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Isn't waiting the nicest thing?
Old 09-16-2018   #1
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Isn't waiting the nicest thing?

In the last year I shot almost exclusively digital. Yes, shooting the M10 is very similar to shoot the M7!

Recently I wanted to see how my Summaron 28/5.6 works on film, so I took the M7 with this lens on and went for a short road trip (very short but an interesting area along the road) and shoot a few B&W films.

I also took opportunity to shoot a color film with the Summaron, just to see how light and colours work with this lens when shooting film.
Back home now but no time to develop (and scan) or time to go to my pro lab to drop the films. It will take a couple of weeks before I can do it.

Meantime I think, I try to remember what I shoot, I imagine how it all went.
Was the framing of the road under the trees shot with the right exposure? Did I frame in the correct way that old car covered by blanchets under a tree? and that few frames I tried against the light will be as desired with a special glow?

Maybe yes, maybe not. But I had forgotten this waiting time between the shot and the results...and I like it!

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PS: of course I know that for a pro photographer it is very different
PS Nį 2: maybe I could be candidate for an MD...
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There is nothing like receiving surprise gifts!
Film has inherent qualities and faults.
Digital basically has no character, but very workable files..
Film is used more carefully!
Even when I only had film for assignments, i was loath to shoot tons of film.
I even went to Medium format because the rolls were short,10~12~15 exp.
It also gave nicer contact sized prints!
Look forward to see what you did!

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I agree with you Robert. I tend to develop when I feel like it rather than straight away, so sometimes it comes as quite a surprise to see what was on the roll . I have one roll of Kodachrome where I missed the Sammy's deadline, so now it sits forlornly as a mystery from at least 30 years ago!
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Thatís nothing, shoot film for a lifetime and only print the easiest ones that donít take a lot of darkroom magic. Now fast forward up to half a century when you have the ability via scanning and software to get a decent image from the ones you skipped. Iím finding some gems that were beyond my printing ability using old school graded paper techniques.

During the seventies I did a lot of traveling. Six trips to India two of those around the world, all with Leica gear. After that my career shifted to oceanography and photos are from around the Pacific and at sea.

Delving into the archives can be full of surprises, especially when you realize how much things have changed. These days I sure wouldnít be wandering down dark alley ways in places like Kabul looking for photos.

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In the last year I shot almost exclusively digital. Yes, shooting the M10 is very similar to shoot the M7!

Recently I wanted to see how my Summaron 28/5.6 works on film, so I took the M7 with this lens on and went for a short road trip (very short but an interesting area along the road) and shoot a few B&W films.

I also took opportunity to shoot a color film with the Summaron, just to see how light and colours work with this lens when shooting film.
Back home now but no time to develop (and scan) or time to go to my pro lab to drop the films. It will take a couple of weeks before I can do it.

Meantime I think, I try to remember what I shoot, I imagine how it all went.
Was the framing of the road under the trees shot with the right exposure? Did I frame in the correct way that old car covered by blanchets under a tree? and that few frames I tried against the light will be as desired with a special glow?

Maybe yes, maybe not. But I had forgotten this waiting time between the shot and the results...and I like it!
I'm thinking of trying to duplicate this sort of a thing on the m240. I put a Luigi case on it and I am going to shoot without using the screen. I will see if I can be disciplined enough to not remove the memory card until I have to swap batteries. With the battery life on the m240 this could be easily a few weeks depending upon how many shots I take at a time.

Not quite the same as film but closer than how I typically use digital. I supposed if I wanted to make it closer I could swap out memory cards when I change batteries and then throw the card into the fridge for a couple of more weeks.

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It's not often I develop right after shooting. As a rule I develop on a crappy weather day and print in the winter when the days are short. I only scan the images I wish to share on the internet.

For me there is a benefit for waiting to print as I look at the images differently. Sometimes I find "keepers" that would have been discarded the first edit go around.

To Glenn's point I was doing some house cleaning and decided to get rid of my projector and trays. The trays were full of slides from 30+ years ago. It was interesting to look back at my photography from that era. Scanning them looks like a nice project for this winter.

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Robert,

It occurs to me that we take everything for granted. When each day is a gift; when each person is a gift; and when the images we make are indeed a gift, we should treat them as such.

When shooting with the studio's Hasselblad or even the wonderful Leica X1 that I carry in my bag everywhere I go, I don't even think of looking at the screen, so I don't have a problem with that, and more likely than not, I already wait awhile before processing in LR and PS so the wait for film images is a welcome anticipatory activity. It IS nice! When I develop/scan my own, and when I await the results from my buddy's lab, I enjoy the break knowing the return date is on my calendar and I can do other things. Lord knows I have plenty to do....so, yes it is Christmas-like, indeed.

When I have deadlines, of course, everything changes but with my projects, I don't have a problem with a week turnaround anyway. It is ALL good.
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Yes it is!

I have several rolls of 220 Velvia I'm sending off to Dwaynes soon--shot over the summer and recent trip to Montana. My c41 120 rolls need to be developed and I'll do that myself eventually. I too love surprises.
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Then again, I have a Polaroid back for my Nikon Fs...

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Then again, I have a Polaroid back for my Nikon Fs...

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I hate the waiting!

I only started photography when digital cameras arrived. I did have a few false starts before digital: I’d buy a film camera but get teed off with having to use an entire roll and bored waiting for development - and sell or give away the camera.

I want to see my photographs NOW not later. I happily chimp away to get the shot I want. And I’m not interested in developing my own either: no magic for me watching an image appear.

If digital cameras hadn’t been invented, I would not have becomes a photographer.

However, digital and seeing the photograph immediately changed everything for me, and I went on to do a master’s degree in photography and was taught by a Magnum photographer! Photography’s now a big part of my life, but the magic is in the photograph itself for me, not how it’s taken or the equipment used.

I do occasionally use a medium format film camera but only because Portra film gives me colours and a look impossible to get with digital (not better, just different). So I put up with the inconvenience and tedium of film.

If I couldn’t use digital cameras, I’d give up photography...!
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. . . If I couldnít use digital cameras, Iíd give up photography...!
Dear Rich,

Well, If I couldnít use cameras, Iíd give up photography. Not sure about digital.

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I don`t like the waiting either Rich although I`m learning to put up with it because I`ve finally given up on the developing.

It was a toss up which was the least of two ….

Love film cameras and love film ….. I`ve been shooting it since `62 but for most of that time it was Kodachrome .
So no development but a wait.
I wish that I felt differently and I have tried ...

Looks like that`s how its got to be in the future
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I don`t like the waiting either Rich although I`m learning to put up with it because I`ve finally given up on the developing.

It was a toss up which was the least of two ….

Love film cameras and love film ….. I`ve been shooting it since `62 but for most of that time it was Kodachrome .
So no development but a wait.
I wish that I felt differently and I have tried ...

Looks like that`s how its got to be in the future
I did try to get on with film ... several times. But always gave up because of the waiting.

I’m in my 50s, so film cameras were around for most of my life - yet I’ve only got a couple of dozen photos taken on film because using it was so annoying!

I get why others like film, but it’s not my cup of tea!

I always make prints, though, as I feel a photo isn’t “done” till it’s printed.

I will also admit to liking film cameras as objects - I’ve a few that are essentially ornaments. Bit of a shame, really, as I rebuilt them all from scratch (I’ve a Moskva that was hideously crude but which is now smooth as silk after being “blueprinted” - it actually has a roll of film in, but sadly it’s been there half used for 6 years!).
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I did try to get on with film ... several times. But always gave up because of the waiting.

Iím in my 50s, so film cameras were around for most of my life - yet Iíve only got a couple of dozen photos taken on film because using it was so annoying!

I get why others like film, but itís not my cup of tea!

I always make prints, though, as I feel a photo isnít ďdoneĒ till itís printed.

I will also admit to liking film cameras as objects - Iíve a few that are essentially ornaments. Bit of a shame, really, as I rebuilt them all from scratch (Iíve a Moskva that was hideously crude but which is now smooth as silk after being ďblueprintedĒ - it actually has a roll of film in, but sadly itís been there half used for 6 years!).
I hear you Rich but when are we going to get around to that negative space exercise
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When film was all I had to work with, I'd go out on a session and process the negatives as soon as I returned home. Every time, unless I was traveling. Because seeing what you did, immediately after doing it, is the most effective way to learn what you did right or wrong.

I do the same thing with digital capture. I do my session, then review what I did immediately. I may not finish rendering everything for months, but I always want to know what I did right and wrong while the session is still clear in my memory.

The notion of savoring the time between when I did the session and process the negs, trying to remember what I did, makes no sense to me. I'm busy when I'm not making photographs, with other things, and will forget what I did. There's nothing like having immediate feedback.

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Hi LynnB,
All is not lost with Kodachrome.
Wiki has a nice brief run down of the steps needed to process it yourself.
You can also develop it to black and white as the first developer is a normal PQ developer.
Just like Cibachrome really.
Or again you could leave it on the shelf with all the other historic processes.
I have a roll too but not even exposed.
I figure that after the digital wave dies down we will all return to film and Kodak will enjoy a revival.
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Maybe yes, maybe not. But I had forgotten this waiting time between the shot and the results...and I like it!

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Well, don't chimp and store the M10's memory card in a safe place for 1-3 weeks before transferring the images, and, or files to your computer.
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I feel very strongly both ways. With traditional B&W films, I think the wait encourages me to look upon the finished prints (when I finally do develop and print the negatives) in a fresh way, as if I'm seeing the scene for the very first time. It keeps me surprised and not in a rut.


And there is always the Fuji Instax system for those times I don't have time for the wait!
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I don't mind the wait. They drilled that into us in the military. But I do tend to forget when and where I took certain photos, so I've been taking notes as I shoot, just not recording the exposure data though.


Even when I'm using my digital cams, after first setting it up, and getting a test shot, I don't look at the captured image unless I think I made a composition mistake, or I've had to make a setting change.


Now that I have to send off the film for developing, I tend to forget to do that in a timely fashion, so it's even longer before I see the finished output.


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Take your digital camera; shoot some pics; don't look at the shots for as long as you like. Same 'waiting' satisfaction. Try it. Cheers, Peter
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"Unlearning" digital photography-related habits is the first hurdle of getting back to film photography and what has held me back from doing much of it.

The last few weeks I finally started shooting a lot of it again, primarily because the lab I found that has a great processing and scanning protocol as I have even less patience or desire to keep the needed chemicals on-hand (or expose myself to them for that matter) and scanning is a time intensive PITA to be perfectly honest. The best case scenario for me is to send the rolls (color and B&W) to the lab (I'm in Texas, the lab is in California) and receive a zip file with all the DNG scans several days later that I can then open in Adobe camera raw and process to my heart's desire.

Chimping while out shooting, rushing home to get the card plugged in and files downloaded and spending the next 2-4 hours processing everything, that all stops when shooting film. It's actually kinda nice just thinking about the process, pressing the shutter release and going on to the next shot without trying to get that perfect capture in the moment, and when I got home, instead of spending the next several hours in front of the screen looking at and processing what I just shot, I did some other things I needed to be doing.

There's now a stream of work going on between me and the lab. Some stuff there, some in the process of getting there, the shooting I am actually doing, and then there's the enjoyment of the cameras I'm using to do all the shooting, an M4 and M6 with all the lenses I've been using with the digital bodies, and the various films I am now in the process of learning the best way to shoot.
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I guess my problem, if you want to call it that, is that I always do all my own processing. I don't send anything out, ever. So I process my negatives immediately and am sure that I got what I wanted. I might not do anything with those negatives for a while, but I read negatives very well and don't need to finish a rendering immediately to know what I have.

I do the same thing with my digital work: I check the images immediately and am thus certain I have what I wanted. I might then not actually render them to finished form for some time, often months or even years.

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Robert,

Thanks for starting this thread. I cherished that aspect of shooting film as well when I have gone back to shooting film. It changes the way I think or at least feel about the whole process.

As recently as this week, I pulled files off of a camera only to discovered that I had some un-examined ones on the card to play with and this reminded me of finding an exposed but unprocessed roll.

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Many interesting answers, thank you all!

Indeed it is one of the nice things of RFF, different ideas and opinions live together under the same roof respecting each other, great.

Of course I understand when someone works on a project desires, in some cases needs to see and evaluate soon his work. In order to improve it or change if something is going wrong. And waiting is not the nicest thing!

As it's logic we have other things to do in our lives than waiting and thinking about our photos

I sometimes, as someone here suggested do not download my cards soon (usually because busy/lazy) and wait a few days to do it.

And even when I shoot Polaroid/Impossible that few minutes during which the photo develops are...the nicest

We all have different habits, needs, expectations in way to use our camera and this multiplicity is one of the nice things in photography.

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It is fun when you find that how lazy you are about processing, waiting until a goodly number of rolls were stacking up, and family asking "when?" is really a discipline, something to be proud of.
Since I only process B&W but shoot c41 occasionally, rolls of color really stack up, since I have to spend real money getting them processed.
So when I got back 13 rolls processed & scanned (thanks Precision) myself and the family were really happily surprised at the forgotten "Kodak Moments"
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I like to operate like Winogrand. No developing/processing images (film or digital) right after they are shot. I'm able to have a much better critical eye when I am separated from the time of shooting. Fortunately, I'm not as prolific a shooter so I can fit all of my undeveloped film in a few small ziplock bags instead of taking up the whole deep freezer.
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Thatís nothing, shoot film for a lifetime and only print the easiest ones that donít take a lot of darkroom magic. Now fast forward up to half a century when you have the ability via scanning and software to get a decent image from the ones you skipped. Iím finding some gems that were beyond my printing ability using old school graded paper techniques.
I've had the exact same experience. My wet printing skills are basic.
But I've found some negs that were transformed when I scanned them as I was able to pull out the detail and tones that I wanted.
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Maybe yes, maybe not. But I had forgotten this waiting time between the shot and the results...and I like it!
Next time you shoot digital, when you get home, put your SD card in a drawer for a couple of weeks and experience the same anticipation.
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Next time you shoot digital, when you get home, put your SD card in a drawer for a couple of weeks and experience the same anticipation.
Thanks for suggestion, I already do it sometimes, read line 5 in post 30

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Waiting here patiently, to see your latest film results!
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Waiting here patiently, to see your latest film results!
My lab should give me film stripes and contacts next friday. But than I have to look, select and scan the ones I think are valid...more waiting, Dave you need to be patient be patient

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Robert,
I like the waiting too. Film is fascinating in many ways!
But there are also other differences pro and con
For example another pro is the simplicity of film cameras
However, once the waiting is over I have experienced some nice surprises but more often delusions with my results. I prefer the possibility of checking (and possibly trying again) right away.
Another syndrome: sometimes inspiration dries and I leave the same roll in the camera for many months. Other times I have experienced just the opposite: being in fantastic place and getting out of film, thus loosing the best opportunities. This in unlikely to happen to me with digital (with some spare batteries and cards)
Finally there is the pain of the trip to a lab.
Overall now that I am aged, I fell more relaxed shooting digital
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