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Old 01-29-2009   #1
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Photograph a cop, go to jail

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Taking photos of police officers could be considered a crime

The relationship between photographers and police could worsen
next month when new laws are introduced that allow for the arrest
and imprisonment of anyone who takes pictures of officers 'likely
to be useful to a person committing or preparing an act of
terrorism'.
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Old 01-29-2009   #2
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OMFG!!

I thought we had all the STUPID Politicians over on this side of the pond! Please note that I live in the land of Lincoln and Blagojevich, we've seen both extremes.

Being unemployed right now I would love to start a case about freedom of the press and the potential for abuses to be hidden from the public and the courts. Heck we have lots of examples over on this side of the pond. Several times in LA cops were caught on tape beating the crap out of some poor black guy. This would make my day having some fun with this.

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The blood it starts to boil...for countries that are constantly lecturing other people on democracy and free speech they seem awfully determined to blindfold and bound then hands of their own people. Hypocrites.... and I have taken lots of photos lots of photos of police or armed forces in China and never ever ever once have I been questioned or even given that look of impending trouble....my goodness what a time to be a terrorist...they really have won.
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What a joke. The world leaders are trying very hard to take away freedom, and their scapegoat for this decade seems to be terrorism.
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One thing is universal. Cops and Donuts.
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Absolutely ridiculous law!

The only place I've travelled to where the police wouldn't let me photograph them was Iran, and that was because they are not allowed to appear in photographs rather than the photographer not being allowed to photograph them.
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The loss of basic and fundamental freedom is astonishing in both its breadth & speed. Big brother is alive and watching...
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'Sounds like Nazi Germany. Maybe they just don't want pics of their beer bellies passed around.
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OMFG!!
Several times in LA cops were caught on tape beating the crap out of some poor black guy. This would make my day having some fun with this.

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For this very reason I can see this becoming law in our nation.
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The blood it starts to boil...for countries that are constantly lecturing other people on democracy and free speech they seem awfully determined to blindfold and bound then hands of their own people. Hypocrites.... and I have taken lots of photos lots of photos of police or armed forces in China and never ever ever once have I been questioned or even given that look of impending trouble....my goodness what a time to be a terrorist...they really have won.
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I'd be a lot more careful if I were you. There is less than ZERO civil rights in China--especially for foreigners. There is no rule of law there or respect for humanity.

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We need a "Photograph a Cop Day" to take place worldwide. Everybody and anybody, using everything from cell phone cameras to large format monsters. Take a photograph of every police officer seen and post them all on Flickr, Facebook, Photobucket, etc, etc. Don't stop taking photos as the police object and try to put a stop to it. Motor drives on SLRs and such - hammering away, a hundred photographers taking the same photo of the same cop, and all happening at the same time in a thousand places around the world.

Remembering that the police are not the enemy - they enforce the law as given. But they will not be happy, and the fallout will roll back up the chain - to the people who are doing this in the name of our mutual 'safety'.

It has to be done, but to be effective, it must be done out loud and en masse and worldwide.

And yes, some people will go to jail. Hope so, anyway.
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I'd be a lot more careful if I were you. There is less than ZERO civil rights in China--especially for foreigners. There is no rule of law there or respect for humanity.

Bill
Why? I didn't say anything against china, I actually said something for china! If you don't mind me asking, whats your line of logic in that comment to what I said?

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We need a "Photograph a Cop Day" to take place worldwide. Everybody and anybody, using everything from cell phone cameras to large format monsters. Take a photograph of every police officer seen and post them all on Flickr, Facebook, Photobucket, etc, etc. Don't stop taking photos as the police object and try to put a stop to it. Motor drives on SLRs and such - hammering away, a hundred photographers taking the same photo of the same cop, and all happening at the same time in a thousand places around the world.

Remembering that the police are not the enemy - they enforce the law as given. But they will not be happy, and the fallout will roll back up the chain - to the people who are doing this in the name of our mutual 'safety'.

It has to be done, but to be effective, it must be done out loud and en masse and worldwide.

And yes, some people will go to jail. Hope so, anyway.
you are 100% right. it is completely crazy to me how a country that will GO TO WAR to export a myth of "freedom" continues to step closer and closer to becoming a police state.
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Why? I didn't say anything against china, I actually said something for china! If you don't mind me asking, whats your line of logic in that comment to what I said?
I don't why YOU are offended. Did I say that you said anything bad about China? I'm trying to give you some friendly advice. What's your line of logic in that comment to what I said? Forget/drop it-you are a little (a lot) confused.
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I don't why YOU are offended. Did I say that you said anything bad about China? I'm trying to give you some friendly advice. What's your line of logic in that comment to what I said? Forget/drop it-you are a little (a lot) confused.

.....im not offended...what brought this about? Im afraid you misunderstand! No where in my post did I say anything about being offended, I was just trying to understand what you meant by telling me that mentioning a nice thing about China would be grounds to have human rights and what not thrown down. I believe there is a misunderstanding here...I simply mentioned that never in the 5 years that I have been photographing in China even when photographing police or armed forces have I ever had a problem of any kind and how I thought that it was amazing that I would never have that problem here but in the euro/states who are always bashing China about rights and stuff that they would be so willing to remove said rights without "democratic" process.

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Avotius, your point is heard and registered. I'm not sure why people who live in the US or Australia or the UK are permitted to respond with disbelief and indignation, yet those in China are not

I was pulled over the Sunday after Thanksgiving while visting my parents in a small town in Minnesota, US. Apparently the day before someone at a bank called 911 on me for "possibly taking a picture of the bank." I didn't even have a camera. It wasn't pleasant, and the officer was unable to explain why it was even happening. I received no ticket, and yet after filing a complaint which was investigated by the deputy chief and mayor, was treated like it was my fault from the start. I didn't get arrested, but I grew up in a country where the police didn't harass people for no legal reason.

I took a number of actual pictures of banks in Portugal and Morocco the month before with no trouble at all. Ironic, I think, living in the "home of the free."

Have the terrorist won? Over my dead body.

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I think society needs to remember that the police are here to serve the public and should not be perceived as being the enforcement arm of the political system's laws which is what they seem to be turning into in most countries.

It's a joke ... in reality there is no more crime on this planet than there ever was ... in fact statistically there's less. Yet they keep being given more and more power over us!
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I think society needs to remember that the police are here to serve the public and should not be perceived as being the enforcement arm of the political system's laws which is what they seem to be turning into in most countries.

An astute observation - if the political system didn't keep trying to do so much its enforcement arm would revert to its focus on traditional crime.
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This is 'normal' in some places.

In Portugal I cannot photograph a police officer.

On the television news their faces are blurred.

It's not just photos: even the trading standards officers looking for counterfeit CD's and the like go into markets dressed like delta force.

I do make photos of soldiers in uniform, although I wait until they are too drunk to care...
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Cops... Yup, here to serve the people:

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Another dignified picture of Our Boys in Blue, this time by W. Eugene Smith - Peace Demonstration in Central Park, NYC, 1969.
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Who was it who photographed the miners' strike in Britain and the police officer on a horse attacking a striker?
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John Harris, I think it was the only one he ever took

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I fully understand that in the UK and US such a law is necessary. The amount of democracy and freedom in those two countries is so high it needs extra protection to preserve them. My country is probably 1.75% less democratic and offers 1.82% less freedom so we don't need this.
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This law is very positive for some racist police officers beating up a coloured person. If someone takes evidence photos of this he could be arrested and the film material confiscated.
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I'd be a lot more careful if I were you. There is less than ZERO civil rights in China--especially for foreigners. There is no rule of law there or respect for humanity.

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Where does this China bashing come from I wonder? Makes me sick. I lived in China for 4 years, and let me tell you there was more freedoms in China than in any Western country. Yes, perhaps if I stood on a street corner preaching against the authorities day in and day out I might get in trouble.
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Before we get too over-excited, a version of this law has been in operation for several years in the UK, and for much longer in Northern Ireland, IIRC, and is aimed at people doing reconnaissance for terrorist attacks. It doesn't make it an offence to take photographs of policemen, soldiers or spies, it makes it an offence to collect information about them 'likely' to be of use to terrorists. Like most common law jurisdictions, it will ultimately be up to the courts to interpret what that means and I suspect most judges would take a dim view of the police arresting people simply for taking innocent photographs of policemen.
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The loss of basic and fundamental freedom is astonishing in both its breadth & speed. Big brother is alive and watching...
It`s not only the police either. The UK has become so paranoid that suspicion of photographers extends to other official bodies. I was recently taking pictures at a local historic building run by the National Trust. Trying to "do a " Roger Hicks by photographing some interesting Tudor door locks in a studded door ! I was challenged by the head Gardener. I explained what I was doing but as I left caught him taking pictures of both myself and my car registration.
I was so angry that I turned the car around but ,by that time , he had gone.
Found the caretaker who claimed it a coincidence and suggested that the gardener was only taking pictures of the trees .
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The bunch on the right look like they're snorting lines of coke to me!
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At the risk of being slammed for eternity by some on this forum, the reason we have such stupid laws and stupid things happening has nothing to do with politics and everything to do with Sept 11. At least here in America memories are short.
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The bunch on the right look like they're snorting lines of coke to me!
I did notice that but didn't want to mention it It's little wonder that they don't want to be photographed ?

Keith, if you notice the officer seventh from the left (almost facing the camera) he looks like one of your pals in his part time job - Ian Botham, he lives a few miles down the road in Richmond, N.Yorks.
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