TTArtisan 21mm F1.5
Old 12-09-2019   #1
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TTArtisan 21mm F1.5

When will the insanity end?

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Old 12-09-2019   #2
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Wow! Impressive. This is just great.

Now what we need are some new reasonably priced full frame Leica M bodies (film and digital).
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Now what we need are some new reasonably priced full frame Leica M bodies (film and digital).
Hear hear! That's what I've been thinking for years...

It must be doable.
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Old 12-10-2019   #4
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How many times it is heavier and larger than M body? Looks like x2 at least.
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Old 12-10-2019   #5
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How many times it is heavier and larger than M body? Looks like x2 at least.
It says 405 grams on the spec sheet. Very close to the CV 21/1.8 Ultron (412g), which is about 0.8 standard M weight.

BTW the Leica Summilux-M 21/1.4 comes at 580 grams, which makes it a tiny bit heavier than a M4.
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Old 12-10-2019   #6
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How many times it is heavier and larger than M body? Looks like x2 at least.
Website says 405g. Not bad. AliExpress sells it too.

It's awesome DJ Optical and all these Artisans are coming out with these lenses. I had the 50/1.1 for a while and really liked the photos, but it was too big for using on rangefinders and I sold it.

I'm curious, what would be the situation that this lens shines over a slower and smaller 21mm lens like a CV 21/4? Night street scenes? I guess the same could be said about the 28/1.4, especially when a f2.8 max aperture lens is still fairly small. The larger size does not seem worth it, but I am probably missing the point .
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Website says 405g. Not bad. AliExpress sells it too.

It's awesome DJ Optical and all these Artisans are coming out with these lenses. I had the 50/1.1 for a while and really liked the photos, but it was too big for using on rangefinders and I sold it.

I'm curious, what would be the situation that this lens shines over a slower and smaller 21mm lens like a CV 21/4? Night street scenes? I guess the same could be said about the 28/1.4, especially when a f2.8 max aperture lens is still fairly small. The larger size does not seem worth it, but I am probably missing the point .
Where I'm Sun is under horizon for most of the day from November to February. I have film rated @6400 today with me and in the full morning it was f5.6 /250 maximum. This film cost me 15 CAD for 36 exp. With 1.5 lens I could use ISO400 film which is way less expensive. Later in the day f1.5 would be handy, especially with 21 lens to have some DOF.

My current 20mm f3.8 weights about the same as this 21mm f1.5 .
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I thought this would create more interest here ... a 21mm that fast for that price!

Seems everyone is too busy getting keyed up over the 35mm f2 Summicron clone that gets ever closer.
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Old 12-10-2019   #9
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I've been moving away from larger RF lenses, but this does pique my interest, especially for the price. Glad to see more RF lens options.
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The sweet spot for me for a regular use wide angle lens is 28mm.
Partly because my rf cameras still have frames in the vf for that.
I’m using the 7A 28 1.4 which is excellent.
I already have 25/21/18mm lenses but obviously use external finders for
those which is ok as I consider them more specialized.

Still I’ll look forward to some tests before I decide whether or not my life be complete without it...
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The sweet spot for me for a regular use wide angle lens is 28mm.
Partly because my rf cameras still have frames in the vf for that.
I’m using the 7A 28 1.4 which is excellent.
I already have 25/21/18mm lenses but obviously use external finders for
those which is ok as I consider them more specialized.

Still I’ll look forward to some tests before I decide whether or not my life be complete without it...
Interestingly this is a lens that an RD1 owner could covet ... and there are a few of us left. I won't be buying it but to be able to have that field of view on the Epson's crop sensor and that speed really broadens that camera's horizons!
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Old 12-10-2019   #12
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This is a very very interesting lens.. My last experience with a 21mm was with a VM 15mm on a M8, and i loved it.
Honestly i was waiting for a fast-ish Voigtlander, but with the release of the 21 f/3.5, this TTartisan that's half the price & 2,5 stops faster makes more sense.
I'll wait a couple of -hopefully positive- reviews to come out and then i'll buy one for sure.
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Old 12-10-2019   #13
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It is an amazing lens..for its wide Field of view and its speed and for its affordable price.

I wonder how good it is optically and at the bigger apertures?

Something half its physical size and at f 2 maximum aperture would be even more enticing.
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I don't have any 21mm lens that fits my M9. Mine are non-retrofocus design lenses.
This lens is very GAS inspiring!

On second thought, ny Hologon 16/8 is a 21mm lens on the M8. It is a tiny lens.
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Old 12-22-2019   #15
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Got mine in the post this week. Incredibly impressed with it!

Thought it would be a stop gap until Voigtlander come out with an M mount 21 1.4 (I hope that is on the cards) but looking at the images I think it does what I need.

Expected a lens that would be good for the price point and got a lens that is just good!

Both shots at f1.5, managed to spot Tom Hollander to help test the lens' street shooting credentials, top image is at min focus distance of 0.7m:



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Old 12-22-2019   #16
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21mm (and wider) are best for landscapes and close ups - very close up. Used close up with a narrow DOF you can get some very interesting photos. Unfortunately rangefinders don't allow focusing closeup. In this case something like 0.7m. At that focal length even an aperture of 1.5 gives a big DOF.
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Old 12-22-2019   #17
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21mm (and wider) are best for landscapes and close ups - very close up. Used close up with a narrow DOF you can get some very interesting photos. Unfortunately rangefinders don't allow focusing closeup. In this case something like 0.7m. At that focal length even an aperture of 1.5 gives a big DOF.
f1.5 DOF at 0.7 is less than three inches. And if you really know meters and what DOF is, it is ten cm. At this DOF you could barely catch one face in focus...

But, yea, 20-21 is just awesome for absolutely anything close and wide. Including lousy landscapes.
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Old 12-22-2019   #18
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If this lens is anywhere near close to Leica quality (optics and build) it would be an insane steal.

Also looking forward to seeing how this lens performs

https://leicarumors.com/2019/11/10/c...-m-mount.aspx/
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Old 12-22-2019   #19
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The shot above is actually from the first test I did, which was to see if I should modify the minimum focus distance as I have a 21 f4 that now goes to 0.4m and a 35 f2.5 that goes to 0.5m.

I found that at f1.5 the DoF is so thin that the shot looks similar enough to the 35mm, (as you can’t see the wide perspective in the bokeh,) just with the focused object looking more stretched - so not ideal for a portrait which would be my main use. So I have decided 0.7m is close enough for my needs at f1.5 and if I want a distorted close up I can use the f4, but ymmv...

35 F2.5 vs 21 F1.5:



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There is a new article (with pictures&tech details) in a Chinese website about the lens and comparisons to Summilux 1.4/21 asph...
https://www.weibo.com/ttarticle/p/sh...46711866064924
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Old 12-23-2019   #21
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to me
the Best 21
Leica's most Atmospheric lenses... the 21 Super Angulon
so full of character.... a size that gives you no grief
The only problem, it does not work on certain cameras... i am not talking about metering, who cares, but the back element is so elongated that You cannot use on various digital cams... boohoo !

This new lens at f1.5 sounds Divine but the size puts me off...
realistically speaking
even though I still use film I don't need a 1.5 with a 21mm

here is a photo at night at f3.4 with Miss Angulon ...YUM !

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why leica fans has such a hard time accepting the fact that others also can make great lenses for a fraction of price?
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‘Nzeeman ‘
Tsk, tsk, labeling me ... I don’t just use leica

I have no problem accepting other lenses
the Artisan fast 50 mm is YUM!!!
Just not a 21 that’s all , too big , not as much character

I Agree with You, Great Price and fast... I am sure for some it will be utterly fantastic
Nothing wrong with that
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I'm really considering this lens, it would be a good match to add to the rotation of my 35/50 combo. The size isn't really an issue, and it looks like it would work on an M5, the rear element doesn't seem to protrude much at all. I'm glad to see some more reviews coming out.
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Got my copy last Monday.
Unfortunately, the week was packed at work.

First impression:

well built, a tad soft wide open (no wonder!), quickly sharp when stopped down

But I need to shoot a lot more before I can say more...
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Kent: let us know how you view your lens and images from it on a digital camera.
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‘Nzeeman ‘
Tsk, tsk, labeling me ... I don’t just use leica

I have no problem accepting other lenses
the Artisan fast 50 mm is YUM!!!
Just not a 21 that’s all , too big , not as much character

I Agree with You, Great Price and fast... I am sure for some it will be utterly fantastic
Nothing wrong with that
Helen: It is easier to find suitable 21mm lenses for film cameras than lenses for digital cameras, as you know. I like the Canon 19mm 3.5 ltm and also the 20mm 4 Rokkor that I use with an ltm adapter. These two lenses are non retrofocus lenses that will not work well with digital cameras.


The lens size and weight is important to me too. My Hologon 16mm lens is tiny. On my film M cameras I get a 16mm lens while on my M8 I get a 21mm lens with some but not much color "smears" , On the M9, this lens really smears badly in color, but B&W images look vert cool from it. I could just view my Hologon as my 21mm lens.
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What are all you guys using for viewfinders?
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What are all you guys using for viewfinders?
I am using a 20mm viewfinder which fits pretty well.
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I also use a 20mm Russian finder.
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What are all you guys using for viewfinders?
I am using Bessa R4M. Finders, what finders?
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I just ordered one from hopefully a US seller in NJ. Their feedback seems to be hit or miss on shipping, but it said they had 5 in stock. Hoping that it gets here ASAP, my son is due March 20th, and I want this for the delivery room.
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^^^ Congratulations on the upcoming joyful addition to the family! Expect you'll probably share your impressions on this interesting lens too...
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Thanks Doug! I will. The labor rooms are tiny, I figured this would be a great one to have for in there, and for my wedding photography as well.
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Well scratch me getting the lens . The seller isn't from the US, they're in Hong Kong, and are backordered, not 5 in stock. Frustrated and hoping I get my money back sooner rather than later. Very annoying. Don't deal with t-dimension / eurocart / trendystar / gadget on eBay.
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I get items faster from HK, than from USA. BH is the only exclusion.

I used 28-75 and macro lenses in delivery room. Babies are small objects.
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That's good to know Ko.Fe. Regardless of if HK is faster for you, Minimum 2 week wait before shipping means I wouldn't have it in time.
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