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ISO 3.28 million, are you kidding me!
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ISO 3.28 million, are you kidding me!

Just saw the specs on the newly released Nikon D6. ISO can be pushed to 3.28 million! I remember when I got my D4 eight years ago and thought, ISO 51,000, that's ridiculous, who would need an ISO that high. Well jump 64 times that ISO and that's what Nikon is claiming with their new flagship DSLR. Pretty amazing.

Where will it all end?

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Extra six stops is pretty helpful, but it depends as always on the image quality...
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Won’t that fog even with the shutter closed?
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Well... is it usable or just there? High iso in a camera like this is for high shutter speeds in low light of course...
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Yeah, even my 5 year old EM10 goes up to some ridiculous (for that year) ISO. Even tried it out once. The results looked like a badly executed paint-by-number picture that were all the rage in the 60’s.

Olympus probably called it ‘a feature’.
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How times change, before it was about megapixel numbers, now it's about ISO numbers?

Maybe I'm oldschool, but give me any ASA 100 film (which I'll develop around ASA 64-80 most of the time anyways so it's not a fixed number) and a tripod and I'm happy with that for decades to come.

I better leave the astronomically high ISOs for the number supremacists...
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Pushed or selected?
https://www.dpreview.com/news/761593...specifications
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ISO Auto, 100-102400 (expands to 50-3280000)
Pushed usually means post-processing.

If some is OK with ISO400 as maximum and five megapixels, it doesn't mean the rest has to follow.

I meet professional cinematographer, cameraman and photographer two weeks ago. He has to recently trade his Canon DSLR to FujiFilm GFX. The size of the prints he has to do now clearly demands 40+ MP and larger sensor.
So is ISO. It is very obvious if you think not just me-me-me.
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This may be some use for technical purposes, where something is better than no picture, but even if the sensor and data stream are well behaved, photon noise must kill any pictorial application.
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How times change, before it was about megapixel numbers, now it's about ISO numbers?

Maybe I'm oldschool, but give me any ASA 100 film (which I'll develop around ASA 64-80 most of the time anyways so it's not a fixed number) and a tripod and I'm happy with that for decades to come.

I better leave the astronomically high ISOs for the number supremacists...
Having taken a look at the results you get with your methods, (and having a copy of your book), I can only say that you are someone who is well worth paying attention to. I am not seeing anyone anywhere do better, in terms of results, and most, not as well. Kudos.

The D6 will undoubtedly be a superb camera, but the (legitimate) advance in capabilities won’t do anything for the kind of results most people want most of the time in most situations. Were I hired to shoot the Olympics in Japan in a few months, I’d want one. It’s for those people, and Nikon hopes to also sell to many who think that they are those people. I hope they sell a lot of them, for Nikon’s sake.
It’s interesting that the real pros this body is aimed at don’t need more than 20.6 MP from a full frame 35mm sensor, nor would they usually be well served by more. If you have a D6 you probably also have a superb 600mm AF lens as well, so there’s little need for major cropping. There’s a lesson in there somewhere.
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There’s a lesson in there somewhere.
Processing 20.6MP on the fly to make deadline is much more manageable than trying to process 45MP in the same time period. And they're not going to be billboards, they are going to appear in print or on the web, so 20.6MP is more than enough.

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Oh well; I am still mostly using ISO 160. What am I missing?
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Here's an example of the D5 at 3 Million ISO: https://petapixel.com/2016/01/12/thi...t-iso-3280000/


There might be a slight increase in quality with the D6 but I can't imagine it being even close to usable that high. Seems to me as more of a marketing thing.
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Oh well; I am still mostly using ISO 160. What am I missing?
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How times change, before it was about megapixel numbers, now it's about ISO numbers?

Maybe I'm oldschool, but give me any ASA 100 film (which I'll develop around ASA 64-80 most of the time anyways so it's not a fixed number) and a tripod and I'm happy with that for decades to come.

I better leave the astronomically high ISOs for the number supremacists...
I've seen your work also. I'll stick with you. I think you also use a drum scanner (not sure), but that is another form of quality I can get behind.
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I think my Olympus C8008 (8mp!) went up to ISO 800. And I thought it was so cool that I could adjust ISOs any way I wanted as it was a digicam.
The highest shoot is ISO 800, and that is with Lomo 800 film.

But I do admire the tech advances. C'mon, 10, 15 years ago? Could you imagine this?
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$5 says that Nikkor lens won't auto focus in that light
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Forget 3.28 million.
If it can accurately focus & produce pristine files at ISO 500,000 no one will complain
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Extremely high iso can be necessary for a few very special application...I think sport il low light photographer with a very long lens...but...

...I still remember the times and the emotion when I could push an HP4 at 1600 iso...and that was high iso...

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Oh well; I am still mostly using ISO 160. What am I missing?
I don't know what you're missing, but I'd hazard a guess and say you're not shooting the Olympics (and if you are, you're probably not mostly using 160iso...)
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Pushing boundaries on these specialized cameras is a good thing, I see no good reason for it to "end" except maybe it would also bring an end to the "I don't need it" posts for every new camera release.
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What’s the ISO of tracing a camera obscura image with a #2 pencil.
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I can see the usefulness of high ISO photography for sports with long lenses, as Robert has said above. I do not anymore do such photography, though. I like to play with the available light outdoors and not indoors unless it is a portrait at a window, which allows me to take photos with most lenses and ISO 400 maybe.
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I like the idea of being able to make an image without a flash in any lighting condition. Think about when Canon introduced the Digital Rebel, igniting millions of "film is better, no it isn't" threads on the Internet. That debate has been quiet for a long long time, although many, including myself, like film for aesthetic reasons. Back when I got the M8, I thought that the base ISO performance of that chip was equal to what I was getting with medium format film. Astonishing. I hope we see similar gains in dynamic range -- now that would really be something.

Consider too that if Nikon is setting this bar, you'll soon see the me-too's of the camera world offering similar capabilities. Our current cameras will one day seem like wet-plate negatives with an ISO of 6.
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I wonder what astronomers will think of the Nikon D6?
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I better leave the astronomically high ISOs for the number supremacists...
Right, like the sequence of images I got of elk rutting in full moonlight that were still a bit blurred at ISO 20,000 with a 1.4 lens. That was with a Nikon Z6 by the way and while AF had a hard time responding, MF in using the EVF in that high setting proved revolutionary for me in hitting focus in that low of light.

What blows me away more than clean high ISO is the narrow view of folks who lack the imagination in how it can be used to great effect.
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What blows me away more than clean high ISO is the narrow view of folks who lack the imagination in how it can be used to great effect.
When you only go out to photograph in bright sunlight, I can see why they would think that. I'm still stuck on about ISO 6400 being the top I have to use. I can completely use more... I like to photograph at 1/500th at least generally speaking due to my own internal shake and having to react quickly bringing the camera to my eye. I'd gladly take another 2-3 stops of clean high ISO than what I have.
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Bragging rights?
I am content with taking photos the way I like to do, and this happens to be possible quite well with ISO160~400 most of the time. It is an amazing technological achievement to have such high ISO possibilities for some special applications in quite a few areas that come to mind.
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When you only go out to photograph in bright sunlight, I can see why they would think that. I'm still stuck on about ISO 6400 being the top I have to use. I can completely use more... I like to photograph at 1/500th at least generally speaking due to my own internal shake and having to react quickly bringing the camera to my eye. I'd gladly take another 2-3 stops of clean high ISO than what I have.
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What blows me away more than clean high ISO is the narrow view of folks who lack the imagination in how it can be used to great effect.
Actually it was ment with a bit of irony and a decent dose of humor.

I am a big believer of technological progress. But ISO 3,280,000 is just not enough to take good enough pictures. I will wait a couple of months when Canon or Sony comes out with their new ISO 6,560,000 camera model so I will get 50% better pictures vs this Nikon, better if they make ISO 1,312,000,000 so I can be sure that I will make 100% better pictures than this advertised model. Must have well over 100Mpixels too, or I will be dissaponted in the photo quality since the competition is already there.

FYI, every night I need to photograph fireflies with a very long hand held telephoto lens at 1/32,000th shutter speed @ f16 in pitch dark with each fly's individual wing textures and eyes must be visible in 100% zoom, absolutely no noise allowed for perfect clarity. Nothing less will do.

It sure extends one's imagination and makes very practical sense in every way.
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I think we are getting spoiled, back in the 1980s 3200 iso was a luxury and so grainy it was extra special purpose.

The highest speed film I occasionally used was HP 5 pushed to 1600 iso and Tri-x pushed to 800 iso and that was considered a big deal and was avoided if possible.
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Right, like the sequence of images I got of elk rutting in full moonlight that were still a bit blurred at ISO 20,000 with a 1.4 lens. That was with a Nikon Z6 by the way and while AF had a hard time responding, MF in using the EVF in that high setting proved revolutionary for me in hitting focus in that low of light.

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Right, like the sequence of images I got of elk rutting in full moonlight that were still a bit blurred at ISO 20,000 with a 1.4 lens. That was with a Nikon Z6 by the way and while AF had a hard time responding, MF in using the EVF in that high setting proved revolutionary for me in hitting focus in that low of light.

What blows me away more than clean high ISO is the narrow view of folks who lack the imagination in how it can be used to great effect.
Usually all I wish to photograph is how a scene appears to my eyes. I do not wish to turn a night scene into a photograph that looks like it was taken at 2 in the afternoon.
Yes, for stopping fast motion, small stops for large DoF in poor light, etc., then I have been 'forced' to resort to high ISO (which looks like multi-colored confetti on my 5 year old camera). 'An' image is better than no image I guess.
And, handed this camera I could probably come up with use for the 3 million ISO.....maybe.
Maybe not. Just not much imagination I suppose.
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How times change, before it was about megapixel numbers, now it's about ISO numbers?

Maybe I'm oldschool, but give me any ASA 100 film (which I'll develop around ASA 64-80 most of the time anyways so it's not a fixed number) and a tripod and I'm happy with that for decades to come.

I better leave the astronomically high ISOs for the number supremacists...

I remember when ASA64 Kodachrome was considered fast. Somehow we managed to get great photographs under most light conditions.
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Paul does great work and I still use 100-400 speed black and white films for my own silver gel prints too, different instrument for different tunes my friend. But I am really getting into some amazing imagery right now at ISO 10,000+ with fast glass.

These huge numbers are also a bit of a headline grabber too, we should be talking about what we are gaining in stops above 3200 which is a number that I feel can produce large prints in modern cameras.

So give me 4-5 stops above 3200 but with the same low noise and I will make images that will be pretty striking, especially in subdued mixed light.
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Someone needs to formulate a "new moon f/64 rule"!
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Someone needs to formulate a "new moon f/64 rule"!

They must think that too as I see the top shutter speed is *only* 1/8000 and they have a "B" setting for when 3.28 million is just too slow. It makes you wonder, doesn't it?


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The thing you guys have to realize is that the real usable high ISO number is a lot lower than the top stated available ISO (maybe 12,800 is usable for most). For instance, go here and choose 3.28 million...

https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/nik...-dslr-review/6

I know it is the D5, but at this ISO they are effectively the same...
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