Fuji Natura anyone? 24mmF1.9 P&S
Old 08-22-2005   #1
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Fuji Natura anyone? 24mmF1.9 P&S

Saw some pics done with this camera on Photonet. As small as an XA someone said I think only available in Japan for now...Anyone have one of these?
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Old 08-22-2005   #2
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Never heard of it. Sounds very interesting though . . .

Perhaps a stupid question: It's a film camera, right?
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Old 08-22-2005   #3
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Yes it's a film camera and apparently you can buy it here, since it seems to be only available in Japan.
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Old 08-22-2005   #4
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Nice link on PN (for everyone else, I realize Rob knows about it)

http://www.photo.net/bboard/q-and-a-...?msg_id=00BcOO
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product information from Fujifilm japan.
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Old 08-23-2005   #7
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hi rob,

user reviews are quite good here in japan. i'm thinking of getting one myself (if my CFO approves the budget). but if you need help getting one, just PM me. i think i can get it for a bit less than the one on the online shop bill mentioned.
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Old 08-23-2005   #8
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I wonder how good the camera's point n shoot AF system is. I would guess that shooting wide open at f1.9, even at 24mm, there isn't much DOF. Anyone heard if focus is often inadvertantly "out"?
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Old 08-24-2005   #9
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Hi popitz, i'm keen.. Could you advise me on the cost?

I think the problem with the focus is not that great because of the limited top shutter speed of 1/350 which would mean the camera is going to stoop down quite a lot if it were to use high speed film.
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Nice link on PN (for everyone else, I realize Rob knows about it)

http://www.photo.net/bboard/q-and-a-...?msg_id=00BcOO

amazing to have f1.9 for a P&S...
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hmmm...sounds nifty...what would cost be in usa dollars + shipping cost?
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amazing to have f1.9 for a P&S...
not really cause the canon af35ml has a 40mm with a 1.9 and that a old camera
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i think what's amazing is that the lens is a 24 & 1.9.

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I would not mind getting my hands on one if reasonably priced (home CEO always complains when I get a new camera)
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I keep thinking about this little guy, but it's a little more than I want to spend on a point-and-shoot.
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After my very pleasant experiences with another fixed-lens P&S (the Olympus Stylus Epic), I was very very tempted to get this camera. But it's high cost relative to what it offers held me back.

I have sortof solved the 'problem' by getting a 24mm f/2.8 lens for my film SLR.
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Old 11-19-2005   #18
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hmmmmmmmmm, why spend so much when you can get a used canon af35ml that comes with a 40mm 1.9 for a song and you get back a pack of chips with gravy???
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After my very pleasant experiences with another fixed-lens P&S (the Olympus Stylus Epic), I was very very tempted to get this camera. But it's high cost relative to what it offers held me back.

I have sortof solved the 'problem' by getting a 24mm f/2.8 lens for my film SLR.
OK, Salman, first you show up at the T.O. meet sans RF, now you're telling us about an SLR lens. You know, RFF does have a section of Mounties just for people like you ...

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It has a large lcd screen that acts as a film counter.
Why does it need a large lcd as a film counter, big digits for visually impaired photographers?
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Old 11-19-2005   #21
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I have been using them since the first model came out late last year. There are two models, a basic, fully-auto p+s, and a black model "Natura Black" that adds +/- 2EV exposure compensation in 0.5 EV steps.

The "Natura Black" has much better construction than the basic model. It feels sturdier and there is a finger "pad" on the front of the body for your finger to rest on for better support.

At first, after using the Leica CM and M7, it was hard to get used to the shutter release button, which is small and almost to the edge of the camera body, especially when shooting in the portrait orientation, but after some use I found it easy to trip the shutter with the thumb.

I would say the PQ is on par with the Olympus Mju. One cannot really compare the two fairly as the focal lengths are so different, and few extreme wide angle lenses resolve details that finely.

While the inability to select aperture is a drawback, it is still a nifty little camera. At 195g its truly pocketable and its capable of fine indoor, low-light shots. I usually shoot NPZ800 with it indoors.

The color rendition is on the cool side. I actually think it works better with black and white film.

The focussing is quite quick and fairly accurate. Because of the extreme wide angle and the small size of the camera, I find its best not to recompose if shooting in the portrait orientation. A small tilt can translate into significant back focus.

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Old 11-20-2005   #22
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I saw one in Japan the other day--$300 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I saw one in Japan the other day--$300 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ouch!

Not cheap for an auto-everything P&S, at least if it had manual overrides.
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What do people think about this camera at approx $334 incl. shipping to Switzerland, vs $467 for a Ricoh GR1v NOS in a local store?

Fuji = 24/1.9, few manual controls
Ricoh = 28/2.8, more manual controls

The wider angle appeals to me, esp. combined with the 1 stop gain. But less manual control is a disadvantage.

How do the lenses compare in quality?

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Ricoh GR1v & Fuji Natura vs Me

Personally I would buy both.

Although I am a Fuji fan, this time I would go for the Ricoh because of the better manual options and for me even the 28mm lens is a bit too wide. Buy the Ricoh, give it a go and if you don't like it sell it to me here. I have always wanted a Ricoh GR1.

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What do people think about this camera at approx $334 incl. shipping to Switzerland, vs $467 for a Ricoh GR1v NOS in a local store?

Fuji = 24/1.9, few manual controls
Ricoh = 28/2.8, more manual controls

The wider angle appeals to me, esp. combined with the 1 stop gain. But less manual control is a disadvantage.

How do the lenses compare in quality?

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Old 01-15-2006   #27
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The Natura Black is kinda popular in Japan, China, Hong Kong and Taiwan. Put a roll of 1600 film in it and you got yourself the ultimate low light P&S. It's hard to find another camera that does the same thing at that price/size. I'm very interested in it too, I found a website that sells it at 27800yen and would ship outside Japan. (I can PM you the URL if interested as I don't know if it's appropriate to post it here.)
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Please PM me w/ email of shop in Japan that sells Natura.

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Black ones are cool!
Non-black ones are cheaper, Y$22,900, $200US.
One new film camera from Fuji; Natura Classica w 28-56 f2.8-5.4. Really really Cool! This one took 6 years to come, from the DL Super Mini-Zoom( I have one, excellent lens), wheew!
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Yes I believe it's Map, but I don't read Japanese so it's just a page-ful of gibberish to me =P

I've heard of the Natura Classic too, but its longer and slower lens doesn't appeal to me. The 24/1.9 being a little more than a stop faster does make a huge difference in low light situations - what the Natura S/Black is often purchased for.

P.S. I believe the Natura Black has an extra function that is not found on the Natura S... but I'll have to look it up.
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How much is 32,000 yen anyway? In US dollars?
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24mm f1.9 is great, but it's not the only special point of this small camera.
When a roll of film with the DX code 1600 or higher is loaded, the camera will be set to NP mode - no auto-flash, +2EV ex-comp, 1/45sec limited slow shutter speed -.
Fuji says that over 40% of photographs are made inside at night with under LV8 or lower - living rooms, restrants, bars or something. Most of those snapshots tend to be unnatural(sometime harsh) with auto-flash. That's what the Natura cameras are designed for.
Most of P&S lowlight snapshots without flash tend to be 2EV under exposed because of top lightings and warm color of modern interior lights(camera meters mainly read green. interior lights tend to lack blue).
Fuji also found that most of average P&S users can hold a camera without significant camera shake in shutter speed of 1/45sec, but not longer. And LV3.5 seems like darkest situation they use a camera.
With a 1600 speed film, +2EV ex-comp, 1/45sec slowest shutter speed and lowest light LV3.5, f1.9 lens was then needed.

Don't judge the Natura cameras only with lens sharpness, AF accuracy or lack of manual controls, but real "AUTO" point and shooting under various situations in daily life(with 1600 film).
There is no auto-everything camera which is like Natura cameras.

Mine is Natura S - lavender color - cute !

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Old 02-08-2006   #33
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kunihiko,
Where did you purchase your Fuji Natura S, 24mm F1.9? I would like to get one!

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The Natura S Black is no longer being made and sold out (almost) everywhere. You're lucky if you have one.
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The Natura S Black is no longer being made and sold out (almost) everywhere. You're lucky if you have one.
I was thinking of putting my Natura S Black up for sale (only because I need the money) but now I'm not so sure. One feature I don't see mentioned is how when you load the film the camera winds it to its end and then works backward. Nice to know up front if I'm going to manage 36 or 37 shots off a roll and if someone were to accidentally open the back the entire roll would not be compromised.

Have you heard if Fuji is going to produce the Klasse II or not? It was announced along with the Natura Classica/Natura NS zoom models but nothing seems to have some of it. The original Klasse was rebranded as the AFM 35 for Rollei.
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I would agree with this logic
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I would agree with this logic

Makes sense to me, but I wish the Natura (and GSN) gave a tad bit more control like the hexar does -- e.g. manual ISO override, setting slowest shutter speed, EV comp, and actually setting an Av or Tv mode, rather than getting stuck with the DX speed on the cassette, and fixed 1/45th lowest speed, +2 EV, and no direct control over Tv or Av (or knowing what is chosen).

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24mm f1.9 is great, but it's not the only special point of this small camera.
When a roll of film with the DX code 1600 or higher is loaded, the camera will be set to NP mode - no auto-flash, +2EV ex-comp, 1/45sec limited slow shutter speed -.
Fuji says that over 40% of photographs are made inside at night with under LV8 or lower - living rooms, restrants, bars or something. Most of those snapshots tend to be unnatural(sometime harsh) with auto-flash. That's what the Natura cameras are designed for.
Most of P&S lowlight snapshots without flash tend to be 2EV under exposed because of top lightings and warm color of modern interior lights(camera meters mainly read green. interior lights tend to lack blue).
Fuji also found that most of average P&S users can hold a camera without significant camera shake in shutter speed of 1/45sec, but not longer. And LV3.5 seems like darkest situation they use a camera.
With a 1600 speed film, +2EV ex-comp, 1/45sec slowest shutter speed and lowest light LV3.5, f1.9 lens was then needed.

Don't judge the Natura cameras only with lens sharpness, AF accuracy or lack of manual controls, but real "AUTO" point and shooting under various situations in daily life(with 1600 film).
There is no auto-everything camera which is like Natura cameras.

Mine is Natura S - lavender color - cute !
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Makes sense to me, but I wish the Natura (and GSN) gave a tad bit more control like the hexar does -- e.g. manual ISO override, setting slowest shutter speed, EV comp, and actually setting an Av or Tv mode, rather than getting stuck with the DX speed on the cassette, and fixed 1/45th lowest speed, +2 EV, and no direct control over Tv or Av (or knowing what is chosen).
The Natura S Black version adds +/-2 stops exposure compensation which has come in handy for me. The regular Natura S lacks this.
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CameraQuest (click on their ad on the front page of this site) is selling Natura S for $300.
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Supposedly, production has been discontinued. I thought about one, but just couldn't justify it for low light situations vs. a high ISO digital--like the new Fuji F30. Did I screw up or not?

The bottom line for me is $300 is a lot for a film P&S when I can get a tiny digital for the same price. Maybe that's what killed it
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