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M240 with 7Artisans 50mm 1.1

My M9 is at Leica USA (NJ) for sensor replacement, so I got a loaner M 240 camera. Then, I got on same day the 7Artisans 50/1.1 from China. It was pouring rain on that same day, but I took out this camera and lens set to Joe Patti's Seafood in Pensacola to try out the lens (and camera).

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It was challenging to correctly focus the lens wide open, but I gave it a try.













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The lens is heavy and so is the M 240. After one hour of using them both, one of my fingers started to hurt me. It may be the way that I was holding the camera as there is no camera strap. I know that I can focus better on Dana's eyes, so it may have been my focusing or the M240 or the lens or all.

The larger battery in the M240 allowed me quick back-to-back photos without any buffer time.
I have yet no clue how to set the M240 to get DNG files. Here, I got jpg files somehow. I have the camera set to NO for DNG compression. I will look it up.
edited: I tried out SET and it was there! I set it now to DNG+jpg fine.

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Thanks for posting your experience Raid. Definitely seems tough to focus it right wide open
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I used this lens on the M8. It was three quick snapshot, and all turned out sharp, compared to using the the M240 and this lens.
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Looks good Raid.
During my brief time with the lens I found it tricky to focus wide open
I was using PF on an A7s
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I had also a camera that is new to me.
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Not easy .... I'd be happy with those .
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So how did you rate a loaner M240? Did that come from Leica, or your local dealer? Wish I had one to try out. Of course, I have not yet been told if I'm getting a new sensor. That might have something to do with it.
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Rob: I was very lucky to get a loaner Leica. It seems to be not an everyday event that this happens.
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Not easy .... I'd be happy with those .
I am, Michael. I am appreciating the M8 more than I had before.
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Interesting .... the lens is never going to be very sharp,I suspect.
It is a Sonnar design or at least that is what I`ve understood it to be .
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Using the lens at 2.0-4.0 will result in sharp images, and therefore this is still a great bargain. The lens can be sharp at 1.1, I think. It may not happen every shot wide open (for me). The M240 is too big or too heavy for me for wide open shots. The M8 feels better somehow. The M9 is like the M8.
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Leica M240: 50/1.1









I will not give up on the M240. It is a great camera.
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I would not confuse out of focus pictures with lack of lens sharpness.
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Of course. The lens has been evaluated by others to be a sharp lens. It is difficult for me to get the lens to focus correctly with the M240 when using ISO 200 indoors. There is a possibility that my lens and my M240 need to be adjusted for each other. The lens on the M240 may back-focus, Brian has told me.
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It is next to impossible to have person picture at close distance and f1.1. You both breath and it is enough to get it OOF.
I took it at f1.2 then I have f1.2 lens, but with AF and constant AF tracking.
Still, not breathing subject and you have it in focus while you hold your breath.
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It is next to impossible to have person picture at close distance and f1.1. You both breath and it is enough to get it OOF.
I took it at f1.2 then I have f1.2 lens, but with AF and constant AF tracking.
Still, not breathing subject and you have it in focus while you hold your breath.
Nice comment
I have the option to focus on eyelashes or side of nose or cheeks or ....
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Thank you, Raid.

Forgot, to mention, bokeh is strange once it is getting busy in the background and subject in focus is close, IMO.
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Thank you, Raid.

Forgot, to mention, bokeh is strange once it is getting busy in the background and subject in focus is close, IMO.
The optical design is very similar to that of the vintage Zunow 50 1.1. The bokeh can look crazy. I like it. I bought this lens to something different from I have. I want "crazy".
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With regards to focusing and possible misalignment why not see if you can borrow an EVF. This will enable easier wide open focusing and determine whether focus issues are relevant.
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I have an EVF. I can use it with the M240.
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Use it. Set the focus peeking and 5x magnification and away you go.
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I have the Olympus EV2.it may not have such features.
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I have the Olympus EV2.it may not have such features.
It does, I use it too on my M240. I actually use it at the 10X setting and it works very well. You can then compare how focussing through the EVF matches up to the RF, then you can adjust for any differences when using only the RF.
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I will try this out tomorrow. Do I get the 10x in LiveView?
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Yes. FYI the rear upper scroll wheel is what adjusts the magnification, giving either 1x, 5x or 10x whilst looking through the EVF, or liveview. As you then focus, the peaking and magnification become viewable.
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Thank you for the tip. I will try it out. I will try to learn more about the settings on the M240. I will use the RF and also the EVF to try to nail the critical focusing for the 50/1.1.
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yes the M240 has magnification available in both LCD or EVF2 live view mode.
however only on the center of the frame.

really great if you consider that now you can use older SLR lenses on your M240 if you choose so.
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Yes, but I would need more adapters to be able to use my old SLR lenses. I may keep the M240 only for 20 weeks (or?) until I get back my M9.
I reviewed this morning the settings in the camera, and I followed what I saw posted online on suggested settings. I used the Olympus EVF-2 and I tried out focus peaking and focus assist at 10X. It seems to help.
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Of course. The lens has been evaluated by others to be a sharp lens. It is difficult for me to get the lens to focus correctly with the M240 when using ISO 200 indoors. There is a possibility that my lens and my M240 need to be adjusted for each other. The lens on the M240 may back-focus, Brian has told me.
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Many of your images look great.... like you have focus hit ...no problem.
The M240 is much more capable of higher iso compared to the m8/9 you are used to using.
Crank it up indoors and get some higher shutter speeds.
The live view is also capable. You might try cartying a tabletop tripod in a pocket.
This would allow you to compare the rf focus against the Live view in the LCD or evf while at wide open.

With such shallow DOF it's crucial to be still.

Thanks for posting the set. I want to visit Florida.... always looks nice!
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You are doing fine with the focus, Raid, don't worry about EVF (its a pita imho).

Your lens also shows Italian Flag, like mine (moon shot and pier),

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Remind me of "Italian Flag" meaning, please. Thanks, Roland.

edited: "Extreme corners: it shows Italian flag and smears / never gets really sharp in the extreme corners"

Now I know what you meant by it. Smearing in the corners. Maybe it is a good portrait lens at 2.8 or so, and then open up the aperture when needed.
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Many of your images look great.... like you have focus hit ...no problem.
The M240 is much more capable of higher iso compared to the m8/9 you are used to using.
Crank it up indoors and get some higher shutter speeds.
The live view is also capable. You might try cartying a tabletop tripod in a pocket.
This would allow you to compare the rf focus against the Live view in the LCD or evf while at wide open.

With such shallow DOF it's crucial to be still.

Thanks for posting the set. I want to visit Florida.... always looks nice!
Thank you, Andy! I will dare and will crank up ISO setting
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I have used my copy of the 7artisans on my M8 and my Sony A7II and must admit I just love this lens!

Yes, on a fullframe cam the corners never get really sharp.
No, that is no problem for me since if I want edge-to-edge sharpness, I can use my Summicron 50 and if I shoot wide open at f/1.1, I do not need edge sharpness at all.
And yes, the lens is very sharp in the centre when focussed correctly.

Yes, the bokeh is unique with this lens. Wide open it produces patterns of radial rays I have never seen in any other lens. But stop it down slightly and the bokeh becomes creamy and velvety.

Yes, the built quality of the lens is pretty impressive.

All in all, the lens offers fantastic value. What you get for this price is more than surprisingly good!
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I agree with Kent's assessment.
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I get well focused images consistently with fast lenses and my old M 4/3 cameras (E-P2 and E-PL1). These cameras have also a 10X focus aid and IS. The M240 seems to lack an IS system. I am used to use the lowest ISO settings and slow speeds with the E-P2 and E-PL1. It is frustrating for me to get less often images that are correctly focused when I use the 50/.1.1 and the M240. Who don't Leica cameras have built-in IS, or do they?
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Here are three new images:







I may be improving in using the M240.
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I get well focused images consistently with fast lenses and my old M 4/3 cameras (E-P2 and E-PL1). These cameras have also a 10X focus aid and IS. The M240 seems to lack an IS system. I am used to use the lowest ISO settings and slow speeds with the E-P2 and E-PL1. It is frustrating for me to get less often images that are correctly focused when I use the 50/.1.1 and the M240. Who don't Leica cameras have built-in IS, or do they?
I believe the Q has IBIS, but no M, S, or SL do. However the SL lenses have IS capability... I agree it is a valuable feature, especially as we get older and shakier!
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I believe the Q has IBIS, but no M, S, or SL do. However the SL lenses have IS capability... I agree it is a valuable feature, especially as we get older and shakier!
Not just for "old shaky people" Doug. IS allows photographers the luxury of using low ISO at slow speeds for optimal quality.
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I think that having used Live View and then looking at the Rf window before taking a photo caused me to change the focus points, resulting in soft images. Instead, I now compose first with the RF, focus with the RF, then fine focus with LiveView and take the photo. The images look better in focus than before.
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