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Old 05-21-2015   #1
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Would you travel with the Leica Digilux 2?

It is a 5MP camera with a fixed Summicron zoom (like 28-90). Would you keep things simple in a trip and just use this camera? It has AF and built-in flash. It has ISO 100-200-400.

It seems to be tempting to focus on composition and leave equipment behind. It is not a good camera for low light scenes. Do I need another camera with a fast lens and better low light performance?

It sounds like fun to me to just go for it.
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Raid, I have actually done this. I had a Digilux 2 and liked the pictures I got with it. I could print to 7.5 by 10 inches, and the image quality was excellent! Every once in a while I miss it and think of buying another. But really, my Fuji X20 is more versatile, has a better zoom range, and much higher ISO range. Sue and I will go on a car trip in 2 weeks and I will take the X20, my X100, and probably my D-lux 6. All that fits in a Domke X-5XB, and I will have enough toys for the trip! The M8.2 will stay home.
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This guy loved them in their day and used one professionally. http://www.overgaard.dk/leica_digilux2.html

I still have a Panasonic L1 which is a Panasonic version of a later version- the Digilux 3 which however has interchangeable lenses but is a similar concept. It produces very nice images with lovely tones not dissimilar to the Digilux 2. But as you say it is poor at handling low light and I also find its batteries do not measure up - you need a pocket full of them for a days shooting.The other negative is the small files by current standards (7 megapixels with my camera and less for the 2 ?)

I guess it depends on whether you are willing to make the compromises needed and there will be some. I dont think I would. I know what I would do - fantasize about doing it then at the last moment take a digital SLR and lug around 10 kilos of lenses. That's just me.
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Raid, it's a great camera for travel. It will do most anything you need
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Raid, I have actually done this. I had a Digilux 2 and liked the pictures I got with it. I could print to 7.5 by 10 inches, and the image quality was excellent! Every once in a while I miss it and think of buying another. But really, my Fuji X20 is more versatile, has a better zoom range, and much higher ISO range. Sue and I will go on a car trip in 2 weeks and I will take the X20, my X100, and probably my D-lux 6. All that fits in a Domke X-5XB, and I will have enough toys for the trip! The M8.2 will stay home.
I do not have a small and modern camera. I have the full sized M8 and the M9, plus the E-P2 and the E-PL1. Then I have the Panasonic clone of the Digilux 2.
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This guy loved them in their day and used one professionally. http://www.overgaard.dk/leica_digilux2.html

I still have a Panasonic L1 which is a Panasonic version of a later version- the Digilux 3 which however has interchangeable lenses but is a similar concept. It produces very nice images with lovely tones not dissimilar to the Digilux 2. But as you say it is poor at handling low light and I also find its batteries do not measure up - you need a pocket full of them for a days shooting.The other negative is the small files by current standards (7 megapixels with my camera and less for the 2 ?)

I guess it depends on whether you are willing to make the compromises needed and there will be some. I dont think I would. I know what I would do - fantasize about doing it then at the last moment take a digital SLR and lug around 10 kilos of lenses. That's just me.
I will not haul 10kg of lenses. Max is two lenses for me.
Yes, the files will be small, but this is a family trip.
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Raid, it's a great camera for travel. It will do most anything you need
This is the spirit! I will give it lots of thought.
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I have always enjoyed trying things out, Helen. This is why I came to the USA.
I may use the MP6 camera locally. I do not know.
Last summer I used M9 plus EP2.
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I will not haul 10kg of lenses. Max is two lenses for me.
Yes, the files will be small, but this is a family trip.
Go for it then. But I would always take a small backup camera with me. As the Irish say "Ah to be sure, to be sure" cheers Peter

PS your post has made me get my L1 out again and will take it for a spin today. Its rendering really is lovely I must say. There is something about how Panasonic cameras (and their Leica badged cousins) image that is very nice indeed. I also use a Pany GF1 and Pany LX 5 mainly for this reason.
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I use a few Point and Shoot digitals.
Canon Super shot 1200, Nikon L30..
I have older P/S cameras.
The older the slower and longer the shutter lag.
A Leica M8: a M9: stay at home ?
Sure the M9 had a problem last trip..well have a back up.
If it fails again, delete it from your kit.
It's digital, aging to obscurity as we write..
I once lost a few Leica lenses in an attack on my car.
A photojournalist asked where my Leica was on a photo shoot.
His reply to my answer was " Pity they didn't get it as well!"
The answer was correct.
I used my Leica again, in all conditions, situations and any weather..
Now it's badly battered, scratched, vulcanite dropping off,
but used!
My trips to South Africa are usually with P/S but have access to my daughter's pro Nikon kit..
Next rip, definitely a Leica-M or SLR.
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Raid, I run the digilux 2 group on Facebook. https://m.facebook.com/groups/316069...?ref=bookmarks
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Raid, I took a Polaroid 420 Land camera with 4 boxes of color and 2 boxes of B&W with me to the Oregon coast. Our annual spring break trip. It was fun! Had so many comments on the camera. Filled up a photo album.

I had other cameras but used the iPhone 6+ for digital.

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I took the D2/LC1 (had both) on a number of trips, and was very happy with the results. Great lens, great color, good metering. Here's a set that includes day/night/dim indoors; maybe shows what it can do and has trouble doing...

https://www.flickr.com/photos/143485...57612637422264
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Raid I've done it successfully, but I did take an RX100 just in case.
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Raid another thing I just recalled is that my L1 has three superb black and white modes. Not sure about the Digilux 2. It is the only camera I have ever owned which I am happy to shoot black and white in camera. Even later Panasonic cameras do not compete in this regard. In fact jpgs out of the camera are so good generally that I seldom bother to shoot in RAW unless the lighting is especially tricky. Again I am not sure how the Digilux 2 compares but would be surprised if it were not close or as good in this regard.
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If you insist on only taking a digital p&s, I would take the Panasonic LX100.
It has eveything you could ever wish for and is the most "analog" digital camera there is.
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Raid,

Freedom is a wonderful thing. A desirable thing on a family trip. Just because it is a little old, slower, not as versatile, a bit heavier, not as valuable, doesn't mean it isn't a good choice. If it did, then I have just described myself and I should just stay home in a rocking chair and sell the M3!!!

Be bold!!! Leave the anchors at home. The camera took great pictures when they were new. Are those pictures obsolete?

LOL, it is a family trip... Enjoy!!!:-))
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Raid, if you can live with these, then you are good to go:

http://www.flickriver.com/groups/dig...l/interesting/

http://www.stevehuffphoto.com/2012/1...dro-grigorian/
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Traveling in a "minimalistic spirit" is always an experience! Personally I wouldn't do it digital but sometimes I do it analog bringing only my Holga and a few film...
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Traveling in a "minimalistic spirit" is always an experience! Personally I wouldn't do it digital but sometimes I do it analog bringing only my Holga and a few film...
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A Holga!!! Cool!

It is funny that I never thought of that. Excellent experience there, Robert!

In the past few months, I find myself very minimalistic with gear. Sometimes it is a film camera only. At other times it is the X1. And I enjoy life so much more with just one camera, one lens and enjoying the moment. The key is to use the camera you love.
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i remember my digilux 2 as not carryable with a wrist strap. that means slinging it over my shoukder or variation of shoulder strap. once youre there, taking a small bag, like my ona bowery, is really not inconvenient at all. ive taken only the x100 and rx1 (plus xpan film cam) as the only digicams on trips to france and the california coast respectively. i never missed a zoom, never missed having another digi. loved having the film option available. however both cams could do low light.

so, long way about, if youre carrying a semi big cam about on your shoulder, its no trouble to bring another li'l one and carry both in small bag. if you dont agree and are comfortable that you WILL absolutely miss some shots in low light you might regret missing, then do it!

btw, you can pick up an 'old', light, pocketable, x100 for like $350. selling one of your m4/3 cams can get you half way there, and then youre good to go up to iso3200!
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Freedom is a wonderful thing. A desirable thing on a family trip. Just because it is a little old, slower, not as versatile, a bit heavier, not as valuable, doesn't mean it isn't a good choice. If it did, then I have just described myself and I should just stay home in a rocking chair and sell the M3!!!

Be bold!!! Leave the anchors at home. The camera took great pictures when they were new. Are those pictures obsolete?

LOL, it is a family trip... Enjoy!!!:-))

Hi Dave,
If the M 4/3 cameras would have had a smaller crop factor, thy would have been perfect for me. The M bodies are not light, and they are costly. The "Digilux 2" [actually, I have its Panasonic clone] is an outdated digital camera,

When using a film camera, no camera is really outdated. When using a digital camera, there can exist a huge difference in the used technology by which a digital camera approaches/exceeds/falls short of what a corresponding film camera can handle. Using the M6 or the M3 is not much different to me than using my Canon F1N, say. There, the lens used would matter more.
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Traveling in a "minimalistic spirit" is always an experience! Personally I wouldn't do it digital but sometimes I do it analog bringing only my Holga and a few film...
robert, quiet photographer a little bit confused :-)
I tried to use the M9 with the SWC during my last trip to Italy, That did not work out well for me. I used the M9 (and the E-P2) almost all of the time.
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i remember my digilux 2 as not carryable with a wrist strap. that means slinging it over my shoukder or variation of shoulder strap. once youre there, taking a small bag, like my ona bowery, is really not inconvenient at all. ive taken only the x100 and rx1 (plus xpan film cam) as the only digicams on trips to france and the california coast respectively. i never missed a zoom, never missed having another digi. loved having the film option available. however both cams could do low light.

so, long way about, if youre carrying a semi big cam about on your shoulder, its no trouble to bring another li'l one and carry both in small bag. if you dont agree and are comfortable that you WILL absolutely miss some shots in low light you might regret missing, then do it!

btw, you can pick up an 'old', light, pocketable, x100 for like $350. selling one of your m4/3 cams can get you half way there, and then youre good to go up to iso3200!
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I like using my M 4/3 cameras, so I will not sell them. They make great tele cameras (with many types of lenses). They need special lenses for excellent wide angle lenses on M 4/3 cameras.

Maybe: M9 with E-PL1?
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Raid, I took a Polaroid 420 Land camera with 4 boxes of color and 2 boxes of B&W with me to the Oregon coast. Our annual spring break trip. It was fun! Had so many comments on the camera. Filled up a photo album.

I had other cameras but used the iPhone 6+ for digital.

My point, do it!
You made a good point. I will have my IPhone 6 with me too.
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Raid, I run the digilux 2 group on Facebook. https://m.facebook.com/groups/316069...?ref=bookmarks
I will visit your group.
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I took the D2/LC1 (had both) on a number of trips, and was very happy with the results. Great lens, great color, good metering. Here's a set that includes day/night/dim indoors; maybe shows what it can do and has trouble doing...

https://www.flickr.com/photos/143485...57612637422264
Thank you for the link. I could take the L1 and the E-PL1 as a back-up.
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Raid I've done it successfully, but I did take an RX100 just in case.
I understand this, Jack.
A small back-up will do.
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Raid another thing I just recalled is that my L1 has three superb black and white modes. Not sure about the Digilux 2. It is the only camera I have ever owned which I am happy to shoot black and white in camera. Even later Panasonic cameras do not compete in this regard. In fact jpgs out of the camera are so good generally that I seldom bother to shoot in RAW unless the lighting is especially tricky. Again I am not sure how the Digilux 2 compares but would be surprised if it were not close or as good in this regard.
Hi Peter,
My thoughts on using my L1 were from the start as a replacement for my M9 or M8 during one trip. The L1 could be my B&W camera.
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Having said this I believe if I had one I would only use that camera on a trip. Just entering that "wide" mood, select one foil B&W or color and shoot only one film a day!
Family snaps? The other members of family can do that, to the i.phone...

Years ago I saw the book from a famous usa photographer (sorry, forgetting the name now) all taken by his car with an SWC...

Of course , it's just an idea, a little bit silly...but why not to dare?

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It is a good idea, Robert, and I had it 2 years ago, but I made the mistake to also bring along the M9
I need to check my refrigerator for B&W 120 film.
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no, i wasnt suggesting selling both m4/3s--i have one for exactly the same reason--tele work. i was suggesting selling one--like an exchange really--for a better low light compact. anyway, youll make the rght choice. its really just a matter of sacrificing low light shots vs bringing another cam. itll work out fine either way. more importantly, enjoy your vacation!
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Thanks. You are right about it.
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I took a few quick snapshots with the L1 today. My wife likes the color rendition, she told me.










I used ISO 100 with AF at 90mm.
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I took a few quick snapshots with the L1 today. My wife likes the color rendition, she told me.

I used ISO 100 with AF at 90mm.
Raid I love the rendition of the L1. There is something about it that is really very nice and within its sensor limits has not really been surpassed even today, to my knowledge. It was a big bulky brick of a camera and doomed to be overtaken by the M4/3 tidal wave of small cameras but it was one before its time in many respects.
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I agree with you on this point, Peter. maybe, it is a very good travel camera if it is supported by a camera with a fast lens and a larger sensor?
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I took the LC1 to the beach yesterday.









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If you have a Digilux 2 that is working well, sure why not? You'll simply work within the camera's capabilities, that's all. It's got a lovely lens and a good, if old, sensor.

If the camera breaks while you're traveling, unless you're in truly remote places you can buy a replacement when needed. Unless I'm shooting on a paid gig, I never bother to carry a "backup." I might carry a second camera because it has very different capabilities, but that's not backup.

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