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Old 09-04-2019   #41
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you mean barrel distortion? that one was @f8
yes, the 1st version I had was terrible, this looks nearly perfect, interesting because Cosina didn't mentioned they fixed this.
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yes, the 1st version I had was terrible, this looks nearly perfect, interesting because Cosina didn't mentioned they fixed this.
I didn't touched the barrel distortion in lightroom, so I think that's a very good result.
As I imagined, shift focus is negligible on film, also @f4
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The lack of barrel distortion is indeed very interesting.

I have used extensively the Nokton 40mm f1.4, and never noticed any focus shift, even at f1.4 (I haven't used it on digital though). After selling the R3A, I wanted to buy the Nokton 35mm but finally decided not to, solely because of the barrel distortion.

For some weird reason, I find the pincushion distortion less annoying than the barrel distortion.

Thanks for sharing the samples, luuca.
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...it will be a good lens for my M9, where only f4 may take a bit of compensation. I'll stick with the Summarit 35 on my M10.
Any chance to see it on M9?
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Old 09-23-2019   #46
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M4 / Voigtlander Nokton 35mm 1.4 SC Version ll / Kodak Tmax 400 / Pyrocat HD / Foma Variant lll FB/ Ethol LPD 2:1
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Old 09-23-2019   #47
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Yay! Real print!!!

But, common, anyone with guts to take it on digital M? What are you afraid of? To realize what Lux is the dud?
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Yay! Real print!!!

But, common, anyone with guts to take it on digital M? What are you afraid of? To realize what Lux is the dud?
KoFe.... the print is sharper than that. that's an iphone photo of the print in 6pm failing daylight
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Old 09-24-2019   #49
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I get the picture anyway. Print with this toning is awesome.

I’m just surprised here isn’t much pictures with M mount new lenses on digital M anymore.
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Choices all depend on the outcomes one is looking for. For me the Version ll is a keeper; but then again I also use an Elmar 35mm 3.5, & a Summaron 2.8. I've used several versions of the Summicron f2 for decades..... & would never choose a modern aspheric Summicron or Summilux. Choose whatever gives you the results you desire.
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Great! I could see it on the edges, but it isn't something as scary as on the old one .
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yes, the 1st version I had was terrible, this looks nearly perfect, interesting because Cosina didn't mentioned they fixed this.
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I had the first version, didn't like and sold it. Replaced with Ultron 35/1.7
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Choices all depend on the outcomes one is looking for. For me the Version ll is a keeper; but then again I also use an Elmar 35mm 3.5, & a Summaron 2.8. I've used several versions of the Summicron f2 for decades..... & would never choose a modern aspheric Summicron or Summilux. Choose whatever gives you the results you desire.
Does FLE have same oof, Bokeh at f1.4 as version II?
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Does FLE have same oof, Bokeh at f1.4 as version II?
I don't know Ko.Fe. I don't care for the character of modern Leica lenses and besides.... i wouldn't spend $5200 USD ($7k Cnd) on a lens.
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Lovely pictures Luuca especially that first one, and the last.
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Hello everybody !
To everyone that bought this v2, can we have more inside or comparisons with the v1? I have a nice v1 and would be very tempted to buy a v2 if there actually are improvements in field flatness and barel distortion... But it is very hard to really figure out what's been improved or not for now !
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For those who might be interested :

I purchased and just recieved a V2 SC version to be compared with my V1 SC.

First clear fact : the lens looks noticably sharper due to a flatter field of focus on my M240. It is much appreciated. It is very sharp on most of the frame from f2.8.

About the barrel distortion; my sample looks to have the exact same amount of distortion.

I will try to perform a real side by side "scientific" (on a tripod) review of the v2 to see if I can detect some more facts.

For now, I am half happy as the sharpness increase is a cool thing, but was hopping for some, even little, improvement with barrel...

Stay tuned
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Hello again everyone,

Here is some very non-scientific side by side measurements between the v1 and v2 Nokton 35 1.4 SC

https://drive.google.com/drive/folde...VF?usp=sharing

The things I noticed:

- Less distortion (from around 3%, to around 2.2%)
- Less field curvature (compare the max distances between green line and pink line in the "curv" pictures)
- A bit less focus shift at f4 (v1 is around 5th line shift on the chart. v2 is around 3rd line)
- At 1.4, both lenses are spot on.
- Bokeh of the v2 is a tad rounder on the edges.

The increased sharpness I felt before certainly comes from the better field flatness.

All in all, we can clearly observe the v2 is a greatly improved lens.

All the testings has been made with a Leica M240. On sony cameras, all of these figures will be worse because of sensor filter stack thickness of these cameras.

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Thanks for taking the time to show us those results.
It seems to me the V2 improvements would be a solid step up on digital bodies. Perhaps not as noticeable on film though?

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Hello again everyone,

Here is some very non-scientific side by side measurements between the v1 and v2 Nokton 35 1.4 SC

https://drive.google.com/drive/folde...VF?usp=sharing

The things I noticed:

- Less distortion (from around 3%, to around 2.2%)
- Less field curvature (compare the max distances between green line and pink line in the "curv" pictures)
- A bit less focus shift at f4 (v1 is around 5th line shift on the chart. v2 is around 3rd line)
- At 1.4, both lenses are spot on.
- Bokeh of the v2 is a tad rounder on the edges.

The increased sharpness I felt before certainly comes from the better field flatness.

All in all, we can clearly observe the v2 is a greatly improved lens.

All the testings has been made with a Leica M240. On sony cameras, all of these figures will be worse because of sensor filter stack thickness of these cameras.

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It all depends what were your concerns on the v1. If it is about the distortion, I think it may be worth the upgrade as there is no other way to cope with distortion than having a good lens on a silver print.

About the focus shift, as you can see, it only causes a problem if your subject and point of focus is dead in the center. If you reframe your subject with the rule of thirds for example, the point of focus is actually well placed in the focus field. That is why some people never noticed it !

Lastly, about the sharpness, I think it can be relevant if you like to frame straight on flat surface, geometric walls, to get textures and so on.. A better field flatness fill give you sharper pictures.

It is up to ou weather or not the price difference is worth it (considering the fact that v2 noktons are still rare on the 2nd hand market)
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Hello again everyone,

Here is some very non-scientific side by side measurements between the v1 and v2 Nokton 35 1.4 SC

https://drive.google.com/drive/folde...VF?usp=sharing

The things I noticed:

- Less distortion (from around 3%, to around 2.2%)
- Less field curvature (compare the max distances between green line and pink line in the "curv" pictures)
- A bit less focus shift at f4 (v1 is around 5th line shift on the chart. v2 is around 3rd line)
- At 1.4, both lenses are spot on.
- Bokeh of the v2 is a tad rounder on the edges.

The increased sharpness I felt before certainly comes from the better field flatness.

All in all, we can clearly observe the v2 is a greatly improved lens.

All the testings has been made with a Leica M240. On sony cameras, all of these figures will be worse because of sensor filter stack thickness of these cameras.

Cheers!
Absolutely loved the clever workarounds for measuring the barrel distortion and the field curvature. Bravo!

If I weren't in love with the 40/1.2 I'd certainly go for a 35/1.4 v2 in MC version. Lovely tiny lens. I've in fact kept the vented rectangular 3d printed hood I used on the 40/1.4 I've had. Who knows...
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Any chance to see it on M9?
I haven't had a chance to shoot with it yet, just got it lastnight.
but here is a couple of photos on my M9



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Nice photos Steve. Really like the one with the dog and the waves. That's some great composition/use of foreground blurriness there!

And while I never tried the first version, it really looks like they have refined it to be a winner with the 2nd version. Some distortion apparently remains, but I wonder how much it is practically and if it would bother me.
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Around 2.2 ~ 2.3 % distortion
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Around 2.2 ~ 2.3 % distortion
Hah. I saw your very imaginative tests. Very helpful and definitely an improvement over the first version which I deemed as having too much distortion. I have a problem visualizing the distortion in real world shots though. I shoot a lot through windows, but at the same time I rarely shoot stuff straight on.

Unlike some others, I don't fundamentally hate a lens having a bit of distortion as long as it's not a bothersome amount or is unpredictable in behavior... (looking at you UC Hexanon!) .. as long as the lens is free from other major vices.
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Nice photos Steve. Really like the one with the dog and the waves. That's some great composition/use of foreground blurriness there!

And while I never tried the first version, it really looks like they have refined it to be a winner with the 2nd version. Some distortion apparently remains, but I wonder how much it is practically and if it would bother me.
Thanks. Pretty amazing that we have such great choices today. we truly are living in the golden age of rangefinder optics. This Nokton is sharp enough for my B&W film needs (and skill), but it has loads of character too. Great ergonomics. I now see why the pre-asph summilux has such a cult following.
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This sounds like an interesting lens. I had the first version two times and loved the ergonomics, but hated the prominent flare in even the easiest situations. Maybe, the comparison I had, were not fair, because I compared to Leicas FLE and Zeiss' Distagon 35/1.4 lenses. The VC is very tempting, not only because of its price, but also because of size and weight mainly. But if the flares ruin my pictures, it makes no sense.

Has someone here have some experience, about improvements regarding flare-resistance of version II?
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