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Jupiter 1.5
Old 01-26-2009   #1
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I was wondering what some of the "seasoned" RF users think of the Jupiter 1.5. I have the Industar 61LD on my Canon P and also the rigid Canon 1.8.
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Old 01-26-2009   #2
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I was wondering what some of the "seasoned" RF users think of the Jupiter 1.5. I have the Industar 61LD on my Canon P and also the rigid Canon 1.8.
The J-3 is a copy of the Zeiss 50/1.5 Sonnar. Famous lens with a lot of fans here at RFF. A good J-3 is a beauty of a lens.
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You have to find a good one ... and keep it

But since you have a Canon P, do yourself a favor and try to find a Canon 50/1.5. Same design, but built like a Swiss watch.

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Old 01-26-2009   #4
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I love my J3, it's a great lens. It's very soft and crazy looking wide open, and extremely sharp stopped down. I've heard the Canon version is just as nice, and better built. I think the Canon version is also a fair bit more expensive.

I have a bunch of examples from the lens on Flickr.
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The OOF for the J-3 looks to my eyes different from the OOF of a pre-war 5cm uncoated Zeiss lens.
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Old 01-26-2009   #6
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Raid - your first good J-3 is now living a happy life down-under.

Roland is right about the build quality of the Canon 50mm/f1.5 - the J-3 isn't even in the same league. Also there is a much better chance that any Canon you might find will focus properly on your P. When you buy a J-3 it's a bit of a roll of the dice and chances are that the lens will need to be re-shimmed to perform on par with the Canon.

My own preference is to use the Canon for color and the J-3 (and other older Sonnars) for B/W. It might just be my particular examples of these lenses, but the J-3 gives slightly smoother OOF, while the field curvature is better-corrected in the Canon.
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Raid - your first good J-3 is now living a happy life down-under.

Roland is right about the build quality of the Canon 50mm/f1.5 - the J-3 isn't even in the same league. Also there is a much better chance that any Canon you might find will focus properly on your P. When you buy a J-3 it's a bit of a roll of the dice and chances are that the lens will need to be re-shimmed to perform on par with the Canon.

My own preference is to use the Canon for color and the J-3 (and other older Sonnars) for B/W. It might just be my particular examples of these lenses, but the J-3 gives slightly smoother OOF, while the field curvature is better-corrected in the Canon.

John,

Did Keith get it? That J-3 was very sharp.
Anyways, I am quite happy with my Zeiss 5cm 1.5 and 2.0 Sonnar uncoated LTM lenses. The 1.5 is very sharp.
I like using color with the uncoated Zeiss Sonnar. With Reala, the outcomes look like pastel.
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What $$ range are the rigid 1.5 Serenar`s?
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What $$ range are the rigid 1.5 Serenar`s?
Around US 250-300.

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I'm waiting for a Heliar Classic (50/2) to arrive and haven't decided what to do with my J-3, which Kim Coxon kindly fixed for me. Maybe I shall keep it for its different "look", specially at wide apertures; but then I don't do enough film work to justify two normals.
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I am a bit of a fan of the humble J3. If you can find a cheap one its worth getting it CLA'd by a reputable company such as FEDKA as this will involve the vital collimation which seems to be bit of gamble with theses lenses.
A good sharp one though has a nice quality too it . The 61LD has a reputation for sharpness but the strength of the J3 is not its sharpness but rather its Bokeh which can be pleasently creamy. I have a few 50mm lenses for the various cameras I have but none have the 'feel' of the J3.

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IF you can find one....
They don't seem to show up at auction very often, do they? Around the middle of last year there were four or five in a row, and I was outbid at the last second on every one. Seen very few since. I went to Kevin Li for one. I just checked his site and it looks like his stock of the chrome 50/1.5 lenses is really depleted (click Canon RF>lenses> and pages 12 and 18).
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I am a bit of a fan of the humble J3.
I must confess that I have a few of these but I've yet to see a single image from one, I suspect that I'm not alone and I have dozens of unused 50mm lens and do consider that some may be quite good.



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I borrowed one last Summer/Fall off a fellow RFF member and quite enjoyed my time with it.

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I must confess that I have a few of these but I've yet to see a single image from one, I suspect that I'm not alone and I have dozens of unused 50mm lens and do consider that some may be quite good.
Feel free to check a few shots I have posted here. This particular J-3 arrived from Ukraine good to go. I am partial to these earlier lenses from the Zagorsk factory. Others prefer the black lenses form the final production runs in the mid- to late 1980's. YPYMAYTYC.
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This particular J-3 arrived from Ukraine good to go. I am partial to these earlier lenses from the Zagorsk factory.
John, I know and appreciate what you're saying and I do intend using some of these lenses but it's the sameo, sameo story, just too many lens and not enough time / interest.

NB maybe three or more dozen FSU 50mm's - sad.
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They don't seem to show up at auction very often, do they? Around the middle of last year there were four or five in a row, and I was outbid at the last second on every one. Seen very few since. I went to Kevin Li for one. I just checked his site and it looks like his stock of the chrome 50/1.5 lenses is really depleted (click Canon RF>lenses> and pages 12 and 18).
Here is an apparently nice one coming up: 110343266887

Including what looks like a rare original 40mm filter.
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I must confess that I have a few of these but I've yet to see a single image from one, I suspect that I'm not alone and I have dozens of unused 50mm lens and do consider that some may be quite good.



uh...hows about selling a couple of them j-3's to those whom might get use outta them?
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I bought a J3 from another RFFr a while ago, and I can say it is a lovely lens.
There's a few examples over on my flickr.
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Here is an apparently nice one coming up: 110343266887

Including what looks like a rare original 40mm filter.
No kidding! As of this post the bid is under $150 with 19.5 hours to go. I've seen that filter alone sell for nearly half that much. Guesses on final high bid?
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No kidding! As of this post the bid is under $150 with 19.5 hours to go. I've seen that filter alone sell for nearly half that much. Guesses on final high bid?
Look at it now. They are getting more expensive. Not a sleeper anymore

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Look at it now. They are getting more expensive. Not a sleeper anymore

Roland.
Well, after all the Canon is the best-built of the fast screw-mount lenses . BTW - did you see what that LTM Tokyo Nikkor S.C went for? All the more reason to look for a nice J-3.
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Around US 250-300.

Roland.
Haven't seen one in this price range for a long time....

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No kidding! As of this post the bid is under $150 with 19.5 hours to go. I've seen that filter alone sell for nearly half that much. Guesses on final high bid?
That's actually not the original Canon filter. Still, it's an elusive 40mm...

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A Canon IVSB2 with 50/1.5 sold today on eBay for $406. I threw a bid on it for entertainment value. In any case the combo looked to be in good shape, and the body is one of the rarer permutations of the Canon IV series. Actually was more interested in the body than the lens. Maybe I should have bid higher
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uh...hows about selling a couple of them j-3's to those whom might get use outta them?
^ I agree. An un-molested example is a fine thing. Hits far above it's weight, IMHO.

People deserve to use these lenses. I'd hate to think of a handful hitting the trash one day because the guy at the local photo shop claims "they aren't worth much."
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Well, after all the Canon is the best-built of the fast screw-mount lenses . BTW - did you see what that LTM Tokyo Nikkor S.C went for? All the more reason to look for a nice J-3.
John, look at this one on the other hand: 110343264073

Was tempted yesterday ....

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A Canon IVSB2 with 50/1.5 sold today on eBay for $406. I threw a bid on it for entertainment value. In any case the combo looked to be in good shape, and the body is one of the rarer permutations of the Canon IV series. Actually was more interested in the body than the lens. Maybe I should have bid higher
seen that one on the bay.

it would have been worth it for 203 dollars apiece.
even if the camera was missing the rf trim ring
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Wahoo, I'm interested in a J3. Would have sent you a PM but your settings do not allow so. Therefore, this way. PM welcome, if you fancy.
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John, look at this one on the other hand: 110343264073

Was tempted yesterday ....

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Yes I saw that and can't believe that it went for that! The 85/2 is one of my favorites - I would have bid on that one as well, but I figured I already have one so why? D'oh!
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Wahoo, I'm interested in a J3. Would have sent you a PM but your settings do not allow so. Therefore, this way. PM welcome, if you fancy.
CLE-RF, I must have give the wrong impression because although I do have few J3's at the moment non are for sale, of course situations can change and under these circumstances I would of couse contact you, once again, thanks for your interest.

My sincere apologies if my earlier post was misleading.

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Dammit! That looks shweeeeet. I'm sure my bidding would have only raised the price sold at, though.... (he reasoned).

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Here is an apparently nice one coming up: 110343266887

Including what looks like a rare original 40mm filter.
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I just bought a J3 from our own David Murphy. Hoping it arrives today!!
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