The best Leica Barnack?
Old 03-05-2016   #1
mkvrnn
Registered User
 
mkvrnn is offline
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Warwickshire, UK
Posts: 169
The best Leica Barnack?

I like the Barnack Leicas, by which I mean anything pre-M series.
I like them for their styling and their simplicity, and I've accumulated a small collection of them including various II and III models.

But with the clear exception of my iiig, I've always considered them to be impossible to actually use because of their ridiculously small viewfinder and rangefinder windows. The effort of loading the film though the bottom plate just doesn't justify the user experience which for me is ruined by the lack of a decent viewfinder.

But my latest acquisition has made me reconsider, and perhaps the iiig isn't the only one I would actually want to use. A lovely If model came up at a reasonable price and I bought it. A camera without a built-in viewfinder had always seemed like a stupid idea, but the If is a really lovely and very useable camera, thanks to its shoe-mounted finder. The viewfinder image is big and clear, and has nice framelines, making it far easier to use than anything up to the IIIf. The case has enough room to close with the viewfinder on position, which means that it can be left permanently in place. And there's even room inside the top of the case to store the rangefinder. Admittedly the shoe-mounted rangefinder is as squinty as any other early Leica finder, but I'm happy do dispense with it and estimate the focussing distance. After all, I managed easily enough before I could afford reflex and rangefinder cameras, and rarely had an out of focus shot.

So maybe the best of the Barnacks is the simple I series.......
Attached Images
File Type: jpg DSC_0763-001.jpg (23.9 KB, 54 views)
File Type: jpg DSC_0765.jpg (24.1 KB, 38 views)
File Type: jpg DSC_0766.jpg (21.7 KB, 31 views)
  Reply With Quote

Old 03-05-2016   #2
FrankS
Registered User
 
FrankS's Avatar
 
FrankS is offline
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Canada, eh.
Age: 60
Posts: 19,423
The best camera is the one you have with you, with fresh film and/or battery, whichever applies.
__________________
my little website: http://frankfoto.jimdo.com/

photography makes me happy
  Reply With Quote

Old 03-05-2016   #3
presspass
filmshooter
 
presspass is offline
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Lancaster County, Pennsylvania
Posts: 951
After more than 30 years without a Barnack, I found a IIIa with 50 Summar in nice condition. Clearly it couldn't survive alone, so I got another one, a 35 Elmar and a 90 Elmar. Pain to load? You bet. Nice to shoot? Very much so. The rangefinder takes getting used to, but the diopter makes it more than useable if it's clean. The finder will work with a 50, but I would rather use a shoe-mount finder - right now its a Voightlander. Same for the 35, and the 90 is handled by a Tewe, all of which I had before I came back to the one true Leica. The elegance of the design is great and the camera requires considerable shooter involvement. BTW, a lot of the time, 50 and shorter lenses can be pre-focused, obviating the need for the rangefinder. A I series takes that simplicity for granted, but I wouldn't want to shoot one with a 90 or 135.
  Reply With Quote

Old 03-05-2016   #4
Bingley
Registered User
 
Bingley's Avatar
 
Bingley is offline
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Sacramento, California
Posts: 5,316
I happily shoot with my IIIc. Yes, it takes a little longer to load, but I'm used to that now. I always use an auxiliary vf so the small camera vf doesn't bother me. It's a mechanical jewel while being very robust. It fits easily into a coat pocket. I think it's a great shooter in use if you can live with its quirks.
__________________
Steve

M2, R2A, IIIc, IVSB2, & T, and assorted LTM & M lenses
Minolta XD11, Pentax ME Super, and assorted MD Rokkor and Takumar lenses, Rolleicord III, Rolleicord Vb, Rolleiflex Automat MX-EVS




My Flickr
My Gallery
  Reply With Quote

Old 03-05-2016   #5
David Hughes
Registered User
 
David Hughes's Avatar
 
David Hughes is offline
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 6,062
Question: 'The best Leica Barnack?'

Answer: 'But with the clear exception of my iiig, I've always considered them to be impossible to actually use... '

Regards, David
  Reply With Quote

Old 03-05-2016   #6
Bill Clark
Registered User
 
Bill Clark's Avatar
 
Bill Clark is offline
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Minnetonka, Minnesota
Age: 69
Posts: 1,999
For loading, I cut more leader than needed, never less of film for loading. That could be trouble!

I have two sproket holes (four if you count both sides) out from the film cannister.

Clip the film on to the film take up reel. Then I start the canister on the left side chamber, then the take up reel on the right. If I cut too much, I just wind it on to the take up reel, then proceed to slide the film cannister and take up reel into their respective chambers.

Have the rewind advance lever on advance. Then move the wind knob a little, tighten film that's in the cannister.

Put the bottom plate back on. Advance the film, is it turning the rewind knob? Fire off a couple of frames. Ready set!

Works for me, just trying to help you!

I like all Barnacks! I've only needed to have one rebuilt by Youxin!
__________________
I use my real name. How about you?
  Reply With Quote

Old 03-05-2016   #7
nikonosguy
Registered User
 
nikonosguy is offline
Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 949
Black

I love my iid
  Reply With Quote

Old 03-05-2016   #8
Robert Lai
Registered User
 
Robert Lai is offline
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 1,406
Of the Leicas, the IIIG is THE most usable. This includes flash use.
The Canon 7s is decent, but for screw mount cameras, the Bessa R is my favorite.
  Reply With Quote

Old 03-05-2016   #9
Erik van Straten
Registered User
 
Erik van Straten's Avatar
 
Erik van Straten is offline
Join Date: May 2008
Posts: 6,065
As long as they're technically good and have a SBOOI in their accessory-shoe all the barnacks are OK.

Erik.
  Reply With Quote

Old 03-05-2016   #10
oltimer
Registered User
 
oltimer is offline
Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: Ontario, Canada
Age: 75
Posts: 384
Quote:
Originally Posted by Erik van Straten View Post
As long as they're technically good and have a SBOOI in their accessory-shoe all the barnacks are OK.

Erik.
I agree about the use of the accessory shoe, but my favorite lens uses the SBLOO, on a IIIG.
  Reply With Quote

Old 03-06-2016   #11
Rico
Registered User
 
Rico's Avatar
 
Rico is offline
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Chicago, IL, USA
Posts: 936
An external VF changes everything (even for an M). I have SBOOI and longer Leitz versions, but decided that SBLOO was too big and rectangular. The modern Zeiss offerings are even chunkier, so I picked the V/C finders for 28mm & 35mm and am very pleased with them—perfect proportions for any Barnack. As for sheer beauty, I feel the IIIb is the pinnacle of all Leica cameras, ever. For just getting the job done, there's always the M4 or Nikon D3X.
__________________

Rico Tudor. Leica M4, IIIb, 28, 35, 50, 90, 135, 280. Contax T, RTS; Canon; Nikon; Sony; Profoto
  Reply With Quote

Old 03-06-2016   #12
Jerevan
Recycled User
 
Jerevan's Avatar
 
Jerevan is offline
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Sweden
Posts: 1,011
The only one that I do not like for practical reasons is the II model since it does not have any diopter correction.

My own perfect "dream Leica" would be a model II shell with a IIIb top - that is, closer RF/VF configuration, no slow speeds and no lugs.
  Reply With Quote

Old 03-06-2016   #13
ray*j*gun
Registered User
 
ray*j*gun's Avatar
 
ray*j*gun is offline
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Philadelphia area
Posts: 2,317
I have tried to love scale focus and have failed!! In fact the last of my scale focus cameras, is an Agfa on sale rite now in the classifieds. My favorite Barnack (which is also my fav film camera) is my IIIFRDST. I admit that part of the appeal is the amazing machinery of this Barnack . I have others but I love the F to death.
__________________
Raymond
  Reply With Quote

Old 03-06-2016   #14
Red Robin
It Is What It Is
 
Red Robin is offline
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Wrinkle City, Fla.
Age: 67
Posts: 727
I have a small collection of bottom-loaders that hail from the '50's. two canons ,now shef queens. a ii-frd waits for a cla. A leica iii f rd currently gets most of my attention. Strangely my Bessa-R is great in the viewfinder department. my Canons all have a place, but it's the leica iiif is the bag I enevenivally reach for . .. go figure.
  Reply With Quote

Old 03-06-2016   #15
02Pilot
Malcontent
 
02Pilot is offline
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: NY, USA
Posts: 1,139
I have two IIIcs and a IIIg; the cs both wear external finders (the normal rigs are W.Acall 35/3.5 and Komura brightline finder, and Summitar and Voigtländer 1:1 brightline finder), while the g only gets one if I'm using it with a wider lens. The integral VF on the IIIg makes it more flexible and marginally more portable with a 50, but the external finders are quicker to use for street photography.
__________________
-------------------------------------------------------
Any man who can see what he wants to get on film will usually find some way to get it;
and a man who thinks his equipment is going to see for him is not going to get much of anything.

-Hunter S. Thompson
-
http://filmosaur.wordpress.com/
  Reply With Quote

Old 03-06-2016   #16
Larry Cloetta
Registered User
 
Larry Cloetta is offline
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Jackson, WY
Age: 67
Posts: 603
Sometimes, I don't listen to the advice of others. Usually that's a problem. However, I will forever be grateful that I disregarded the received wisdom that Barnacks were hard to load and that the viewfinders were problematic. Maybe I'm just "squinty" myself. Fortunate to have two iiigs and one iiib. If anything, I find the iiib easier to focus than the iiig, due to the rf magnification, though neither one is difficult to use. I can focus either one faster than my Hasselblad 500CM, and nobody complains about the Hasselblad.
As far as loading the film, it's one of the easiest things I get to do on any given day. I wish the rest of my life was that easy. Yes, it is easier to load film into many other cameras, but you're just comparing an easy thing to an even easier thing. If you are shooting less than thirty rolls a day, I can't see how the loading issue would be a real problem. I know I am sanding against the grain here. Maybe the ease of use and joys of a Barnacks are all in my head, and I should accept the idea that they are somehow difficult to use, but I just don't get that. To me, they are happy little tools, and I would not change anything. (That door on the back of the M3, that's known as a kludge

I post this mainly for people who have never owned a Barnacks, so, if they are considering one, they won't be put off by all the chatter. For me, the only disadvantage lies not in the body but in lens selection, and that's a matter of taste. You might find, as I did, that a Barnacks is a perfect fit. I'm easy, that's a possibility.
  Reply With Quote

Old 03-06-2016   #17
Jerevan
Recycled User
 
Jerevan's Avatar
 
Jerevan is offline
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Sweden
Posts: 1,011
Quote:
Originally Posted by Larry Cloetta View Post
Sometimes, I don't listen to the advice of others. Usually that's a problem. However, I will forever be grateful that I disregarded the received wisdom that Barnacks were hard to load and that the viewfinders were problematic.
I have to say I agree. I find them easy to load - I read up on how to do it and stick to doing it by the book (I've done a few rolls without cutting them, and it worked fine too in a pinch). Love the RF/VF experience and that you have to "wait for the moment". But I suppose I am a bit crazy.
  Reply With Quote

Old 03-06-2016   #18
HuubL
hunter-gatherer
 
HuubL's Avatar
 
HuubL is offline
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Netherlands
Age: 65
Posts: 2,404
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rico View Post
An external VF changes everything (even for an M). I have SBOOI and longer Leitz versions, but decided that SBLOO was too big and rectangular. The modern Zeiss offerings are even chunkier, so I picked the V/C finders for 28mm & 35mm and am very pleased with them—perfect proportions for any Barnack. As for sheer beauty, I feel the IIIb is the pinnacle of all Leica cameras, ever. For just getting the job done, there's always the M4 or Nikon D3X.
Ditto for love of the IIIb, although the pinnacle...��
My IIIb was CLA'd about 15 years ago by Leica themselves and it's the smoothest of all the Leicas I have, and that's a total of 25 and includes the second best, the M7.
And I love the small 28/35 Voigtlander viewfinder also. Pity they're so hard to find nowadays and their cost ��
__________________
Grain, not Noise!
My cameras
  Reply With Quote

Old 03-06-2016   #19
oltimer
Registered User
 
oltimer is offline
Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: Ontario, Canada
Age: 75
Posts: 384
The SBLOO sits close to 1/8 of an inch higher on my IIIG, than the very beautiful Voightlander 35 viewfinder I have on my IIIC. I agree about the pricing; but quality costs, and what happens when they no longer make them?
  Reply With Quote

Old 03-06-2016   #20
ray*j*gun
Registered User
 
ray*j*gun's Avatar
 
ray*j*gun is offline
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Philadelphia area
Posts: 2,317
Quote:
Originally Posted by Larry Cloetta View Post
Sometimes, I don't listen to the advice of others. Usually that's a problem. However, I will forever be grateful that I disregarded the received wisdom that Barnacks were hard to load and that the viewfinders were problematic. Maybe I'm just "squinty" myself. Fortunate to have two iiigs and one iiib. If anything, I find the iiib easier to focus than the iiig, due to the rf magnification, though neither one is difficult to use. I can focus either one faster than my Hasselblad 500CM, and nobody complains about the Hasselblad.
As far as loading the film, it's one of the easiest things I get to do on any given day. I wish the rest of my life was that easy. Yes, it is easier to load film into many other cameras, but you're just comparing an easy thing to an even easier thing. If you are shooting less than thirty rolls a day, I can't see how the loading issue would be a real problem. I know I am sanding against the grain here. Maybe the ease of use and joys of a Barnacks are all in my head, and I should accept the idea that they are somehow difficult to use, but I just don't get that. To me, they are happy little tools, and I would not change anything. (That door on the back of the M3, that's known as a kludge

I post this mainly for people who have never owned a Barnacks, so, if they are considering one, they won't be put off by all the chatter. For me, the only disadvantage lies not in the body but in lens selection, and that's a matter of taste. You might find, as I did, that a Barnacks is a perfect fit. I'm easy, that's a possibility.
Wow plus one on this.... I was also advised against Barnacks and have now owned and operated them for many years happily!
__________________
Raymond
  Reply With Quote

Old 03-06-2016   #21
David Hughes
Registered User
 
David Hughes's Avatar
 
David Hughes is offline
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 6,062
Yeah, they are fun, fun, fun and you get to meet and talk to a lot of people when using them. Sometimes they even offer you their old film cameras...

Regards, David
  Reply With Quote

Old 03-06-2016   #22
Richard G
Registered User
 
Richard G's Avatar
 
Richard G is offline
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: 37,47 S
Posts: 4,545
Ii + Sbooi

In capitals.
__________________
Richard
  Reply With Quote

Old 03-06-2016   #23
JohnTF
Registered User
 
JohnTF's Avatar
 
JohnTF is offline
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Home is Cleveland, Summers often Europe, Winters often Mexico.
Posts: 2,058
I enjoy my Standard, the plain clear viewfinder-- and any other finders I can fit from my collection of Cosina, Leica, and Nikon cameras.

I started with zone focus, and am pretty good with it. At my young age, I was happy to find a camera that took 135 film, and could be adjusted for exposure and focus. I have a good supply of LTM lenses that simply fit down to the 12mm.

I recall that my black Standard was really my first, came with the RF, but after I bought it from Pavel in Brno- I passed through Paris on the way home-- you do attract attention, -- negatives were fine.

My avatar also works fine, another Czech find, Skoda?, but unless you are looking for the signature of that lens-- you may wish for any of the line with the Standard LTM.
__________________
To capture some of this -- I suppose that's lyricism.

Josef Sudek
  Reply With Quote

Old 03-06-2016   #24
Dralowid
Michael
 
Dralowid's Avatar
 
Dralowid is offline
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: United Kingdom
Posts: 2,277
Black II conversion with rangefinder from a III
  Reply With Quote

Old 1 Week Ago   #25
Richard G
Registered User
 
Richard G's Avatar
 
Richard G is offline
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: 37,47 S
Posts: 4,545
Mint IIIf. Very compact. The collapsible Elmar is key. And for this one I don't use the SBOOI so it goes more easily into the pocket. It is like a Swiss watch.
__________________
Richard
  Reply With Quote

Old 1 Week Ago   #26
ChrisLivsey
Registered User
 
ChrisLivsey's Avatar
 
ChrisLivsey is offline
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 2,012


My IIIc/f, which will never go anywhere, it was a gear swop with TomA so has immense sentimental value but is a perfect size to carry around. That Skopar is a perfect fit so much so I have another on my IIIg.
__________________
Fishing for shadows in a pool.
Louis Macneice

https://www.instagram.com/chris.livsey/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/red_eyes_man/
  Reply With Quote

Old 1 Week Ago   #27
jsrockit
Moderator
 
jsrockit's Avatar
 
jsrockit is offline
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Santiago, Chile
Age: 44
Posts: 18,485
Quote:
Originally Posted by David Hughes View Post
Question: 'The best Leica Barnack?'

Answer: 'But with the clear exception of my iiig, I've always considered them to be impossible to actually use... '

Regards, David
Haha, agreed, but they are gems.
  Reply With Quote

Old 1 Week Ago   #28
Larry Cloetta
Registered User
 
Larry Cloetta is offline
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Jackson, WY
Age: 67
Posts: 603
"impossible to actually use"

Sometimes, as in this case, hyperbole descends into absolute nonsense.
  Reply With Quote

Old 1 Week Ago   #29
Rob-F
Not a Leica Collector
 
Rob-F's Avatar
 
Rob-F is offline
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: The Show Me state
Posts: 5,063
Quote:
Originally Posted by ChrisLivsey View Post


My IIIc/f, which will never go anywhere, it was a gear swop with TomA so has immense sentimental value but is a perfect size to carry around. That Skopar is a perfect fit so much so I have another on my IIIg.
Nice one, Chris. Looks like it just left the factory.

I have a Leica II and 3 of the IIIc. I have been fascinated by the IIIc and its wartime history for some time. It's my favorite of the Barnacks. I use the 21mm, 25mm, 28mm, 35mm, and 75mm Voigtlander lenses on the IIIc, each with its own CV accessory finder. And I use the Collapsible Summicron with that same 50mm Leitz finder as in Chris' photo.

Once in a while I do get an urge for a IIIg; and once in a while, for a I or a Standard. I have resisted so far . . .
__________________
May the light be with you.
  Reply With Quote

Old 1 Week Ago   #30
MaxElmar
Registered User
 
MaxElmar's Avatar
 
MaxElmar is offline
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Central New Jersey
Posts: 519
They're all pretty much the same animal, if you ask me (except for the very oldest and very latest examples). I wear glasses and use external finders. As for "impossible to actually use" well, it's a poor craftsman that blames his tools. I wouldn't recommend it, but when I sold my first photo to a local newspaper in 1979 or so, it was a high school basketball shot with a Leica IIIa and a hazy Summar - pushed Tri-X. Go figure.
__________________
Chris L.

Still Photographically Uncool
  Reply With Quote

Old 1 Week Ago   #31
jsrockit
Moderator
 
jsrockit's Avatar
 
jsrockit is offline
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Santiago, Chile
Age: 44
Posts: 18,485
Quote:
Originally Posted by Larry Cloetta View Post
"impossible to actually use"

Sometimes, as in this case, hyperbole descends into absolute nonsense.
or people take hyperbole way too seriously.
  Reply With Quote

Old 1 Week Ago   #32
ChrisLivsey
Registered User
 
ChrisLivsey's Avatar
 
ChrisLivsey is offline
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 2,012
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob-F View Post
Nice one, Chris. Looks like it just left the factory.
Yes I think it was too perfect for Tom he liked a used camera to look like a used camera.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob-F View Post
Once in a while I do get an urge for a IIIg; and once in a while, for a I or a Standard. I have resisted so far . . .
I satisfied my IIIg urge, they are much less expensive these days than they were even a couple of years ago. I must admit I am a little disappointed I was perhaps over expecting the legend. Nothing wrong but that size difference does matter, for me and for the price difference I don't find it exceeds what the IIIc can do, like you I now hanker for a I, the standard is a bit pricey for a workable example.
__________________
Fishing for shadows in a pool.
Louis Macneice

https://www.instagram.com/chris.livsey/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/red_eyes_man/
  Reply With Quote

Old 1 Week Ago   #33
FUJINON
Leica IIIb user
 
FUJINON's Avatar
 
FUJINON is offline
Join Date: May 2009
Location: "Sceptred Isle"
Posts: 18
I have used most of the Barnack cameras over the years 1956 to present time and find that my choice would be the Leica IIIb.It's a great camera to use.
__________________
Regards,
Fujinon


  Reply With Quote

Old 1 Week Ago   #34
lxmike
Cat, coffee, camera:Check
 
lxmike's Avatar
 
lxmike is offline
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Co Durham NE England
Age: 52
Posts: 2,679
I enjoy using Barnacks, IIIg is a gem, as is my IIIc
__________________
Currently loaded: Leica IIIg, IIIc 'stepper', Voigtlander Bessa R, Rollei35, Minox 35ML.
Current digital: Fuji X100, XE-1, X Pro-1.
Current favorite glass: CV Nokton 50mm 1.5, Fuji x 35mm 1.4, Nikkor 50/2.
Current analog SLR: Nikon F Ftn, Pentax MX, Minolta XE-1.



myblog:lifefromawindow

myRFFgallery:
  Reply With Quote

Old 1 Week Ago   #35
Pioneer
Registered User
 
Pioneer's Avatar
 
Pioneer is offline
Join Date: Dec 2011
Age: 63
Posts: 2,801
I own several of Barnack's wonderful little tools but I can't tell which is best. They are all terrific.

Of course I do have some favorites, everybody does. Even that can change as time progresses though.

At this point my overhauled III definitely receives the most attention. It is one smooth little operator and I actually don't miss the 1/1000 second shutter speed, though I had thought I might.

The other Leica that I use a lot is my "new" Leica Null, a reproduction of the first series of 100 cameras that Leica produced to originally test the market prospects of Oskar Barnack's engineering masterpiece. Mine looks exactly like the Leica Null Series No 122 shown on the LHSA org website.

I think that this is about as basic as 35mm film photography gets outside of using a pinhole. The shutter doesn't even cap so you have to cover the lens every time you wind on the film. There is no rangefinder nor is there any facility for exchanging lenses. Even the shutter knob, which adjusts from 1/20 seconds through 1/500 seconds, works entirely different from anything else I own. But the lens, a modern recreation of the original anastigmat using modern glass, is worth the price of entry for the entire camera. It is great fun and, for me, very addicting.

In fact, it is so addicting that I think I have shot more 35mm film on this camera since I have owned it than any of the other Barnacks I own. For me it shows that Mr. Barnack pretty much had it right from the very beginning. The only additions that followed that I actually find useful are the capping shutter, the interchangeable lens mount, the rangefinder, and the low range shutter speeds. Of course, that describes the Leica III so I guess that explains why I enjoy using that camera as much as I do.

I don't find the viewfinders squinty, in fact they seem to work perfectly for me. The rangefinder, because of the magnification, is easier for me to focus then the M version. Finally, after a lot of practice loading the camera, it is now pretty much second nature. I have even loaded it in the dark.

I really believe that Barnack got it right the first time. Most of the "improvements" that came along with time didn't really make the camera better, they just made the camera a bit more convenient to use.
__________________
You gotta love a fast lens;

It is almost as good as a fast horse!
Dan
  Reply With Quote

Old 1 Week Ago   #36
Larry Cloetta
Registered User
 
Larry Cloetta is offline
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Jackson, WY
Age: 67
Posts: 603
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pioneer View Post
The rangefinder, because of the magnification, is easier for me to focus then the M version.
Exactly. 1.5x magnification in the rangefinder image, from the iiia onwards, is a significant help at nailing accurate focus as opposed to the combined rf/vf of the M series. Which was one reason why the iiif was still being produced two years after the introduction of the M3, and a new model, the iiig, was introduced 3 years after the M3 was introduced. Some people just preferred them.

I like using my iiib with a 50 because, when trying to focus, I can better see what I am doing than I can with my M! Squinty my arse.

But, to zealous True Believers on their knees at The Church of What's
Happening Now, none of this will ever make any sense.
  Reply With Quote

Old 1 Week Ago   #37
pschauss
Registered User
 
pschauss is offline
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 562
I have a IIIa and a IIIf (60th birthday present from my daughter and son-in-law) and love them both. After ten years of use on both, I sent them to Youxin Ye for a CLA. The viewfinders and rangefinders are clear and easy to focus, even with my glasses on. I have never had a problem with the bottom loading. In fact, I prefer it because there are few ways to have light leaks.
__________________
- Peter Schauss
  Reply With Quote

Old 1 Week Ago   #38
traveler_101
American abroad
 
traveler_101 is offline
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Oslo, Norway
Posts: 919
Quote:
Originally Posted by pschauss View Post
I have a IIIa and a IIIf (60th birthday present from my daughter and son-in-law) and love them both. After ten years of use on both, I sent them to Youxin Ye for a CLA. The viewfinders and rangefinders are clear and easy to focus, even with my glasses on. I have never had a problem with the bottom loading. In fact, I prefer it because there are few ways to have light leaks.
IIIf similar experience. I find magnification of the RF helps me to focus. I us the Elmar without an external viewfinder. 35mm CV Colour Skopar with an inexpensive Russian viewfinder - only disadvantage is that it increases size of the package.
  Reply With Quote

Old 1 Week Ago   #39
shawn
Registered User
 
shawn is offline
Join Date: Mar 2013
Posts: 508
My favorite is a clone, the Tower 45. Much easier to load (like a M3), shutter speeds can be accurately set before or after winding, better placement of the shutter release and the lever advance is more convenient.



Shawn (Ducking and covering....)
  Reply With Quote

Squinty Viewfinders
Old 1 Week Ago   #40
David Hughes
Registered User
 
David Hughes's Avatar
 
David Hughes is offline
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 6,062
Squinty Viewfinders

I've got to defend the early Leica's viewfinders for the simple reason that, at the time, they were a vast improvement on the alternatives; meaning ground glass screens. I've a quarter plate SLR from the 1920's with a CZ f/4.5 Tessar fitted and it's a PITA to use.

The Leica with it's direct vision VF would have seemed years ahead and add all the other advantages over the serious amateurs' plate cameras with their f/6.3 lenses to focus upside down and so on and the Leica owners would have felt they were in heaven. And they didn't have to carry several pounds weight of glass plates in metal frames but could load 36 shots at one go...

OTOH, they (Leitz) did have the chance to improve the VF when the all new die cast IIIc appeared but they didn't. Like with many other minor points the range baffles me at times; I mean, why, why not call the new IIIc the series IV?

Regards, David
  Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -8. The time now is 20:46.


vBulletin skin developed by: eXtremepixels
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.

All content on this site is Copyright Protected and owned by its respective owner. You may link to content on this site but you may not reproduce any of it in whole or part without written consent from its owner.