Old 11-15-2017   #921
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It is nice to collect fake Leica lens caps. I have a nickel plated one (probably Russian) and a very old brass one with an eye soldered on it to connect it to the camera; this one may be original, but I've never seen anything like it.

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Old 11-15-2017   #922
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Mine appears to be aluminium under the black paint. And the position of the Leica engraving appears off and someone filled it in with white paint.
It is in the style of the early black paint brass caps though.
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Old 11-16-2017   #923
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1938 uncoated 5cm f/1.5 Xenon, Fomapan
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Old 11-17-2017   #924
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Rick, that must be a very fine Xenon. Do you have a picture of it?

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Old 11-17-2017   #925
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Best picture I have of it at the moment.


It came to me as marked "Ugly" from KEH. The lens barrel was spinning freely in the focus mount. And both ends were full of cleaning marks.
Clearly someone had attempted a CLA but could not figure out how to get the lens back together properly. Took me a while to figure it out too.
I polished the front and rear surface, that probably took off the coating but got rid of the cleaning marks.

It's still pretty glowwy, but that's hardly unexpected with 10 lens-air surfaces to reflect stray light off of.

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Getting out of the Rain at Notre-Dame-de-Cenilly


Heavy weapons team in Pont-Brocard


Leica IIIc, 5cm f/1.5 Sonnar, Double-X (EI200, over-developed)
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Old 11-17-2017   #927
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It's still pretty glowwy, but that's hardly unexpected with 10 lens-air surfaces to reflect stray light off of.
Yes, that made me stay away from the Xenon (and from the Summarit 50mm f/1.5 wich is the same lens, but coated; Junku Nishimura makes however great use of it).



This is a beautiful shot, really looks like an original picture from the 1940's.

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I think their reputation is made worse by that a lot of Xenons and Summarits suffer from haze after 60-70 years.

Protected from stray light and contre-jour these can be quite good. Brian Sweeney recently showed images (over at Leica Place) taken with a very clean sample under indoor conditions.
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Old 11-23-2017   #929
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28mm f/6.3 Hektor, superpan 200
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More LTM-conversion Sonnar 5cm f/1.5 with overcooked double-x
Stitched together from a few shots.


Colleville-sur-Mer American Cemetery.
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Elmar 5cm 1934 @F4
Dandelion clocks telling the same time:
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clocks by debrux2010, on Flickr[/IMG]
Paris:
paris5 by debrux2010, on Flickr]
Pont Neuf:
paris6 by debrux2010, on Flickr
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Leica IIIc, Leitz 5cm f/2.5 Hektor, Fomapan (HC-110, H, 12.5mins at 20C)
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Old 12-04-2017   #933
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H Rick, I can't get this picture through RFf's private mailbox. So:

All the best,

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Thanks, Eric showed it to me on the Vintage Camera Collectors group a few minutes ago.

Another photo taken that day... at 1/10th @ f/2.5
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Old 12-06-2017   #935
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Flanders Fields American Cemetery on Armistice/Veterans Day.
Leica IIIc, 5cm f/2.5 Hektor, Fomapan 100
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Apologies for the dusty scan.
Leica IIIc with converted pre-war CZJ 5cm f/1.5 Sonnar, Fomapan 100
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Old 12-11-2017   #937
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That sweet girl again!

Very nice.

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Thalita and Jaap at the Dutch Army Engineer Museum in Vught.

We had brought too much Signal Corps junk with us that weekend



(cheating with the M-E and an M-mount Elmar)
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Old 01-31-2018   #939
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It's quiet here lately....


Leica M-E with 1943 5cm f/1.5 Sonnar LTM


Leica M-E with 1938 5cm f/1.5 Xenon
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Quiet indeed, Rick.

I'll take the uncoated Elmar 50mm out shortly and post some more shots from it...
Currently on the Sony A7 but once the parts for my scanning rig arrive I'll be shooting film and scanning it with the A7.

There's a Stepper on the way that could use a chrome lens, maybe I should make an effort and find a prewar uncoated lens for it... So that I'll have two lenses to post from
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I need to fill up that roll of Foma Retropan 320 I have in the Nicca IIIf before I load anything else (repaired Contax I is next in line), but inspiration is running thin at the moment.

There is a IIIf with Summarit on the way....but yeah, post-war.


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Rick & Erik,

Have really enjoyed looking through your photos. They make me want to load up my 1941 IIIc w/1940 Summitar & go out shooting...think I will do just that. Again, wonderful photos, thanks for sharing them.
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Cheers Mike,

I confess I'm scrapping the bottom of the barrel a bit with no new stuff coming in


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Leica IIIc with 1939 Summitar and Y0 filter
Bulk-loader scratched the film
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Thank you Mike, I just repaired and cleaned a black Leica III (1936), so maybe I'll have something to post soon.

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5cm f/1.5 Xenon on M-E
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Schitterend portret, Rick! Nooit geweten dat je met een Xenon echt kan fotograferen.

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(Beautiful portrait, Rick! Never knew that a Xenon really can take pictures. Erik.)
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Around f/2 it does actually do nice things with portraits, but you really need to guard against stray light, apart from that I don't think it renders that different from the Summarit. (The MTF charts really are all over the place).


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I've always thought that a Xenon and a Summarit are the same thing, only that a Summarit is coated.

A Summilux 50mm v1 seems to be the same too, but then with other glasses, so it is not the same if you see what I mean. I have a Summilux v1 and I must say that it is excellent.

See this most interesting article: http://www.marcocavina.com/articoli_...tro/00_pag.htm

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Brian Sweeney noted slight differences between the formulas.


Xenon on the left, Summarit on the right.

I guess the Summarit formula is a recalculated Xenon formula to take advantage of modern glass types that became available after World War 2, similar to the Elmar and Summitar->Summicron.
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This diagram tells everything about the glass types.

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If it wasn't for lanthanum glass types than perhaps they're slight tweaks for the improved refraction qualities of the coating. ...though my Xenon is coated...(well, only internally now )

I'd have to check my Leica Lens Literature to see if I can glean any other info.



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Incredible that they could make the calculations without a computer ...

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A bit of trial and error too I would expect
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"There is some discussion whether the Summitar[typo?] used glass with a higher index than the Xenon and thus deliver better performance.
This discussion has been based on the idea that the Summitar [again?] has been designed after the war and could employ new glass types. The serial number allocation however does indicate that the lens was ready for production in 1939. It seems to be identical in all respects to the Xenon, as the factory records do indicate." - Dennis Laney

He continues that performance is very close if not identical to the Xenon.

At f/1.5 the MTF shows definition and contrast dropping off very quickly beyond 3mm of the lens center. Always thought the f/1.5 was taking it a stop too far.
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Cartier-Bresson used a Summarit 50mm f/1.5 for his reportage about Moscow in 1954. The shots at f/1.5 are not very sharp to put it mildly.

In 1974 he used a Noctilux 50mm f/1.2 for his second reportage about Moscow. The shots at f/1.2 are not very sharp either.

In those years the demands on sharpness were not very high I presume.

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Faces of Passchendaele 100 (1917-2017)
1943 CZJ 5cm f/1.5 Sonnar on Leica M-E

Shame Prince Charles and his entourage did not pass by our little 'field studio'.
Adore this One Rick ...Beautiful !
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Cheers Helen,

We did a series of such portraits, alas light was too harsh in some of them.
And I couldn't get much done with the Graflex 22 setup on my Auto Graflex camera.

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A different LTM 5cm f1/.5 Sonnar (1943) on Leica M-E
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A washed out Sunny-16 shot from 2009, somewhere in Belgium


Leica IIIa + Summar
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Another one from the same series back in 2009



Hanging out at the Siegfried line near Vaals, with my Signal Photo Company buddies.
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