shoot video... for those who prefer RF cameras and want video, there's the M240 that fits that need and is still available new.
I might actually consider one if it had 4k video.
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Old 06-27-2018   #762
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I'm not alienated by Leica's new prices. I simply can't afford them, and so they mainly serve as a minor source of amusement, particularly with regard to the price of some of the limited edition items.

However I figure that the quality of any Leica lens or camera that's one or two versions before the current products will far exceed my ability to take a decent picture, and so I buy the newest secondhand kit that I can afford.
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Old 06-27-2018   #763
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No better RF out there. Cost benefit ratio suggests less expensive DSLR.
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Old 06-29-2018   #764
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The RF experience is the same with other cameras, in as much they are cameras as well. Having used Canon and Nikon RF cameras, I can tell you the viewfinders and RF patches do not come close to that on Leicas.
In some respects the viewfinders in the rangefinders from the other companies were better.

The pre-war Zeiss has a massive rangefinder base with a larger finder patch.

Most Nikons are 1.0x viewfinders, an increase of 10% over an M3 and 40% over a 0.72 Leica, in a lighter, more compact body.

Some of the Canons had three magnification settings for the viewfinder -- wide-angle, normal, telephoto.

And back when they all made rangefinders, Leitz optics were not the best.

Each camera system has their own strengths and weaknesses. To say Leica Ms are clearly tops, shows lack of experience with other cameras.

I've shot Leica products exclusively for two decades, and their products are very nice, but all those companies produced nice products.
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Old 07-01-2018   #765
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To say Leica Ms are clearly tops, shows lack of experience with other cameras.

I've shot Leica products exclusively for two decades, and their products are very nice, but all those companies produced nice products.
I've had plenty of experience with other RFs. Those from Nikon and Canon have miserable rf blobs instead of defined patches. Most don't have parallax correction. Ones from Cosina in the Bessa series just felt substandard to use (I owned those too).
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There's a reason Leica is the last RF mfg standing.
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Old 07-01-2018   #766
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Leica equipment has always been expensive. So are Hasselblad, Zeiss, Canon L-series, and plenty of other high-end alternatives.

I have a vintage M3 kit that was my father's, a second-hand M8.2, some old Soviet glass, and two modern Voigtlander lenses.

I'm just a hobbyist. I'm just grateful to Leica for creating this amazing system and equipment for me to enjoy, and for the professionals and wealthier hobbyists who keep them in business.
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Old 08-07-2018   #767
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. . . And back when they all made rangefinders, Leitz optics were not the best. . .
Dear Steve,

Some were. Some weren't. To dismiss them all as "not the best" suggests, to use your own phrase, some lack of experience.

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Old 09-09-2018   #768
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"For God's and my own sake stop beating this dead horse and go out and take some photographs."

Now what's the fun in that? All kidding aside, that's what photographers do, yes? It reminds me of what Tennessee Williams' wrote about the lowest of the low that circulated at cocktail parties....."writers that don't write, and painters that don't paint". We've all experienced that. The gear head and measure beater that goes on and on and on abut their uber expensive piece of Leica jewelry, while the actual photographer is no where to be found because they're out, shudder, taking photos. How common!

A photographer, and by that I mean a real photographer, doesn't need a hyper expensive piece o digital crap camera. They are quite content to use whatever they have to make the images that they like to make. If I am painting a picture, a $130 sable brush will not enable me to make a better painting, and buying an expensive digital or film Leica camera will not enable me to take better photos than my old $50 Nikkormat w/ 50 2 H lens made.
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If you buy the Leica watch..for over 10K..you will tell better time..and be a better photog...lol..
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We're still at this?
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the dead horse

indeed the proverbial dead horse

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indeed the proverbial dead horse
Sad, isn't it?
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Why, Michael, it’s so plain—it’s the Concours d’Equine Enmity!

1/round up the most beautiful horses, berate them, beat them and shoot them.

2/Pose for trophy photo beside your Prius (Volt, Tesla, SmartCar, Piaggio....)
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Ah Robert …. now that you`re comparing to the horse scene it all makes sense
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