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Old 03-14-2012   #281
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Never liked the asph cron with digital (R-d1 or M8) but it realy shines with film!
Just a pity i do not like 35mm lenses very much and prefer 50mm
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Old 03-15-2012   #282
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Just looking ... 332 to 322 is hardly running away with it considering the price advantage of the Zeiss!

I remember checking this poll a while ago and the difference was much greater ... the Leica fans have been late to the party.
Don't get offended... Leica's are still good. Also, did you notice that some time went by since you posted a response to my quote... weeks went by... perhaps the poll changed?
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I have three Zeiss lenses and cannot fault the quality of build and certainly not the imaging. The best thing that has happened to me in my equipment habits is to branch out from Leica to the other M mount makers. I am sure the 35 and 50 Leica asphericals are every bit as good as the most that is claimed for them, but my 21, 25 and 50 Zeiss lenses are merely different to the Leica equivalents not inferior. I would get the C Biogon 35, favouring very much small size as very important in a street shooting lens. My pre-ASPH Leica 35 is smaller than the ZM equivalent, and on an M6 I can have the whole package buried in one hand. I no longer have the idea of only being able to afford non-Leica lens X.
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I sold my 35mm f2 Biogon for a Konica 35mm f2 Hexanon. I never tested them side by side. I loved the images the Biogon produced but the wobble annoyed me.
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I got all my Leica lenses during the dark days of '05 or before, when prices were substantially more reasonable (they (Leica) must coat their lenses in gold now), but if I were doing it today I would go all ZM. I do prefer the Leica for B&W, but the ZM is real nice too.
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Old 04-10-2012   #286
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I just took delivery of a 35mm 2.8 c Biogon. After reading some posts about it, especially some of Semilog's, saying how great it is, I couldn't resist. Can't wait to take it out and try it. I'll let you know how it gos...now if I could only get my hands on one of those focusing tabs.

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EEK! That's a big responsibility. Seriously though, I still have mine and I'm still floored by the results it produces at every aperture.


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borrowed a Friend's 35 biogon over coffee...lovely lens
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From the Biogon + XP2 + Green filter on overcast day:



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I consider buying a lens as an investment, that I will keep for a very long time. When I was serving in the military, I bought a Nikkormat body and several Nikkor lenses at various ports when I was serving in Viet Nam. All still work today, 40 plus years later.

My thought to help and consider, if you buy a lens that you will keep for a long time, how much extra is the expensive lens costing you each day? For me it's a penny or less!

Now that I have a few Leica cameras I will only buy Leica lenses. I consider it an investment, something I will keep for a very long time.

My recommendation, buy what works best for you.

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i thought i liked the 35mm summicron asph but would rather just have the zeiss as the leica seems pretty close to sharpness as the zeiss but then again it has a better lens fingerprint but then again i prefer the 40mm-c summi as it has nicer contrast.
these lenses sit in my closet and as i have been using rolleiflex's for the past month
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Old 02-20-2013   #294
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How much are you willing to pay extra for that look?

Ive just had this dialema and bought Biogon
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Old 02-25-2013   #295
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I simply prefer Biogon to Summicron for Portra 400 color neg, and I believe many would agree.
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Old 02-27-2013   #296
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Hi,

I had all Leica glass, 50 summilux, 35 Cron, 90 Elmarit-m.

Yes this was fantastic glass, but I sold all 3 and bought Zeiss Zm lenses.

I am now using ZM 35mm f2.8 and ZM 50mm f1.5

The 35 is very nice. Small and light.

The 50 is an interesting lens, due to focus shift at wider aperatures. However, it is easy to use once you figure it out and the image quality from both lenses is superb. Personally, I prefer the "Bokeh" of the Zeiss lenses.

The big difference I see is the construction of the lenses. The Leica lenses are more durable than the Zeiss. This only matters if you are really hard on your lenses. I figure my new zeiss lenses should last me a lifetime.

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Well now i know which 35mm im looking for next...
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The big difference I see is the construction of the lenses. The Leica lenses are more durable than the Zeiss. This only matters if you are really hard on your lenses. I figure my new zeiss lenses should last me a lifetime.
My experience (and I am not hard on gear):
1. C-Sonnar: after 3 years rebuilt and relubed (zeiss said "worn gearing")
2. 35 f/2 Biogon: relubed and adjusted for focus ring play (not wobble)
3. 50 f/2 planar: relubed and adjusted for focus ring play (not wobble)
4. 18 f/4 distagon: adjusted for front ring play

All of my ZM lenses perform very well. My mainstay 50's and 35 have needed repairs after a short period of use (the C-Sonnar is my most used lens), and are better afterwards even compared to new. None were repaired under warranty, unhappily.
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I'm on my fourth ZM lens. I have had no mechanical problems with any of them. On the other hand, I had a self-disassembing Gen IV Summicron 50. The most durable and reliable lenses I've had are AIS Nikkors. I wouldn't dare to put my Leica lenses through the wringer as I've done with the Nikons.
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I'm on my fourth ZM lens. I have had no mechanical problems with any of them. On the other hand, I had a self-disassembing Gen IV Summicron 50. The most durable and reliable lenses I've had are AIS Nikkors. I wouldn't dare to put my Leica lenses through the wringer as I've done with the Nikons.
funny enough the only lens Ive had come completely apart on me was a rather scarce AIS Nikkor.

my Minolta 58/1.2 (the early type with the metal scalloped focus ring) had an internal screw back out that required a full CLA to get fixed.

and frankly, sometimes you win the grind lottery and get a lens that is substantially better than average, or straight up lose it and get awful centering and poor performance.

the ZM lenses do appear to have greater longevity issues than some other brands, but I think Zeiss will probably always be willing to fix them up.
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The perception of high build quality. Definitely the smooth well damped focusing rings and the quality of the material are nice to have, but in reality there are as many Leica lemons as there are Zeiss ZM lemons, and maybe even more. I would say Leica and Zeiss are equal in terms of percentage of completely out of whack new lenses that need calibration. Mechanical failures are not common but happen equally to both. Focus drift is also a common Leica problem. Lens parts falling are also documented for both brands. This said, Zeiss ZM are still 1/2 to 1/4 the price of an equivalent Leica lens, use more simple designs that are less likely to develop problems, and are optically on the same level as Leica (for equivalent lenses).
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What Edward said - my experience has been the same. I have repaired a number of M-mount lenses from Leica and Zeiss willingly because they needed it and I value them. The only reason I have invested in the more expensive Leica lenses over the past two-three years is that there haven't been equivalents in the ZM lineup. E.g. a fast 28, a fast tele (that's obtainable).
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hi

I think the biogon has two flaws, its large and at f2 is no wonder...

The crons are better wide open but are more prone to flare and the biogon is not.

For size and wo performance id go for the cron.

But...the cron is expensive...for that reason id choose the other biogon!

Thats the c-biogon 35mm f2.8, that is really superb lens! sharp WO, small, no distortion, 2.8 enough speed etc...

Picture taken with m8 and biogon 35mm f2 at f4...

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own both once
biogon has better distorsion control
sharpness? cant tell differences
color rendering would be to subjective to judge, I love both

on digital, cron has way better corners if it's ur care
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My experience (and I am not hard on gear):
1. C-Sonnar: after 3 years rebuilt and relubed (zeiss said "worn gearing")
2. 35 f/2 Biogon: relubed and adjusted for focus ring play (not wobble)
3. 50 f/2 planar: relubed and adjusted for focus ring play (not wobble)
4. 18 f/4 distagon: adjusted for front ring play

All of my ZM lenses perform very well. My mainstay 50's and 35 have needed repairs after a short period of use (the C-Sonnar is my most used lens), and are better afterwards even compared to new. None were repaired under warranty, unhappily.
Similar but restricted to the 35 f2 Biogon : Focus helical worn out, I took it as a compliment
Retuned better than new, re-collimated, but full repair cost.
Planar f2 50mm is showing symptoms
Summicron f2 35 (chrome) is perfect, mechanically.
The difference is reflected in the cost?

I have a few Cosina built Nikon S fit, they seem to be much better built, perhaps on a special line as they were a limited run?
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I'm really surprised to read about so many instances of helicals wearing out on the Zeiss lenses. I assumed when properly lubricated there wouldn't be any metal to metal contact.
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I have had the 35 cron asph....Fantastic lens , much prefer it to the pre asphs

Have had the 35. C biogon , another Great lens

Now i have the fever for the 35 f 2 Biogon,
have not developed my first roll yet
But so far the size does not bother me and Zeiss glass always focuses Faaast for my eyes

I have memorable shots from ALL lenses I use
So bottom line its purely subjective...
What makes your Hand and Eye Smile
And of course the 'Character' of the lens that suits your 'Style'

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I have had the 35 cron asph....Fantastic lens , much prefer it to the pre asphs

Have had the 35. C biogon , another Great lens

Now i have the fever for the 35 f 2 Biogon,
have not developed my first roll yet
But so far the size does not bother me and Zeiss glass always focuses Faaast for my eyes

I have memorable shots from ALL lenses I use
So bottom line its purely subjective...
What makes your Hand and Eye Smile
And of course the 'Character' of the lens that suits your 'Style'

Happy Shooting !
Welcome back to the 35mm camp! i'm sure one day you will return as well to the 21mm camp. hehe love seeing nyc through your eyes/photos.
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If price was no object, it seems by the comments and the poll, it really wouldn't matter what lens you chose.

My taste in lenses isn't that sophisticated as to be able to differentiate the difference between an image taken on my 35mm type 4 Summicron and my Nikon 35-70 zoom.

Does anyone have the ability to set up a blind test, that we all may be educated in the true value of one lens over the the other.
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If price was no object, it seems by the comments and the poll, it really wouldn't matter what lens you chose.

My taste in lenses isn't that sophisticated as to be able to differentiate the difference between an image taken on my 35mm type 4 Summicron and my Nikon 35-70 zoom.

Does anyone have the ability to set up a blind test, that we all may be educated in the true value of one lens over the the other.
Hi Paul, after many years using Nikon lenses, and more recently leica lenses in the last 6 years I see more detail and shadow definition in my leica negs alone to warrant the differences in leica lenses. Then printing further reveals the look.
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Hi Paul, after many years using Nikon lenses, and more recently leica lenses in the last 6 years I see more detail and shadow definition in my leica negs alone to warrant the differences in leica lenses. Then printing further reveals the look.
Since I bought my Nikon CS9000 scanner I see similar shadow definition in all my properly exposed negatives.

I've had my Leica Ms and Summicrons since the 1980's and my Nikons since the 70's.

I'm sure there is a difference, but I've never seen the difference on a side by side examination.
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Since I bought my Nikon CS9000 scanner I see similar shadow definition in all my properly exposed negatives.

I've had my Leica Ms and Summicrons since the 1980's and my Nikons since the 70's.

I'm sure there is a difference, but I've never seen the difference on a side by side examination.
I get you. Sure. As long as we are happy with our results. Technically we can go nuts, but pictorially is what matters.
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Welcome back to the 35mm camp! i'm sure one day you will return as well to the 21mm camp. hehe love seeing nyc through your eyes/photos.
Awhhhh, very Kind,Lovely of YOU , Thanks !!

35 seems soooo Good again...its such a Joy the 35 perspective
Really Enjoying it and to my surprise have not lusted after my 50 ( at least not yet)
I once met on a bus, an elderly woman photographer on her way to ICP to develop her film... She only shot 35 mm film with a 35 lens and had Five 35's and no other focal length
I admired her obsessive nature....who knows maybe I now 'get it' , hehehe
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Awhhhh, very Kind,Lovely of YOU , Thanks !!

35 seems soooo Good again...its such a Joy the 35 perspective
Really Enjoying it and to my surpris not lusted after my 50 ( at least not yet)
I once met on a bus, an elderly woman photographer on her way to ICP to develop her film... She only shot 35 mm film with a 35 lens and had Five 35's and no other focal length
I admired her obsessive nature....who knows maybe I now 'get it' , hehehe
haha great story! must be a fun exercise every morning to decide which 35 to use today.
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'CRON SUX, BIOGON RLEZ!

Just kidding. Such wonderful lenses, all of 'em.
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423 votes a piece - who'd a thought such an equal amount of love?

My vote went for the Biogon, which I'll be picking up to join my 50 Planar, 25 Biogon and 18 Distagon.
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Image quality wise I think the're are both great enough!
I tend to like Leica better for the size and built quality more than those of Zeiss.
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35Biogon is an amazing lens. Sharp from corner to corner wide open and produces very pleasing tones without too much contrasts. Its hard to justify paying 3 times more for a 35cron asph
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The Biogon is totally winning!

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35Biogon is an amazing lens. Sharp from corner to corner wide open and produces very pleasing tones without too much contrasts. Its hard to justify paying 3 times more for a 35cron asph
I would take the Leica lens if given a straight choice (smaller, takes 39mm filters, has better contrast, especially at f/2), but I am more than happy with my Biogon, especially at a third of the price, as you say.
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