Using almost antique film
Old 12-27-2016   #1
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Using almost antique film

I came across these today, three rolls of 127 colour expired in 1976 and one roll of black and white expired in 1966.



Has anyone had any success using film of this age? I'm thinking I might give the black and white a go but I really don't think the colour will do anything.

However I am excited that I now have 4 extra 127 reels I can use for trimming and respooling 120 film, I may even be able to use the backing paper.
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I came across these today, three rolls of 127 colour expired in 1976 and one roll of black and white expired in 1966.



Has anyone had any success using film of this age? I'm thinking I might give the black and white a go but I really don't think the colour will do anything.

However I am excited that I now have 4 extra 127 reels I can use for trimming and respooling 120 film, I may even be able to use the backing paper.

Troy Walters has a site on Flickr dedicated to extremely expired film.

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Keith rescued some exposed b/w film much older than that some while back. I don't recall any threads on color though. Neither the color nor the b/w are likely to give great results I should think. If you try, I hope your will share your methods and results.
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That's not antique. This is antique. I'm debating selling them but damn they look so nice and vintage-y.

Doubt they could still be used.

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Keith rescued some exposed b/w film much older than that some while back. I don't recall any threads on color though. Neither the color nor the b/w are likely to give great results I should think. If you try, I hope your will share your methods and results.
Thank you, along with this I found 2 rolls of probably 1950s exposed film that I intend to process, I'm doing a lot of research to figure out the best way to go about this.

I'm not expecting great results, it's just something I want to do.

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That's not antique. This is antique. I'm debating selling them but damn they look so nice and vintage-y.

Doubt they could still be used.

I'd hang on to them, they are too pretty to sell.
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I can't answer your question but that Kodak Verichrome Pan image you posted sure brings back a lot of memories. That is the film I used to shoot back in the 1950's when I first started taking pictures. My Brownie Holiday camera used Size 127. I used Verichrome Pan for many years until I switched to Tri-X in the 1970's when I bought my first SLR.
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I'd hang on to them, they are too pretty to sell.
I know, right? Stellar graphics on them.
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I can't answer your question but that Kodak Verichrome Pan image you posted sure brings back a lot of memories. That is the film I used to shoot back in the 1950's when I first started taking pictures. My Brownie Holiday camera used Size 127. I used Verichrome Pan for many years until I switched to Tri-X in the 1970's when I bought my first SLR.
I took this one apart today and fixed a sticky shutter, I intend to modify some 120 film and use it.



My first camera in 1974 was my Mother's Brownie 127, she developed a monster when she gave it to me, I've been clicking shutters since then.
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I know, right? Stellar graphics on them.
Yep, although if you have any 6.5 x 9 plates in there I could be tempted to try them.
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Well, technically, anything over twenty-five years old is considered antique, at least when it comes to automobiles.

One method used by some folks I know who develop old film is to reduce the ISO a stop for every ten years of age since expiry date.

Fogging though could be a problem.

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Well, technically, anything over twenty-five years old is considered antique, at least when it comes to automobiles.

One method used by some folks I know who develop old film is to reduce the ISO a stop for every ten years of age since expiry date.

Fogging though could be a problem.

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That's actually a very good start, I'll shoot one of the colour films then see if I can push it by four stops and see what comes out.

I'm also wondering about processing one of the colour flms in black and white chemistry, I guess I'll try one in each and see what works.
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This is a photo from an unused "who-knows-how-old" roll of film that was in a Russian camera. Because I didn't know what it was, I shot it at 100. All the shots that came out were like this or worse.
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HC-110 is the developer of choice for expired films (B&W). It is best for fog. Gene M. on PhotoNet is the expert on these films. Read his website or go on PhotoNet and see how much added development time is required.

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How the heck are they developing Vivian Maier's rolls then?

She left loads of color and bw, undeveloped.

I tried developing some color rolls from the 90's once, even with a good strong push, there was hardly a visible negative left to scan, mostly just fog. (Eastern European brand though).
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The Verichrome Pan might still be good enough to use, if it has been in cool storage - this was soft and uncritical low speed film to start with. I used the last bits of mine about 15 years after expiration, and it had no issues other than increased base fog.
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Stash of 126 film. The Kodachrome expired in 1967. The Verichrome Pan in 1983. But, I've never shot any of it...
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That Fotomat 127 is probably C22 film, and will have to be developed as black and white today. Verichrome Pan is noted for having a very long shelf life, fixing it for longer than usual should eliminate some of the base fog.
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That Fotomat 127 is probably C22 film, and will have to be developed as black and white today. Verichrome Pan is noted for having a very long shelf life, fixing it for longer than usual should eliminate some of the base fog.
I just opened one of the Fotomax and there is nothing on the box or roll listing the developing process, C-22 does seem most likely.

I'm going to run a roll today and process it in black and white chemicals and see what I get.
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Link to an album of shots done with an Olympus XA on very old Kodak 100 VR film. Some were from the original owner (the first 14 on the roll), and the rest were mine. The latent images held up pretty good, considering the storage condition of the camera. It was commercially developed at box speed.

https://flic.kr/s/aHskkzqjqD

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Link to an album of shots done with an Olympus XA on very old Kodak 100 VR film. Some were from the original owner (the first 14 on the roll), and the rest were mine. The latent images held up pretty good, considering the storage condition of the camera. It was commercially developed at box speed.

https://flic.kr/s/aHskkzqjqD

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Very cool! I'll scan anything I get off these films and post it here later.
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Years ago (2009) I found two rolls of old Fuji color, best guess being ca. 2001-ish, which had been sitting in a cool cellar store room for about 5 years.

I asked the folks here for an opinion on if it would be worth using and most said it should be near-normal. I tried one roll, fortunately on nothing really important.

The results were tres disappointing! I discarded the other roll.
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So, I shot a roll of the Fotomat this morning and developed in B&W chemistry, it is 100% opaque.

Of the 2 35mm, the Kodak can just had a cut off end inside, the Ansco I developed in Ilfosol-3 for 12.5 minutes. It has images but is very dense and fogged, I'm going to let it sit in fixer for a while and see if it will lighten up any.
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That Fotomat 127 is probably C22 film, and will have to be developed as black and white today. Verichrome Pan is noted for having a very long shelf life, fixing it for longer than usual should eliminate some of the base fog.
Right, C22 processing is expensive as only a few people will do it. I bought a bunch of antique cameras last Summer for my collection. One was a Starflash with film in it. I developed it B&W and it came out very good. The photos were from the late 60's, as I gave a set of prints to the people I bought the cameras from. They identified the birthday party on the photos.
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I took this one apart today and fixed a sticky shutter, I intend to modify some 120 film and use it.



My first camera in 1974 was my Mother's Brownie 127, she developed a monster when she gave it to me, I've been clicking shutters since then.
That's the camera! It brings back a flood of feelings just to see an image of it!

No need to modify your 120 film to use in your Brownie Holiday, you can buy Size 127 film at Freestyle. Here's the link:

http://www.freestylephoto.biz/200127...-Film-127-Size
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That's the camera! It brings back a flood of feelings just to see an image of it!

No need to modify your 120 film to use in your Brownie Holiday, you can buy Size 127 film at Freestyle. Here's the link:

http://www.freestylephoto.biz/200127...-Film-127-Size
Thank you, I'm going to order some, the camera is fun, takes you back to the bare bones of photography! Now I just have to fix the flash, I have several bulbs for it.
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Panatomic X, I don't know the expiry, but the roll had a long leader, do probably sometime in the '60's or '70's. The best looking negatives that I have ever produced.

https://www.flickr.com/search/?user_...text=Panatomic

Svema NK2-SN, expired 1970

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ORWO 125, expired 1983

https://www.flickr.com/search/?user_...ll=1&text=ORWO

Black and white film can hold up quite well.
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Color film, the slow emulsions age well.

Ektar 25, expired 1989

https://www.flickr.com/search/?user_...ext=Ektar%2025

Agfa Ultra Color 50, expired 1993

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I "stand processed" some B&W film that was exposed in the mid-1960's that I found in an old camera. It came out really grainy, and pretty high contrast, but it was cool seeing images that were taken 50 years ago and that had not been seen by anyone over all those years.
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Here is a 'mid-60s' found film (photo) from a plastic camera that was given to me. Plastic camera found films are the worst because light does get through plastic over time:

Not that anyone will ever use it: this is 50+ year old Verichrome Pan film in a found Kodak StarFlash (127). I developed at 65 degrees, 16 minutes, HC-110h, normal agitation. These look like about 1963-65.

50+ year old Verichrome by John Carter, on Flickr
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Here is a 'mid-60s' found film (photo) from a plastic camera that was given to me. Plastic camera found films are the worst because light does get through plastic over time:

Not that anyone will ever use it: this is 50+ year old Verichrome Pan film in a found Kodak StarFlash (127). I developed at 65 degrees, 16 minutes, HC-110h, normal agitation. These look like about 1963-65.

50+ year old Verichrome by John Carter, on Flickr
Oh, I have a roll of it in 116 that I might put through a Kodak Autographic.
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The Ansco film is now dry, and rolled into a VERY tight tube, I have cut it into sections and have it in an archival sleeve flattening under some books, in a few days I should be able to get some decent scans, in the meantime I did get these by scanning through the sleeves.







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After posting these on a local Facebook group, we have now dated them to 1948-1949 and have the address where they were taken, the hunt is on for the family.
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Thank you, I'm going to order some, the camera is fun, takes you back to the bare bones of photography! Now I just have to fix the flash, I have several bulbs for it.

Be sure to post the results here from using that film in your Brownie Holiday. I'd sure love to see the images.

It was definitely a bare bones type of camera. As I recall, there was nothing to prevent double exposure like there is on more modern cameras. As a result, I accidentally double exposed a few frames. Ouch! But, if truth be known, as a 9 year old I loved that camera.
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Be sure to post the results here from using that film in your Brownie Holiday. I'd sure love to see the images.

It was definitely a bare bones type of camera. As I recall, there was nothing to prevent double exposure like there is on more modern cameras. As a result, I accidentally double exposed a few frames. Ouch! But, if truth be known, as a 9 year old I loved that camera.
I ordered it yesterday, I will be sure to post results, and yes, there is nothing to prevent double exposures!
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We have now found the family in the photos, this has been fun.

Now I need to find some more old film to develop!
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