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Which viewfinder on top 35mm cameras?
Old 09-23-2018   #1
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Which viewfinder on top 35mm cameras?

Which one would you recommend? I think i would like to shoot like this but i do wonder about a few things: how do you focus correctly? Can you shoot in rain? Doesnt really seem like it.
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Old 09-23-2018   #2
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Which one would you recommend? I think i would like to shoot like this but i do wonder about a few things: how do you focus correctly? Can you shoot in rain? Doesnt really seem like it.
Which cameras are you suggesting we provide a choice between?

How are you suggesting you would like to shoot like?

What focusing methodology is linked to whatever camera/viewfinder type you are referring to ... ??

With any camera, you can shoot in the rain by taking proper care. Why do you ask the question if you've already judged that it can't work...?
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Which cameras are you suggesting we provide a choice between?

How are you suggesting you would like to shoot like?

What focusing methodology is linked to whatever camera/viewfinder type you are referring to ... ??

With any camera, you can shoot in the rain by taking proper care. Why do you ask the question if you've already judged that it can't work...?
Have you even read what i wrote? Do you reply to everyone like this? Dont be an asshole, its self-explanatory and obvious i am asking other forum users (excluding yourself of course).
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Old 09-23-2018   #4
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Old 09-23-2018   #5
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Remember English may not be a primary language for some.
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Old 09-23-2018   #6
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Canon F5, imported to the US as an Olympus K1000 would be a good place to start.
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Old 09-23-2018   #7
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More assholes, thats just great, haha
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Remember English may not be a primary language for some.
English is actually my fourth language but still, only a Trump voting asshole who wants to build walls would be snarky about it..
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Old 09-23-2018   #9
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Yeah, and good manners and civility may not be within this person's primary language either!
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Old 09-23-2018   #10
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Yeah, and good manners and civility may not be within this person's primary language either!
Oh give me a break, I asked a simple question like millions of others do and I get a snarky reply like this? Now you’re crying about it? Getouttahere..
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Old 09-23-2018   #11
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Have you even read what i wrote? Do you reply to everyone like this? Dont be an asshole, its self-explanatory and obvious i am asking other forum users (excluding yourself of course).
I have read what you wrote and unfortunately it's not particularly self-explanatory.

You're asking gear advice but haven't said what you would like to do with it. What's it for?

What kind of 35mm camera are you talking about? For instance, rangefinder or SLR? Different 35mm cameras have very different viewfinders.

What kind of focussing are you talking about? For instance, manual focus or autofocus.

It's impossible to say whether you can shoot in rain without knowing the camera. Some are weather-sealed, some aren't. As someone pointed out, you can shoot any camera in the rain if you take appropriate care.
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I'm testing the Agfa Selectronic S at the moment.
Feels very solid, but not too heavy weight, nice.

There are 2 versions: a rangefinder or a viewfinder.

Alas, it's not 35mm, but 45mm..... sometimes you have to make compromises !
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Old 09-24-2018   #14
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1/ how do you focus correctly?
2/Can you shoot in rain?
1/ with the focus ring if it's a RF, if it's a VF just point and shoot or turn the zone focus and guess to get it focused right.
I used to shoot with a Lomo LC-A for long time, zonal focus, not always sharp where I needed it, but nice to play with.

2/ You can just shoot in any condition, but in rain, your camera will get wet... but that doesn't change when you're shooting a viewfinder, RF, P&S, SLR or DSLR,... it always gets wet when it rains. Try to stand under a roof somewhere, the end of a tunnel, door entrances...
Or if anyone has a small umbrella to slip into the hotshoe of your camera?
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Which one would you recommend?
Nikon F2 with a waist-level viewfinder.


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Yeah, and good manners and civility may not be within this person's primary language either!

+1 Not only good manners, but ability to state a clear question, independent of language ability. BTW, OP is fluent enough in Ennglish to know the word asshole.
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Opps, I landed in the Tourette forum?

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Old 09-24-2018   #18
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To the OP.
I’m also struggling to understand your question. It’s hard to tell exactly what information you are seeking.
A little information about what cameras you are using now would be helpful.
A second question, are you looking for a fixed lens camera or one with interchangeable lenses.
As far as focusing in the rain, unless droplets are obscuring the viewfinder, you would focus just as you would in dry conditions. The main problem in wet weather would be keeping the camera dry. Water can easily damage precision cameras.
Finally, there is absolutely no need for foul language on this forum.
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The OP has let on in earlier posts that he has an M6. Maybe he needs a camera to get wet and is asking which one it best, viewfinder/rangefinder-wise.
Nikonos?
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i think he’s asking about accessory viewfinders.
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Old 09-24-2018   #21
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+1 Not only good manners, but ability to state a clear question, independent of language ability. BTW, OP is fluent enough in Ennglish to know the word asshole.

That is not an English word*... Perhaps it is an Americanism?


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Which one would you recommend? I think i would like to shoot like this but i do wonder about a few things: how do you focus correctly? Can you shoot in rain? Doesnt really seem like it.
Your question is vague, but if you are asking about using shoe mount accessory finders on rangefinder cameras (like the one below), you would only need/want one if the built in finder isn't suitable for the lens you have, or if the camera has no built in finder (Leica I, Voigtlander Bessa T and Bessa L) .
For example the built in finder on the Zorki 4 below is designed for a 50mm lens, so when using a 35mm you need an accessory finder that shows the 35mm FOV. In use, you focus with the built in rangefinder, then compose with the accessory finder.

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Papo, I'm reading this as you are asking about what style of finder to use.



First off, you can get either a finder dedicated to one focal length, or one that has multiple focal lengths.


The dedicated ones are simple, and compact, but need to be changed when you change lenses. They come in cylindrical or bullet style, and an Albada type which can fold up.



The multi-focal ones come in three styles: turret, multi frame, and zoom.



The turret finder is like a bunch of dedicated finders in one package, and you rotate into view the one you need for whatever focal length you are using. They're kind of bulky, with not a very large eyepiece.



The multi-frame is a cross between a turret, and a zoom finder, as it usually has one optic with select-able frames to show the different FOV view for each focal length. Biggest drawback is the image stays the same size, with some models actually reducing the image size shown (by cropping) instead of just projecting frame lines. It's usually just as big as a turret finder.



A zoom finder will actually change the image size as you select your focal length. They are sometimes more compact than the turret or multi-frame finders, but because of their construction were more expensive, and continue to be because not many manufacturers made them. Nikon seems to be the one that most prefer of this type, but Tewe made an almost exact copy that costs less on average.
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. . . Nikon seems to be the one that most prefer of this type, but Tewe made an almost exact copy that costs less on average.
Which was the copy? I traced the Tewe back to 1952 (BJP Almanac 1953).

They're so similar that I wonder if the Nikon wasn't licensed (or conceivably just ripped off) from Tewe.

To the OP: what camera? What focal length(s)? And what difference does rain make? As someone else said, everything can get wet in the rain. You focus with the RF and then switch to the VF for framing.

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Which was the copy? I traced the Tewe back to 1952 (BJP Almanac 1953).

They're so similar that I wonder if the Nikon wasn't licensed (or conceivably just ripped off) from Tewe.

To the OP: what camera? What focal length(s)? And what difference does rain make? As someone else said, everything can get wet in the rain. You focus with the RF and then switch to the VF for framing.

Cheers,

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Now that you mention it...

I couldn't find what year my Zoomfinder came out, but the book I referenced (by Peter Braczko) shows two different designs, and one of them looks just like the Tewe, Roger. I'll have to dig further (moving things around in here, so everything is either in a box, or a pile).

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Wow! I like the Tewe finder,one size fits all.No more lugging 3 or four finders around.
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I recommend the one that goes on top of the camera.
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Nikonos?

Takes care of the rain part, and the 35mm part.
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I recommend the one that goes on top of the camera.
But what if he's shooting a Rollei 35?
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Have you even read what i wrote? Do you reply to everyone like this? Dont be an asshole, its self-explanatory and obvious i am asking other forum users (excluding yourself of course).
I guess it's really not important to try to help clarify this person's questions after all.

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I guess it's really not important to try to help clarify this person's questions after all.

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He certainly doesn't seem to want help badly enough to clarify what he's asking for. Maybe he'd be better off in a mind-reading forum.

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Now that you mention it...

I couldn't find what year my Zoomfinder came out, but the book I referenced (by Peter Braczko) shows two different designs, and one of them looks just like the Tewe, Roger. I'll have to dig further (moving things around in here, so everything is either in a box, or a pile).

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Without a moment's disrespect to Nikon, in 1952 I'd back the likelihood of a Japanese copy of a German design against the likelihood of a German copy of a Japanese design.

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