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Old 02-23-2016   #41
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Darn...

The DP Quattro series cameras has an additional aspect ratio 21:9 that they left out of new sd quattro cameras.

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21:9 is listed in the specs...

http://www.sigma-global.com/en/camer...pecifications/

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http://3.static.img-dpreview.com/fil...1190292583.jpg
What a cool battery grip, thanks for the tip-off. I love it. And is that dual screens on the back? Or just one very wide screen?
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Yes, but the 21:9 ratio is just a crop of the standard 3:2 aspect ratio. I don't need that. I'll just crop it later if needed.
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I was a big fan of the Merrill cameras but I just don't think the Quattro cameras are a step up in IQ. I liked my SD1 but for some reason it became a huge battery hog so I stopped using it.
I just don't like the Quattro sensor. I don't like the lower resolution for two of three colors compared to the Merrill sensor. The Quattro files process faster and are a little better at higher ISO but, for me, the IQ isn't there.
I love the Foveon concept but the technology isn't there yet to handle the noise at high ISO.
I am tempted to try the new SD Quattro but I will wait for a comparison with the SD1.
If u can shoot close to base ISO the Merrill sensor provides superior fidelity for most situations. The main reason I still have my Merrill cameras.

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21:9 is listed in the specs...

http://www.sigma-global.com/en/camer...pecifications/

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Thanks.. I was looking at the specs from a different site and they didn't have it there. I think it was DP review..

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Yes, but the 21:9 ratio is just a crop of the standard 3:2 aspect ratio. I don't need that. I'll just crop it later if needed.
Like any other aspect ratio whether 4:3, 3:2 or 1:1, it is not not a crop but that info is passed in the raw file and SPP respects the info and maintains the aspect ratio during presentation and conversion to tiff format.

On top u c what the final product looks like.

If I are one that never uses the different aspect ratios but crops during post, then yeh. For me, I like to composed based on my intended aspect ratio...much easier seeing it then imagining what it will look like.

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Side by side shot of the sd1 Merrill and sd Quattro
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Side by side shot of the sd1 Merrill and sd Quattro

http://www.mirrorlessrumors.com/sigm...-the-nec-show/

Just an FYI.

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any brave people took the dive into the SD quattros yet?
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nice !! impressive pics
Hi Maitani!

Thanks for the kind remark. The Sd Quattro is a fun camera to use. I get my best results when I treat it like an old film camera; working slowly and deliberately to get the shot. It's certainly not a camera for fast action or quickly changing situations. The auto focus is slow but in my experience accurate.

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Does anyone have experience of both the DP0 and the SD?

I'm tempted by the DP0 to use as a digital XPan style camera. 21:9 + 14mm lens looks like a great approximation. As mentioned previously, I want to work in the aspect ratio I want, not to crop in PP, so this is a great feature.

What has surprised me is the price of the SD. In the UK the DP0 and SD body are the same price. Adding a lens would cost more, but ultimately give me the flexibility of using different lenses in the future (although the inability to use lots of legacy lenses is a major disappointment).

I'm not familiar with Sigma at all - do they have a 14mm prime? I'm happy to use a manual legacy lens if that's a possibility as I'm not bothered about AF (I'm guessing the SD has focus peaking?).
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Are there adaptors for other lenses to be used on sigma bodies? Specially I'm thinking about Nikon lenses. If so, it might be something to look into once my venerable workhorse D700 gives up (which I hope is not in immediate future, even though shutter count says to me it can be any day now).
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Are there adaptors for other lenses to be used on sigma bodies? Specially I'm thinking about Nikon lenses. If so, it might be something to look into once my venerable workhorse D700 gives up (which I hope is not in immediate future, even though shutter count says to me it can be any day now).
The SA mount has the same 44mm flange focal distance as the Canon EF mount (as well as its af protocol and mount electrical contacts...but in a different order I believe?). So Nikon F lenses will definitely adapt to the SA mount without issue, but that's only if an F to SA adapter is out there.

JTAT makes one. https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/3157831 Though I don't know if they're still available. There are SD, SA to EF, flange conversions out there.

As for Nikon G lenses, well I doubt there is an adapter for SA flange. But there is a G to EF adapter with electronic focus confirmation and manual iris control. https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produ...type_lens.html
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Does anyone have experience of both the DP0 and the SD?
I do. I used to have an Xpan, but sold it after I got the DP0. I only shoot 21:9 on the DP0 and it's been giving me some amazing pictures. Granted the handling on the Xpan is much nicer, but for the convenience and image quality, I think the dp0 is quite good.

As long as you are shooting in good light, that is. Anything above 400 on the DP0 is not that great.
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nice, mike, thanks for posting. i had to put my sd quattro plans on hold for now, hopefully next year.
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nice, mike, thanks for posting. i had to put my sd quattro plans on hold for now, hopefully next year.
It's worth the wait!
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Mike, what is your impression of the 17mm-70mm zoom?

I noticed today that several retailers have discounted the APS-c SD Quattro and 30mm f1.4 kit down to US$799, and body only is $599.
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Mike, what is your impression of the 17mm-70mm zoom?
Larry, I like the Sigma 17-70mm f2.8-4 "Contemporary" lens just fine.

I live in Japan and I don't own a car which means I use a lot of public transportation (primarily trains) and as such I like to travel light (one camera and one lens). I bought the 17-70mm lens for overnight sightseeing trips so I could have some versatility and the f2.8-4 is something I can live with.

So far I've been impressed with the lens; good image quality and it's not too heavy (actually kind of a light weight).

On the down side, the manual focus ring is not what one finds on the Sigma "Art" prime lenses. It's got a short throw and feels a little feeble. Auto focus works like a champ! (EDIT - Let rephrase that: a champ that is a little slow but very accurate) And, the macro is quite good too!

All-in-all, I like the lens for the intention that I bought it for "lightweight overnight travel".

I hope this helps.
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How does the 17-70 do on the Quattro H if you turn off the DC Crop Mode? How bad does it vignette and so on?

Wondering if that lens is usable in 21:9 with DC Crop Mode off.

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How does the 17-70 do on the Quattro H if you turn off the DC Crop Mode? How bad does it vignette and so on?

Wondering if that lens is usable in 21:9 with DC Crop Mode off.

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I have exactly the same question.
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I have exactly the same question.
FWIW, it looks like the older 17-50 2.8 (on sale for $369 right now) will work fine on the Quattro H in 21:9 mode with DC Crop off. That lens has black corners at 17mm on the Quattro H in 3:2 but look fine in 21:9.

EDIT: See this thread for the 17-50 on the Quattro H with DC Crop OFF. https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4164071

If you download the full resolution 3:2 files and then crop it to 21:9 the vignetting is not an issue.

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Mike, what is your impression of the 17mm-70mm zoom?.
Larry, here are a few images to go along with my previous comments.

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Thank you Mike, I have been enjoying your street series. Those look plenty good for a walk around zoom.

I ordered the APS-c version and 30mm lens, it should arrive in a week,or so.
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Larry, here are a few images to go along with my previous comments.

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Thanks, what is your camera's "DC Crop Mode" set to? That is on the first page of the shooting menu.

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Thanks, what is your camera's "DC Crop Mode" set to? That is on the first page of the shooting menu.

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Hi Shawn, I had to check (I didn't know); it's set to "Auto".

I never gave the DC Crop Mode much thought, I guess I'll have to read the manual and see what's the most advantageous for me. Thanks for bring this point up.
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Hi Mike,

With the DC Crop mode ON (or set to Auto with a sigma 'DC' lens mounted) you are essentially turning your camera into a SD Quattro (no-H) as it crops the sensor down to APS-C sized.

If you turn that OFF you will use the full size (and resolution) of the sensor but may or may not have vignetting on your 17-70 lens. From what I have seen I think it will vignette somewhat.

What could be interesting is if the vignetting is just in the corners that lens may be able to be shot in 21:9 format on the Quattro H. The 17-50 f2.8 is like this. It has black corners on the Quattro H but if you shoot 21:9 that isn't a problem.

Some of Sigma DC lenses will vignette all around the frame on larger than APS-C sized sensors. Those might not work on on the Quattro H in 21:9. I'm looking to see if the 10-20 is one of them. You get vignetting all around the frame when shot full frame but if you scale that image by 30% (the crop factor of the Quattro H) it looks like will just have dark corners so shooting 21:9 with the Quattro H may work.

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I wonder if Sigma will release the new 16mm f1.4 in Sigma SA mount? Currently available in m4/3 and Sony E mount.

It would seem to be a good companion to the 30mm f1.4.
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I ordered the APS-c version and 30mm lens, it should arrive in a week,or so.
Nice. I just picked up the SD Quattro H with a 17-50. I am looking to use it as a *much* easier panoramic setup (current is three Coolpix As stitched later on) and also maybe for IR with the removable hot filter.

I previously had a DP2M and DP3M so am familiar with the Sigmas.

The body of the SD Quattro is interesting. Big and very solid feeling. Reminds me of the Bronica RF645 with the big grip and very rectangular body. Lots of nice touches on the body. The diopter adjustment for the EVF is brilliant as it must be lifted to be changed. The diopter adjustments on my Fujis get moved accidentally pretty often. I do not like the location of the power switch as you can not turn it on one handed. The switch is also easily mistaken with the AF/M switch on the lens. The location of the lock switch would have been perfect for power. The extension on the body for the lens mount is also odd when you go to unmount a lens. I keep hitting the unlock button and then trying to twist the body itself.

The combination of two LCDs with the status on the smaller screen is very handy as it gives direct access to exposure compensation, ISO, metering and the mode (PASM) along with aperture and shutter speed displayed on it. In manual mode it will also show the relative exposure.

Menus are similar to the DP2/3M but there is some inconsistencies in how the menus work. For example, when you go into the actual camera menus you can use the front or rear command dials to move through pages of the menu, even when a setting is highlighted. To see the options of that setting you must press OK to get into the options.

However, if you bring up the QS menu (which is customizable for settings) you move through the setting with the D-Pad. If you have a setting selected if you press OK (to get into the options like in the main menu) you exit the QS menu. To actually see the options for each setting in the QS menu you scroll through them with the wheels. In other words the main menu and the QS menus work just about opposite each other which is frustrating.

As far as shooting goes the camera is much more responsive than the DPMs. With a fast card (and image review off) you can basically shoot every couple of seconds and the camera never bogs down as it will continue to flush the buffer even while continuing to shoot. As I recall, on the DPMs it had the same 7 shot buffer but it wouldn't write to the memory card if you kept shooting. You had to stop to let the buffer flush. Buffer writes are much faster on the SD about 4-5 seconds for raw+Jpeg. Like the DPM you can not review any shots if the camera is writing to the card other than using the instant review option.

As all the reviews state the EVF liveview isn't great but it works fine for framing. The 21:9 AR option is great for shooting panoramic. You have the option of it blacking out the top/bottom of 21:9 frame or you can set it to be semi-transparent (darker) to give a sort of rangefinder feel of seeing outside of the framing, at least above and below.

With the EVF a little above the body it looks like you should be able to shoot both eyes open but that does not work at all. The EVF is to the right of the lens. With both eyes open my left eye is above the lens. The combined image of the open eye and EVF is visually confusing as they are vertically misaligned. I think this is because I am basically seeing the same point of view from each eye but vertically misaligned by several inches.

Will be shooting more this weekend to see how it can do.

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Nice details Shawn, thanks for the write up.

I'm a DPM shooter, so the menus should at least seem similar. I am looking forward to using an EVF rather than the LCD and loupe, and to DNG files to speed workflow. Let us know what you think of the 17-50mm lens.
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I never used a loupe with my DPMs so the EVF is a nice improvement from the LCD screen.

Not sure about DNG yet as I have only used it a little. Under artificial lighting it seemed like WB was more difficult for LR than SPP but I need to spend more time with that. You can not shoot DNG+JPG which I do not like. The JPGs on the SDQ are much improved compared to the SDM.

Regarding the 17-50 the OS works very well and it focus reasonably quickly, faster than the DPM and much faster in low light. I'm shooting with DC crop off. Wide open the lens is sharp in the center but the corners are softer (extreme corners are black out in3:2) with CA present. Stopped down the corners softness improves. Haven't had good weather to really do much with the lens yet.

One thing the SDQ seems to be missing is any sort of DOF preview mode. It isn't a setting option for any of the buttons and the lens does not stop down when the shutter is half pressed, it only does that on release. Not sure if that is an oversight or intentional due to what effect DOF preview might have on live view with the Foveon as it can't gain up as well as other cameras.

The Super Detail mode is interesting. Easy way of shooting a bracket along with keeping the files organized together easier. SPP is a little odd as one time it did not seem to see the SD file. Shooting in that mode eats space. A 32gb card was good for about 43 shoots, felt like using film again.

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*Love* the C1, C2 and C3 modes on the Sigma as they will save/change many of the cameras shooting settings including aspect ratio and the DC Crop setting. As an example I can set C1 for 21:9 shooting with DC Crop Off and C2 for 3:2 with DC Crop on to avoid the corners of the 17-50 DC lens. C settings are changed as part of the Mode setting using the direct button on the back and the dial. Shooting RAW the camera records the full frame all the time but SPP respects these settings when processing. Raw+Jpeg gives the full frame in the X3F file and the cropped frame in the JPEG.

Nice touch in SPP is that the crop settings include options for all the DC crop settings.



Totally boring example of the 17-50 2.8 shot 3:2 in full frame (at 17mm), in 21:9 (DC crop OFF) and then with the DC 3:2 crop in place.







Increasing the focal length of the 17-50 and the black corners shrink. That also varies a little based on F stop.

As you can see SPP can have a weird quirk in that the colors (WB). Sometimes it does not refresh properly so SPP displays colors pre/WB as it did above.

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Thanks for the review, Shawn, good info. The 21:9 info and shooting with both eyes open info is new to me.
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SD Quattro (APS-c version) arrived with the 30mm f1.4 Art lens. Size is about as expected, larger, but the grip and overall design is good. The odd camera shape has me wondering what type of bag to use? The fact that you can change the battery and SD card while mounted on a tripod is good. The lens mount is long, so the camera feels somewhat nose heavy. The EVF placement to the right side of the camera doesn't bother me, as it is extended enough to keep my nose mostly off the LCD screen.


Controls seem intuitive except for the odd placement of the on/off power. Autofocus is decent speed, not fast but adequate. The EVF is OK, not up to current m4/3 standards but certainly better than using the LCD. Peaking and focus magnification work well. Quick Menu placement is good, and is customizable.

Auto white balance seems better than the DP Merrills. XF3 files look like they have less overall micro-contrast than the Merrills, but I haven't time to experiment with them. JPEGs look quite good straight out of camera. The DNG files open easily in LR /PS, a welcome speed to workflow. Odd though that DNGs won't open in the Sigma software. Black and white files look really good, color seems biased to warmer yellow so far. All files look amazingly sharp, the 30mm "Art" lens seems excellent.

Overall for $799 with the lens included, it seems like an excellent value. I'm happy. Still thinking about which zoom or wide lens to add.
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