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Reflex 35mm SLR Kickstarter delayed
Old 07-15-2018   #1
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Reflex 35mm SLR Kickstarter delayed

Email from Reflex:

A lot of news this time around...

But let's start with the question that will be on most people's minds; How is production going and will the camera ship on time? The honest answer is that while a lot of work has been done and progress is made on a daily basis, shipping as was originally planned for the end of August is now not realistic. We are still aiming for Photokina in September to present the camera, but in these past few weeks it has become apparent to us that the camera will not ship before end 2018. We are aware that for some this will come as a disappointment, but hopefully after reading the following, the added value on which this decision is based will seem clear.

DFM, Sourcing and Economy of Scales: As mentioned in previous updates, Design For Manufacturing is where we had our biggest learning curve as a hardware startup. What makes this specific case more challenging is that there are not many specialist manufacturers around and since the product is a combination of optical, mechanical and electronically parts, it was not easy to find the right contract manufacturing partners. Additionally because of the relatively small production run, parts sourcing is more difficult because of minimum quantity orders.

Solution: As a solution, we have decided to find long term partners who are willing to learn and invest. However we also need the economy of scales to kick in for certain components in order to keep the production cost acceptable. This can be done by clustering contract orders for products that share a large portion of components. With this in mind, we have been advancing design and pre-production of the two other key products in the Reflex Ecosystem...

Film Processor: Electronics, sensors and automation have come a long way since the 90's and there is definitely room for a practical and affordable personal mini-lab. We are working on a fully automatic desktop-size developer. The ReflexLab does C41, E6 and Black and White and takes any film format from 110 up to 5x7"

Estimated retail price will be under 500

Lens-Based Scanner: Again a product with great room for an update from both flatbed to dedicated film scanners, be it in scanning speed, resolution or software. The ReflexScan can do 110 film up to 5x7" size negatives and has a small footprint.

Estimated retail price will be around 200

Field Notes and Metadata: The central Reflex app connects these 3 key products (this includes Reflex I) and syncs both data and metadata, as well as communicating film developing and scanning presets.

Prime Lens: A first in a line of three fast aperture manual prime lenses. A Sony E-Mount version will also be released.

Estimated retail price will be under 250

All products will be presented in 2018 and there will be prototypes of the Reflex I, the ReflexScan and prime lens at our stand at Photokina in September (2018).

So while we regret to have to push back the camera launch and shipping dates, we hope the decision to do so is understandable.

Meanwhile we will keep building the Reflex brand with quality photography products as we continue to work on the camera.

As always, thank you for the continued support and for more in-between stories, follow us on @shotonreflex Instagram Story Updates!

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Well, the ReflexLab sounds interesting.
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Well, the ReflexLab sounds interesting.

At first yes, but I think we have to be realistic:
1. We have excellent semi-automatic home processor solutions made new by JOBO.
https://www.jobo.com/?ecms_lang=EN
Trustworthy design since decades. The two current models are improved and the best models ever made in this line-up.
E6, C41, BW negative and positive, RA-4, all is possible with these processors. Also developing several films in one batch.
Prices start at 1190.

2. A fully automatic processor is offered by German Lukas Fritz with his Filmomat:
https://www.filmomat.eu/?lang=en
Very good processor, but with two main disadvantages:
1. With E6 only the Tetenal 3-bath process is possible (not the original 6-bath process).
2. Very small tanks, so very little film in one batch (much less compared to JOBO).
Price: 3.500

Osiris failed with their cheap fully automatic processor. It was crap (a friend of mine had one). It doesn't work properly.

Therefore:
I doubt that a quality film processor is possible at only 500 pounds as Reflex has announced it.
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Very ambitious. Hard to produce at target cost, similar to the Reflex SLR.



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First off, I'm a backer. But I'm getting this sinking feeling.
It seems that their attentions are now getting diverted by these other products in order to raise capital (I guess) for the camera.
If I knew back then what I know now.. ahh to be young and naive! Now I'm just naive..
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First off, I'm a backer. But I'm getting this sinking feeling.
It seems that their attentions are now getting diverted by these other products in order to raise capital (I guess) for the camera.
If I knew back then what I know now.. ahh to be young and naive! Now I'm just naive..
Don't I know the feeling! But as intriguing as it all sounds, I am glad I didn't jump on the bandwagon. If it all works out however, I may jump later.
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Well, the ReflexLab thing might be ambitious (and not work out to be a decent product), but I'm hoping it is a good, working product. The JOBO is just a little spendy for me, and I could benefit from more automation in film processing.

Therefore, I want to thank Huss for being a backer. It wouldn't even be an ambitious dream right now if it weren't for the backers.
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