Old 09-15-2017   #361
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Maybe just my monitor. I could not see a zone 0. Not that's mandatory either. I just like an "achoring black".
You're right, looking at the histogram there's no zone 0, but that's the way my Nikon Coolscan treat the negative. Later when PP, I can adjust the level to suit my taste. However personally I do not prefer not the have "totally black" in my photos, just close to that is enough for me: still retaining shadow details but give the deep black impression at the same time.
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Personally, I prefer the second shot, though I don't know if it's the Summaron. It curtainly looks sharper and has more shadow detail, but that could be the printing/scanning. I think that both pictures could benefit from deeper blacks.
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I agree the second one looks just a bit sharper. I see nothing wrong with the tonality, though. They are both great in that respect!
I personally totally forgot which one was shot by which lens.
Only when I recalled that Erik Van Straten once said that the Summaron's actually focal lengths is 38mm, a bit narrower than other 35mms.
Based on that aspect, the later one (number 44) was shot by the Summicron IV, and well, that's also fit my conclusion that the Summicron IV is sharper than the Summaron, right at f/2.8
When stopped down to 5.6, I see no difference. Links below for your information

P/S: the scans are straight out of the scanner, with same settings and in the same rolls. I assume that the scanner treated both negatives the
same ways.


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Looking forward to see more work with the Summaron Trung!
Still my fave walkaround lens. And at 2.8 I found it different enough compared to my other 2 35s (lux pre and cron asph).
m2, summaron 35 2.8, tri-x, perceptol
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PS: I can't remember which f-stop I use here
I think this time I will keep the Summaron longer that last time.
Let's see how it treats me.
My current photos posted in "Hanoi viewed through Leica M" threat were shot by the Summaron by the way.
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Old 11-01-2017   #364
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Old 11-01-2017   #365
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If you need one in fantastic condition, check out my Ebay auction (item 282712297437), which ends on Sunday.

Fantastic lens, just not my preferred focal length.
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Old 11-01-2017   #366
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This thread made me get a Summaron a while ago. My 'cron rigid has been on a lot lately... but I think I'll put the Summaron on tomorrow and keep it there for a few weeks! Fantastic photos everyone!
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Old 02-27-2018   #368
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Old 02-27-2018   #369
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Old 02-27-2018   #370
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Old 03-05-2018   #371
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First test shots with my recently acquired M3 version Summaron 35/2.8.
The lens renders beautifully in digital. Nice colors and great contrast on its own. The color image i only enhanced very little in the saturation. The black and white images have VERY minor adjustments in contrast. It is definitely a legendary lens.
Cant wait to develop my first roll with this lens! You can expect film shots with this lens sometime next week.

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Old 03-05-2018   #373
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I compared my Summaron 2.8 (LTM version) against my versions I and IV Summicrons, and the Summaron was the best across the frame (corner to corner) from 2.8 to 5.6 after which not surprisingly all 3 were pretty similar. Both of my Summicrons were (to me) surprisingly similar in IQ
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I now own 2 35mm lenses, the Summaron and the Summicron IV. FOr color I can see the difference in color render but since I shoot mostly B/w, I hardly can tell the differences.
Here is a recent one taken by the 35/2.8 More in my other thread "Hanoi viewed through Leica M"


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Lovely pictures, Giulio!

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Many years ago, I switched a 35/2.8 Summaron with a 35/2 Summicron. I should have kept both.
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Many years ago, I switched a 35/2.8 Summaron with a 35/2 Summicron. I should have kept both.
yes, i'm glad i own both. i came so close to selling the summaron.
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I sold the 35/2.8 not knowing yet of its qualities.
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Hello everyone, here are a set of photos from the Summaron 35/2.8. I've been giving it some love and attention. I hope some of you enjoy these.

Old sheds near Lobethal and pears
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I sold the 35/2.8 not knowing yet of its qualities.
Hmmm, never sell lenses...but you can find again another one
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PS: excellent photos in this thread, but I'm afraid are the photographers to make them so good...not just the lens! Bravo to everyone!
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These shots look digitally over-sharpened. They are great shots! Why not kill the excess sharpening and re-post?
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Old 04-02-2018   #385
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Hi Rob,

thanks for your input.

The 3 photos are straight scans from my Epson V600 without much or any post production.

I am one of the less knowledgeable person when it comes down to photo editing and this is also the part of my workflow I like the least.

I quickly re-process one of photo, please have a look and let me know it looks better to your eyes:

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Giulio, to be honest I prefer the first version, the second version is too pale.

I think Rob F. is aiming at the "Unsharp Mask" setting in Photoshop, if you are using that. This is a digital device to make your picture to look sharper than it actually is.

Usually I put it on an amount of 343% at a radius of 0,1 pixels. That gives me the sharpness of a normal analog print. However, if you make a smaller copy of your picture to show it on the web ("save for web") you'll have to back to about 30% at a radius of 0,1 pixels, otherwise the picture gets an unpleasant look.

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Thanks Erik.

I tried the suggested settings and I am ending up getting almost the same look as my first photo.
Normally I just scan and adjust the levels (if necessary to my eyes).
I never really spend too much time on editing, my bad.

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Giulio,
in case you're using the Epson Scan software there's a very good chance that the software is applying a sharpness mask by itself which in my opinion is too strong and always leads to over-sharpened looking scans.
To prevent this, you have to work in "Professional mode" and make sure the "unsharp mask" box has no tick. In my version of the software the tick goes back on by itself after each new preview and scan, which I find quite annoying because sometimes I forget to remove it and I have to scan again.

https://files.support.epson.com/html...ug/scan2_4.htm

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Hi Rob,

thanks for your input.

The 3 photos are straight scans from my Epson V600 without much or any post production.

I am one of the less knowledgeable person when it comes down to photo editing and this is also the part of my workflow I like the least.

I quickly re-process one of photo, please have a look and let me know it looks better to your eyes:

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Yes, I think it does look better! I'd like to see the third of the three above, done that way, as I think it needs the most help. The little speckled details in the coat, and on the ground, jump out at me too much. Perhaps a lower contrast would help.
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This lens has gone up in price over the last couple of years. Used to see the non goggled version go for $800 now theyre north of 1k
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Guys,
I will have a look and rescan these checking for the right settings as soon as I have the time for it (end of the week possibly).
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Interesting: some of the images are super sharp; others, not so much.
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Interesting: some of the images are super sharp; others, not so much.
Most possibly others camera, exposure, development and scanning technique. Not the lens.

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Interesting: some of the images are super sharp; others, not so much.
it's sharp. i tested mine against a couple 35mm primes that are known to be "sharp", and it was the sharpest.

it was ahead of its time when it was released, as many 60s Leica optics are known to be.
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A day at the Adelaide Zoo
Leica M2, Leitz Summaron 35/2.8, Adox CMS 20ii, Rodinal 1:200, 20 mins @ ISO 6


I've had 4 of these Summarons, and found that the one with slightly more contrast is the one with purple/blue
coatings compared to amber/purple coatings. Not much, but there is a difference.

This lens is sharp.
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Love this family portrait Jose!
I am considering some slower iso film for the summer but i am so used to trix that chaning it will be difficult for me.
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Well, I love Tri-X, but the green sensitivity on this Adox CMS 20ii has really won me over. I have 1 more roll to expose, and would like to buy more soon. With this film I don't need to use a green filter - great!

The T. Rex is after us!
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