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Old 03-07-2019   #1
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New Leica Q2

New Q2 out with a 47MP sensor .

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New Q2 out with a 47MP sensor .

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The weatherproofing on my SL is a big deal. "I love it."

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47mp M11 & SL2 is next I would think...
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My impression is the Q owners rather like the camera so perhaps no surprise that there is a second iteration.


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My impression is the Q owners rather like the camera so perhaps no surprise that there is a second iteration.


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Michael,

I always liked the "Q." Been hard to resist. Bought a CL to use with fast 50's (50 Lux-R "E60" and 58/1.2 Noct-Nikkor) instead of buying a telephoto for my SL. In the meantime my fashion blog gal kidnapped my CL and bought a 23 Cron for it (35mm FOV).

The 35 Cron-SL is expected to be available in April, and I have been waiting years for this lens.

Looks like the new Q has adopted the same controls as the CL: a great thing. The CL is a fast shooter, and the controls are most basic and minimal.

John's post above about a new SL with a higher MP count for me is a conflict. I suspect a M11 is further down the road, and the new SL is more likely to emerge, perhaps soon.

Again I love the new Q, but having a SL and SL2 works out better for me. I already own a 50 Lux-SL and the addition of a 35 Cron-SL with the two bodies makes the most long term sense.

If I won a lottery I would buy a new Q.

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47mp M11 & SL2 is next I would think...
John,

M10 just got released not too long ago. I suspect the SL perhaps soon and a M11 later.

"Milk the cow," I say.

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M10 just got released not too long ago. I suspect the SL perhaps soon and a M11 later.

"Milk the cow," I say.

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Believe it or not, the M10 is over 2 years old now.
This is great as I'm planning on getting an M10 in 2020/2021. Hopefully a high MP M11 will lower the M10 price even further down (4000$ would be my entry point)
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Believe it or not, the M10 is over 2 years old now.
This is great as I'm planning on getting an M10 in 2020/2021. Hopefully a high MP M11 will lower the M10 price even further down (4000$ would be my entry point)
T,

The SL is about 4 years since released.

"Milk the cow," I say.

You might have to wait, but I think time is your friend.

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Full frame $4200 47mp Leica camera w lens makes the 24mp lensless $8000 M10
seem really over priced now.
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I'm going to buy 3 of them..1 as backup..and the 3rd..as backup..to the 2nd..lol..
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Yes, the Q2 now makes sense to be considered as my next Leica camera.
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M10 just got released not too long ago. I suspect the SL perhaps soon and a M11 later.

"Milk the cow," I say.

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Hmmm...

Uses the same battery as my SL.

Know that I only have the original battery for my SL and don't have a spare. Pretty much never needed one, although I conserve power to do this by turning my camera off.

The Q2 has a big battery. This is a big bonus.

So for about the same price as a 35 Cron-SL a complete camera. What is a SL owner going to do when a new SL2 is very likely?

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First things first ... where is my MM10?
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First things first ... where is my MM10?
Klaus,

Funny how people are anxious: someone already on this thread wants the M11 to come out; and I await a SL2.

Do you think you'll sell your "Q" and get a Q2?

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I think the Q2 looks great, but unless my tax refund is way bigger than I expect, it'll have to wait.

regarding a higher MP M camera - I wonder if the focusing system is accurate enough for that much resolution. My impression is that 24MP is about right for a rangefinder.
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Fantastic camera, Leica has a winner there!

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47mp M11 & SL2 is next I would think...
The last SL came out right after the Q as well, so I'd guess the SL with the new sensor is next.

I doubt that the M11 will have a 47MP sensor and hope they will stay with 28 MP, which is plenty. In the Q, which has a fixed lens, the higher pixel count can be used as a "virtual 35mm lens", or even as 50mm. In the M you don't need it because it has interchangeable lenses.
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I think the Q2 looks great, but unless my tax refund is way bigger than I expect, it'll have to wait.

regarding a higher MP M camera - I wonder if the focusing system is accurate enough for that much resolution. My impression is that 24MP is about right for a rangefinder.
OW,

Doing my taxes tomorrow. We'll see...

Hopefully not painful.

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The last SL came out right after the Q as well, so I'd guess the SL with the new sensor is next.
G,

Now I have GAS for two cameras and no money.

This is brutal.

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More brutal: I have GAS for one camera and no money.
Poor Raid, and poor Calvin. LOL.

I'm going to buy a lottery ticket. If I win I'll buy you a Q2.

Wish us luck.

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P.S. Win at least enough to buy two Q2's. Sometimes I only win a few dollars.
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Thank you Cal! You are my ONLY HOPE left! Mr. Leica does not seem to be interested in giving me a loaner Q2 to try out.
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Thank you Cal! You are my ONLY HOPE left! Mr. Leica does not seem to be interested in giving me a loaner Q2 to try out.
Raid,

Leica is a follower on my gal's Fashion Blog.

Leica has lent me a 24-90 SL zoom for NYC Fashion Week two years ago.

If Leica is lurking on this thread, the hint is I really-really need a new SL2 and Q2. LOL.

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Point of clarification: are the 35, 50, and 75 "modes" just framelines like the M series, or does the focal length fill the whole EVF? I believe I have read that the DNG file contains the entire 28mm but is displayed with crop marks. If it is just framelines, what's the point?
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Sean Reid at Reid Reviews already has a longish review up. Sounds like a nice upgrade to the Q. The 35, 50, and 75 are crops of the full frame 28, but with 47 mp, even cropped, the files are pretty good size. He said the uncompressed raw DNGs are around 85-88 mp. I'm not sure I'd want to deal with files that big.
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Point of clarification: are the 35, 50, and 75 "modes" just framelines like the M series, or does the focal length fill the whole EVF? I believe I have read that the DNG file contains the entire 28mm but is displayed with crop marks. If it is just framelines, what's the point?
I don't know about the EVF, but this (tech-centric) article shows just frame lines on the rear screen, rather than filling the whole screen:
https://www.theverge.com/2019/3/7/18...features-specs
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I've said it before, what is there not to like about the Q? Well, Leica done went and improved it, which is why I hardly ever buy an expensive item in its first iteration. Added another crop frame for portrait work, and upped the sensor resolution to compensate for the cropping. Man, those 28mm files must be monster big!


I'm pretty sure I'd have to upgrade my computer to be able to handle such a beast, but it would be worth it. The dust and weather sealing alone would make it worthwhile over the original. I can rationalize about such a high value purchase as it would save a lot in the short and long runs. It would have been better if the focal length had been determined by a MATE or WATE, but the crop framing simulates a MATE anyway, with the addition of 75mm, and you never have to drop a rear lens cap.


It's a full kit in one camera as far as I'm concerned. And that satisfies me as I won't have to go searching for three or four lenses to go with a camera body, and can travel with the confidence that it will be ready at a moments notice.


But I have to save up more money first. Dang price increases.


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Thing is..you gotz to like dat...lens...a lot..to justify it..
And I'm not so sure..I like the nervy boke..or the way it draws people..big ole noses and all....or distorts either for that matter..or...a 28..pretending to be a 35/50/75..
And there is a review out there..comparing the 1st Q with the 2nd..and the 1st in some circumstances..looks better in low light..than the 2nd one..
But the weather sealing..and video quality...a well as the other upgrades..may make it worth it..
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Klaus,

Funny how people are anxious: someone already on this thread wants the M11 to come out; and I await a SL2.

Do you think you'll sell your "Q" and get a Q2?

Cal

For the occasional use that I grab the Q, I don't need the upgrade. The IQ of the orig. is already excellent. If more mp's is an argument to allow for cropping and sloppy framing in the first place ... that's not really flying with me.
Weather sealing is nice to have, my "non-sealed" cameras (film M's) in the past and MM and M9 never had any issues in use. If it's raing cats and dogs I don't shoot outside.
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As it happens I just today picked up a pristine copy of the first version and am seriously looking forward to giving it a proper try. I have read probably 20 or more online reviews over the past couple of weeks and based on those reviews I have already concluded that it is something out of the box (literally - you should SEE the presentation box this thing comes in). And in the couple of hours I have had my new camera in my hands I can see the image quality is superb - even just when viewed on the rear LCD. Plus this thing is hot, hot, hot. Just beautiful.

As I might have explained elsewhere on this site I was considering upgrading my M8 to an M (240) and found this particular Q when I walked into a store to view a 240 that I knew was on sale there. The beautiful condition of the Q almost sold it without any input from the salesman and little deliberation by me - the owner was selling it at a competitive price on commission through the store to have funds to get the Q2 which also helped much. Good luck to him this sale is a win win.

While the M 240 was and is very tempting, especially given the gamut of Leica M lenses I have in my possession, it seems to be accepted that quite apart from the obvious limitation of a fixed and comparatively wide lens the Q has some advantages in terms of ISO response and dynamic range over the 240. Plus, I reluctantly reached the conclusion that as much as I have loved to use Ms, I now struggle, courtesy of my eyes, to use them well and quickly. A camera with highly competent AF as well as MF has an obvious advantage in that department.

Would I like the Q2? Damn right I would but for now I am content.
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I'm mainly a 28/35mm shooter. This covers 80% or more of my shooting. Occasionally I like a longer lens, 50 or even 75 maybe for just a shoulders and head portrait or to shoot some details.

Therefore I didn't buy the original Q. Now the possibility to crop from a 47 MP sensor to have a virtual 50 with reasonable quality makes it interesting. A good interesting move from Leica which I think will open the customer base. Nice to see Leica active with new proposals

Shall I buy it? I do not think so, cannot justify it for occasionally use, still happy with the M10

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PS: just thinking for the very few times I need the 50/75 it will be easier for me to buy a pre owned T/TL2 with an M adapter, I already heave the EVF20...
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A most expensive point and shoot, almost size of regular M.
A huge MP requiring newest computer..
Why not a zoom lens that offered various lens lengths?
I'd rather lose light than cropping image..
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Miss Q2 looks Yummy to me ...

Tried Klaus' Q1... fast, intuitive, lovely !
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Back in 2016 I had a hard time deciding between a Q and a M-P 240. I went with the M-P, and to be honest I probably should have done the Q instead.

The new Q2 may be more than I can resist. But, I am probably going to wait and see if Leica does the obvious - an ILC version similar to the Q. The idea of a full frame EVF M mount body like a Q is intoxicating.
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Congratulations Peter! I hope that you will post new and beautiful images taken with your Q.
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Hi Robert.
You have the M10, so you already have what many regard as the best digital Leica M camera.
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I've said it before, what is there not to like about the Q? Well, Leica done went and improved it, which is why I hardly ever buy an expensive item in its first iteration. Added another crop frame for portrait work, and upped the sensor resolution to compensate for the cropping. Man, those 28mm files must be monster big!


I'm pretty sure I'd have to upgrade my computer to be able to handle such a beast, but it would be worth it. The dust and weather sealing alone would make it worthwhile over the original. I can rationalize about such a high value purchase as it would save a lot in the short and long runs. It would have been better if the focal length had been determined by a MATE or WATE, but the crop framing simulates a MATE anyway, with the addition of 75mm, and you never have to drop a rear lens cap.


It's a full kit in one camera as far as I'm concerned. And that satisfies me as I won't have to go searching for three or four lenses to go with a camera body, and can travel with the confidence that it will be ready at a moments notice.


But I have to save up more money first. Dang price increases.


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The Q files are already big enough for me.
Cropping down to 50mm is easy and the resultant 11x14 prints are quite good.

Advice: Pick up a used Q as soon as the price hits below $2.5K, which is 1/2 the price of a Q2.
The Q2 weather sealing is not a big deal for me.
My Q with its 1/2 case has been in rainstorms many times in the past 2 years with not a single hiccup. I've taped up the mic opening on top because I don't shoot video and that is the only major point of moisture entry.

Battery life? I carry a spare and have exceeded 500+ shots in a day.
The firmware upgrade makes the Q totally silent and the best streetshooter I've ever owned.
Buy a used Q, save $2.5K and take some nice vacations.
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