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Old 01-14-2016   #1
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Fuji X-Pro2 'Leaked"

Fuji Australia "leaks" most everything about X-Pro2

http://photorumors.com/2016/01/14/fu...nt/#more-78478

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There seems to be no excuse for them to wait 4 years to upgrade this camera.
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Fuji Australia "leaks" most everything about X-Pro2

http://photorumors.com/2016/01/14/fu...nt/#more-78478

see the links to google cache

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A 24MP APS-C sensor from 2013 at $1,800? They can't be serious.

I like the Xpro1 concept and this iteration is obviously more polished, but I just can't see people not going full frame at this price range.
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A 24MP APS-C sensor from 2013 at $1,800? They can't be serious.

I like the Xpro1 concept and this iteration is obviously more polished, but I just can't see people not going full frame at this price range.
I know it's likely, but are we sure that the sensor is from 2013? They are calling it the XTRANS III and I am hoping it's shiny and new and capable.
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A 24MP APS-C sensor from 2013 at $1,800? They can't be serious.

I like the Xpro1 concept and this iteration is obviously more polished, but I just can't see people not going full frame at this price range.
The hybrid optical/electronic viewfinder will continue to attract buyers, I being one.
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I'm not saying I'm not buying it, but it seems to be a bit of a typical Fuji refresh at this point. Not a refresh worthy of a 4 year wait.
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I know it's likely, but are we sure that the sensor is from 2013? They are calling it the XTRANS III and I am hoping it's shiny and new and capable.
XTRANS I and II are more or less the same Sony sensor, with II adding phase detection pixels.

As of now the only two makers of a 24MP APS-C sensor are Sony and Toshiba. The Nikon sensor used in the D5500 is the latter, and it does indeed perform better than the Sony version (which is the one from 2013). But I've never heard about any collaboration between Fuji and Nikon on the sensor front. It's possible, but (as you said) not very likely.

Yet Fuji has a history of using Sony sensors, even before they introduced X-trans. The A6000 sensor with a new CFA is by far the most likely option...

...and word on the street is that Sony will bring out a 32MP BSI sensor for the A6100 very soon.
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A 24MP APS-C sensor from 2013 at $1,800? They can't be serious.

I like the Xpro1 concept and this iteration is obviously more polished, but I just can't see people not going full frame at this price range.
Have you seen the proposed price for the m4/3 Olympus PEN-F?

Besides, if the X-Pro2 follows the same pricing scheme as the X-Pro1, it'll be $800 in 18 months.

In the end, updating the autofocus, bumping dynamic range a stop, and dramatically improving the EVF is enough to make me want the camera. The price is high, sure, but I seldom buy cameras new anyway. X-Pro2 is my camera for 2018!
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I value the OVF and I was looking forward to XPro2 getting the hybrid solution that X100T has.
Since I don't care for any other "updated" specs, $1800 is hard to justify.
An X-pro1 at $350 (and dropping) starts to look really good...
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So it doesnt have the same upgraded OVF that the X100T has? just the same OVF that the old xpro1 has?
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I'm sure it's going to be a great camera, but I have to ask, why didn't Fuji consider making the X-Pro 2 a full frame sensor camera??

I'm sure that will sway more than a few Leica owners into the Fuji camp.
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Have you seen the proposed price for the m4/3 Olympus PEN-F?

Besides, if the X-Pro2 follows the same pricing scheme as the X-Pro1, it'll be $800 in 18 months.

In the end, updating the autofocus, bumping dynamic range a stop, and dramatically improving the EVF is enough to make me want the camera. The price is high, sure, but I seldom buy cameras new anyway. X-Pro2 is my camera for 2018!
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I'm not saying I'm not buying it, but it seems to be a bit of a typical Fuji refresh at this point. Not a refresh worthy of a 4 year wait.
There were rumors about it being the newest 24mp sensor from Sony and that the hold up on release was due to issues on the Sony side having to solve last minute bugs on their next gen a6000.

There has always been rumors (can't remember if anyone has ever had proof) that they used Sony sensors and applied their own filter mask and digital path to it.

Could they have done it w/ the old Sony sensor, probably...but I suspect w/ their limited resources, they prioritized other items ahead such as xt1.

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...and word on the street is that Sony will bring out a 32MP BSI sensor for the A6100 very soon.
I heard both...an improved 24mp w/ more phase detect points and the larger sensor. Will be interesting to c which they finally ship.

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So it doesnt have the same upgraded OVF that the X100T has? just the same OVF that the old xpro1 has?
The ad video, though boring and dumb, hinted at a very nice improvement in the ovf.

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I'm sure it's going to be a great camera, but I have to ask, why didn't Fuji consider making the X-Pro 2 a full frame sensor camera??

I'm sure that will sway more than a few Leica owners into the Fuji camp.
It has been reported that the X mount is too small for Full frame. But even if it was large enough, Fuji will have to rebuild a lens lineup from scratch.

The EVF is a new, high-resolution panel. But the magnification rate isn't great. Tradeoffs for the hybrid design, no doubt.
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As of now the only two makers of a 24MP APS-C sensor are Sony and Toshiba.
Sony and Toshiba sensors are the same now.

http://www.theverge.com/2015/12/4/98...ensor-business

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So it doesnt have the same upgraded OVF that the X100T has? just the same OVF that the old xpro1 has?
It will but since it will be the only change over X-Pro1 that is important to me, I can't justify the extra $1500.

Unfortunately they didn't improve the magnification of the OVF.
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XE-2S looking pretty unexciting too, but at least the've not dropped the X-E series entirely...
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l must admit to being still in love with my X Pro 1 and find it the perfect camera for me, not a perfect camera but a camera that fits my need.
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I'm sure it's going to be a great camera, but I have to ask, why didn't Fuji consider making the X-Pro 2 a full frame sensor camera??

I'm sure that will sway more than a few Leica owners into the Fuji camp.

I would have. As long as the hybrid finder doesn't give me motion sickness.
As is, no interest seeing that it is in the same price range as the full frame cameras from Sony and Nikon (DSLRs).
Even the Nikon D7200 is about $600 less. While you can get 3 Sony A6000s for the price of one Xpro1. Both of which most prob have much better AF.
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Where does this obsession with full frame come from? I can't understand why anyone would think for a second that Fuji would consider a 35mm sensor for any of their cameras. It's just not needed. They have a full line up of wonderful lenses all made for their crop sensors (which I would put a lot of money on people not being able to distinguish from a full frame sensor on screen never mind prints).

The difference between APS-C and 35mm is just marketing now. I think the only justifiable reason for absolutely must have 35mm is for lenses to behave at a specific focal length - e.g. Leica with its back catalogue of world beating lenses. As someone who shoots large format cameras I find the 'full frame' obsession bizarre - 35mm, APS-C, APS-H, M43, they're all arbitrary small camera crops and the difference is unnoticeable when not pixelpeeping.

Photographers are getting spoilt these days. The original X-Pro1 is a fantastic camera (yet moaned about by pixelpeepers) and more camera than a lot of people need. How anyone can moan about a camera with specs like the X-Pro2 (if true) which will no doubt settle down into a nice price range soon after launch is beyond me...
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It's not fill frame because their entire lens lineup is not full frame yet.
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How anyone can moan about a camera with specs like the X-Pro2 (if true) which will no doubt settle down into a nice price range soon after launch is beyond me...
Because we waited 4 years for something that could have been made 2 years ago. Fuji even stated that they would not release an updated X-Pro until they had significant improvements. It's a nice camera, but just something that could have been brought to the market last year.
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Where does this obsession with full frame come from?..... I think the only justifiable reason for absolutely must have 35mm is for lenses to behave at a specific focal length - e.g. Leica with its back catalogue of world beating lenses.
You answered it yourself.

As well as the fact that with a ff mirrorless via lens adapters your choice is incredible, not just Leica glass. And it is really nice to be able to maintain the 'intended' focal length. As well as the ff sensors being less noisy at high ISOs.

Sony already offers that option with its A7 series cameras at this price point.
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This part is interesting...
..Acros black and white film simulation
..Grain Effect option for JPEGs
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...and this,
273 Autofocus points (77 of which PDAF).
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You answered it yourself.

As well as the fact that with a ff mirrorless via lens adapters your choice is incredible, not just Leica glass. And it is really nice to be able to maintain the 'intended' focal length. As well as the ff sensors being less noisy at high ISOs.

Sony already offers that option with its A7 series cameras at this price point.
+ 1. Because I thought that I did not like the design and handling of the A7 I had resisted FF for long, but for someone using manual legacy lenses mostly in the 24mm to 50mm range the difference of choices and possibilities is staggering.
For someone using native AF lenses it's a different matter
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In 2014, I went to an exhibition of photos by Gen Sakuma here in Tokyo. The event was mentioned by TCS here.

I will let the FF proponents make their own arguments, and I won't disagree with them, but this exhibition convinced me that you don't need a digital Leica, that you don't need FF and to buy the X100s!
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So finally new models are out, DPreview has the details as well. Fuji camera story has been interesting to follow even when am probably never going to get one. Likewise fans agony for waiting so many years for updated XPro has been painful to watch
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