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Old 12-15-2019   #1
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Nikon Z6 / Z7 Photos....

I just picked a Z7 up this week, along with the 50/1.8 lens. it is quite the camera!

Thought I'd start a Z6/Z7 image thread, for those of you who have taken the plunge into this series of cameras.

One of my first shots -- wide open at f/1.8.


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Initially I bought the camera for work, but it might just - just - be a future replacement to my Leicas. Seriously thinking about it!
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Hey Vince,

Nice shot.

Have had a Z6 for almost a year now, it's a seductive camera. The fact that you can adapt pretty much any lens you own to it, and it's such a breeze to manual focus, it really can replace so many other cameras.

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Very nice Vince...
Soft, refined, lovely gradations in tones

What lens
And which lenses do You plan on experimenting with ?
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Very nice Vince...
Soft, refined, lovely gradations in tones

What lens
And which lenses do You plan on experimenting with ?
Many thanks Helen - actually I think I’m going to work with the Z-mount primes. I have the 50/1.8, and I’ll be picking up the 35/1.8 as well as the 85/1.8. For work I’ll take advantage of all my F-mount lenses, and will be adding the D850 to my work kit as well. This is the year that all my Nikon bodies get updated!

My thought is to also use this out West next time instead of my Leica kit. I’m going to do some side by side tests with the Monochrom and see how the prints compare.

One thing that I did have to do was to upgrade all my software - new operating system, new ACR and of course PhotoShop CC. Still trying to navigate through this new version, as I’ve been working in CS5 for years.
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People say these Nikons are better non Leica FF mirrorless cameras to use M Leica lenses on, better than Sony or Canon's FF mirrorless cameras.
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Vince, I agree. I’ll bet there are a lot of Leica users who would get a “Z”series NIKON instead of a Leica mirrorless Camera if they ever had an opportunity to try the Nikon for a short time. The bonus is the beautiful results from other brands of lenses on the “Z”, but also including earlier Nikon glass. I love the results from R lenses and my CZ 35mm Flektogon in M42 mount. I too have the Nikon 50mm F1.8 prime “s” mount for Z camera and it is every bit as advertised.
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Vince, I agree. I’ll bet there are a lot of Leica users who would get a “Z”series NIKON instead of a Leica mirrorless Camera if they ever had an opportunity to try the Nikon for a short time. The bonus is the beautiful results from other brands of lenses on the “Z”, but also including earlier Nikon glass. I love the results from R lenses and my CZ 35mm Flektogon in M42 mount. I too have the Nikon 50mm F1.8 prime “s” mount for Z camera and it is every bit as advertised.
Yes those Z lenses seem to get great reviews. I only have the 50mm at the moment, but wide open it is fantastic. One of the things that I appreciate about this camera is all the focus points (I think there are 493?), so I don't have to focus and recompose. The other thing I appreciate is the fact that it uses the same batteries as my D800's.

It's definitely a tempting alternative to my Leicas, though I am still devoted to them. It will be interesting, however, to see how a print from the Z7 compares to a print from my Monochrom 246.
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Just did another of Lee -- I am liking this camera!


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Just did another of Lee -- I am liking this camera!
I can certainly see why...oh the GAS the GAS
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....... Ill bet there are a lot of Leica users who would get a Zseries NIKON instead of a Leica mirrorless Camera if they ever had an opportunity to try the Nikon for a short time. ......
Just as a personal observation, which might apply to no one but myself, not flaming, but I replaced a Leica SL 601 with the Nikon Z7, and could not be happier, either with the obvious sensor upgrade, (which is not in any way a Sony sensor as others have surmised, but from Tower Jazz, fwiw) or the handling. And, I really liked the SL. Getting better results with my Leica R glass when using the Nikon. YMMV, strictly a personal preference.
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My thought is to also use this out West next time instead of my Leica kit. Im going to do some side by side tests with the Monochrom and see how the prints compare.............
Vince,

I would love to see what you can do with the Z7 files, using sliders, color channels, etc, in LR, or PS, or C1, or anything else, to mimic the results, especially in terms of tonality, from the Leica Monochrom. Files from the Z7 sensor are so rich, I just know there's something wonderful in there somewhere

That's a PS action you could sell.
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Just as a personal observation, which might apply to no one but myself, not flaming, but I replaced a Leica SL 601 with the Nikon Z7, and could not be happier, either with the obvious sensor upgrade, (which is not in any way a Sony sensor as others have surmised, but from Tower Jazz, fwiw) or the handling. And, I really liked the SL. Getting better results with my Leica R glass when using the Nikon. YMMV, strictly a personal preference.
One thing that I have noticed with the EVF on the Nikon is that it plays well with my polarized sunglasses. The Leica SL didn’t work with them in horizontal format, but verticals were okay. But we all know how often Leica users shoot verticals!
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Just did another of Lee -- I am liking this camera!
It could be the processing, but the tones aren’t as good as the files you produce from your Leicas, especially in his skin. This was a problem I experienced with a lot of Nikon lenses produced from the 1970s-1990s when used with B&W film - many had a way of making pale skin look slightly darker toned than it is to the eye and without tonal variation that you might see with other lenses. Note I say “a lot of” not “all” as all the Nikon fans produce beautiful film B&W portraits.

If the camera is easily focused off centre and you can figure the processing, it may well be worth the switch. I love my Leica Ms, but they do not make anything easy.

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It could be the processing, but the tones arent as good as the files you produce from your Leicas, especially in his skin. This was a problem I experienced with a lot of Nikon lenses produced from the 1970s-1990s when used with B&W film - many had a way of making pale skin look slightly darker toned than it is to the eye and without tonal variation that you might see with other lenses. Note I say a lot of not all as all the Nikon fans produce beautiful film B&W portraits.

If the camera is easily focused off centre and you can figure the processing, it may well be worth the switch. I love my Leica Ms, but they do not make anything easy.

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Guess Id have to make a print of one of these and hold up to Lees face to compare the tones

Being that these are only about the 5th and 6th photos Ive taken with this camera, Id say its early days (plus getting used to PhotoShop CC, which I only started using today). What I really would like to do is a side-by-side comparison of the Z7 and 246 and see the differences.
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Hi all,
how about color?
Is it as good for color photography?
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Nice shots Vince!

I tried my M lenses on my Z7, and found they worked much better on my M240.
The Z7 is fantastic with the Z lenses, or G lenses with the FTZ adapter.

One thing I noticed is when I adapt lenses the EVF does not represent the actual exposure which is very disappointing. I have it set correctly etc (believe me I checked, double checked, triple checked etc..), but the exposures come out way too dark if I go by the EVF. I have to go by the histogram in the EVF and push it to the right just before it clips.
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Yes those Z lenses seem to get great reviews. I only have the 50mm at the moment, but wide open it is fantastic. One of the things that I appreciate about this camera is all the focus points (I think there are 493?), so I don't have to focus and recompose.
I have recently bought a Sony A7III Vince, and the main thing I appreciate is the ability to auto-track someone's eyes all over the frame without recomposing. It's like having my eyes back from when I was a 30-year-old using a good SLR screen. Except faster.
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how about color?
Is it as good for color photography?
Personally, yes, though tastes vary.

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I have recently bought a Sony A7III Vince, and the main thing I appreciate is the ability to auto-track someone's eyes all over the frame without recomposing. It's like having my eyes back from when I was a 30-year-old using a good SLR screen. Except faster.
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Yeah the Z7 does that as well -- amazing the things that they're adding to cameras.
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Thank you very much Larry!
To my eyes the color looks excellent!
Z7 or a further iteration might well be my definitive camera for photo! It is said to be ergonomic and it has for me that Nikon character that I loved so much in my Nikon F.
Moreover, I have many F mount lenses both Zeiss and Nikkor
Not counting the possibility to adapt Leica R or Contax lenses!
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Still getting used to this camera. I tried the 'highlight-weighted metering' and this is what I got:


Z7 Joe
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This is with the 50mm lens at f/1.8 - still beautifully sharp, and a ton of info in the shadows. Highlights seem to hold pretty well, though to me they look a bit 'veiled'. Clearly I need to spend a lot more time with this camera!

I shot a video with it this week for a client and it was really great. The in-camera image stabilization works very well, and the video looks really good.
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One thing I noticed is when I adapt lenses the EVF does not represent the actual exposure which is very disappointing. I have it set correctly etc (believe me I checked, double checked, triple checked etc..), but the exposures come out way too dark if I go by the EVF. I have to go by the histogram in the EVF and push it to the right just before it clips.
No comments from anyone who has tried to adapt lenses?
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I don’t have that issue with my Z6 and Leica R glass, my M42 CZ Jena lenses or Leica M glass and certainly not with G or earlier NIKON glass. I just focus wide open, then set “F” stop I want and camera does the rest.....with the non- NIKON lenses. I let the camera pick ISO up to 50,000 so no hiccups there exposure wise.
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I bought a Z7 a few weeks ago. It will be my second body for my wildlife work in Africa, but I figured it would make a great camera for experimenting with various manual focus lenses.

I want to acknowledge Huss for taking the lead on using adapted lenses on the Nikon Z bodies. This triggered my interest.

A couple of photos from Washington DC appear below. The first is with a 50mm Cron, the second with a Zeiss M-mount 35mm/2.8 C-Biogon. The Cron behaves like a champ, but the Zeiss 35 is distinctly soft in the corners.The same is true for the Leica Emarit 28/2.8, while the CV 28/1.8 LTM Nocton is stronger in the corners. More experimentation required.

Like Vince I bought the 50/1.8 Z and I'm extremely impressed.

Anyway, this promises to be a lot of fun when I am not off in the African bush.








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Getting there. With the 85/1.8 wide open - this lens has no business being this sharp wide open!


Riley Z7
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If you must know, I'm opening these images in ACR and then PhotoShop CC. Very little is being done to them -- a little bit of burning and dodging, not much else.
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I dont have that issue with my Z6 and Leica R glass, my M42 CZ Jena lenses or Leica M glass and certainly not with G or earlier NIKON glass. I just focus wide open, then set F stop I want and camera does the rest.....with the non- NIKON lenses. I let the camera pick ISO up to 50,000 so no hiccups there exposure wise.
The Z7 unfortunately does not work like that. With any non chipped lenses even with the EVF set to 'show actual exposure' (or whatever that setting is), the images come out about 3 stops too dark. What I see in the EVF is disappointingly inaccurate, I need to use the histogram in the EVF and push it to the right.
Other Z7 users on Fredmiranda.com have mentioned similar findings.

It is such a bummer because I can adapt any lens onto my Leica M240, and the crappy, really crappy EVF2 shows the correct exposure no matter what foreign chunk of glass is on the front.
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Both with the new 24-70 f/2.8 S lens for the Z7:


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Did a very small test this afternoon the in the backyard with the Z7 and the Monochrom 246.

Both cameras were at ISO 320, both lenses were at f/2 (50/1.8 for the Nikon, 50/1.4 Summilux ASPH for the Leica).

First here are the completely uncorrected versions (OOC RAW for both). Can you tell which is which?


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Leica Monochrom Nikon Z7 Test1
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Both cameras were set at Aperture Priority and the center of each was pointed at the same spot (more or less the nose of the Buddha).

Now here are 'corrected' versions of each shot -- by that I mean that I tried to make each shot look as good as I thought I could. No sharpening at all, yet I tried to get their tones as close to each other as possible.


Monochrom Z7 Corrected2
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Monochrom Z7 Corrected1
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Both the first and second versions of each pair are from the same respective camera (so #1 of each is the same camera, #2 of each is the same camera).

Any thoughts?
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First person who says, “ I can always tell the $3,000 Summilux 50 ASPH on a Leica Monochrom from the $600 Nikkor 50mm f/1.8 S lens on a Nikon Z7 when I look at a fiber print, so this test is useless......” That person has to buy the rest of us dinner.
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First person who says, “ I can always tell the $3,000 Summilux 50 ASPH on a Leica Monochrom from the $600 Nikkor 50mm f/1.8 S lens on a Nikon Z7 when I look at a fiber print, so this test is useless......” That person has to buy the rest of us dinner.
You’re definitely right there! Both are exceedingly close. I’m actually surprised at how good all those Z lenses are.

I now have the 35, 50, 85 and now the 24-70/2.8 and each and every one of them is super-duper. This camera has certainly made me reconsider the immediate purchase of the M10 Monochrom when it is released.

One thing I forgot to post were tight crops of these images. Stand by!
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Crop from first 'corrected' photo:


Monochrom Z7 Corrected2 Crop
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Crop from second 'corrected' photo:


Monochrom Z7 Corrected1 Crop
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Don't forget - both of these were shot at f/2, no sharpening added in post.
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I am going to guess that the second set is from the Nikon.

But I’m prepared to be wrong. ;-)

I like my Z6 a lot.
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Thanks for the test Vince. Splittin hairs here. My guess is #2 is 50mm asph since the in-focus falloff seems slightly quicker. Thats one reason Im not a fan of the asphs is the abrupt out-of-focus transitions. In your photos, it might be where the focus is for each lens thats giving me that impression. Again, splitting hairs.
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First one is the Nikon, second is the Monochrom. Both pretty darned close - also illustrates how the sensors are doing.

Of course this is just a quick, seat of the pants test. Not on a tripod, just a spur of the moment side-by-side test. Next will likely be print comparisons!
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Good stuff Vince. Comparisons like this is why I never was interested in the Monochroms.
You should do the same if you can between an M240 and the Monochrom.
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I don't have access to an M240, however I have made prints from my M-D (which I think is pretty much the same sensor). Black and white prints look good, and I'd be hard-pressed to tell the difference between them and those from the Monochrom.

I still love my Monochrom, but this initial test gives me a bit of an idea of the potential pathway forward for me.

One thing I did find interesting is why the Leica's meter read that scene differently than the Nikon's, and seemed to overexpose by 1/2-2/3 of a stop (I even have the Leica's meter set to -1/3). Still managed to hold onto the highlights though!
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Gosh, excellent comparison, revealing but tiny differences. Superb black and white tones in both too.
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The meter on my m240 always seems to overexpose by that amount. Anytime the scene is slightly dark or subdued. This is in classic meter mode.
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Gosh, excellent comparison, revealing but tiny differences. Superb black and white tones in both too.
Thanks Charles -- I'm going to do it again. In my last post I was wondering why the Leica seemed to overexpose the scene -- I just found out why. I checked my metering setting in the Nikon -- I had it set to Highlight Weighted. Whoops.

I'm going to try it again with both meters set to manual to make sure I get the same initial exposures. I think I'll also try the 35mm lenses (I have the 35/1.8 for the Nikon, and a 35/1.4 Summilux and goggled 35/2 Summicron V1).

So here's a question -- 24mp CMOS Monochrom sensor vs the 45mp Nikon sensor. Does the lack of the Bayer filter in the Monochrom seemingly 'bump up' the megapixels? I am completely not up on this stuff, so if someone has some more 'seasoned' info than I do, please let me know!
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The meter on my m240 always seems to overexpose by that amount. Anytime the scene is slightly dark or subdued. This is in classic meter mode.
Yes I have had that happen too -- I seem to go back and forth between -1/3 and -2/3 in my meter adjustments. Classic mode as well. Interestingly I've never had it happen with the M-D.
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