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Old 08-24-2018   #1
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Need info 1935 Hektor lens ser#250544, Mr. Lagar has never seen these engravings. We know meaning of engraving.
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Old 08-24-2018   #2
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Well about 5 seconds of Googling got me the answer -- NSDAP is the Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiter-Partei. Hauptarchiv means 'master/main archive'. So basically the Nazi party master/main archive.

I guess this lens was the property of the headquarters of the Nazi party in Munich? At least that's the way I'm reading it.
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Old 08-24-2018   #3
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A lot depends on the price. A good rule of thumb is that when lenses like this turn up cheap, they're likely to be genuine, and if they're being offered at a high price, they're probably fakes.

On the other hand, it seems an odd lens to use as the basis for a fake -- though maybe that's a double blind...

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mr.lupo we know the meaning of the engraving,we are looking for who engraved it and to what person.i would think it was a proud member of the n.s.d.a.p.from 1935 to around early 40's.we know hoffman was adolph's official photographer and he liked and used leicas.still searching.thank you for your help
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mr.lupo we know the meaning of the engraving,we are looking for who engraved it and to what person.i would think it was a proud member of the n.s.d.a.p.from 1935 to around early 40's.we know hoffman was adolph's official photographer and he liked and used leicas.still searching.thank you for your help
Yeah I'd have no clue who would have engraved it - actually I'd be interested to know who engraved the 'Luftwaffen-Eigentum' on all the camera bodies and lenses, as well as 'Heer' and any other identifying marks of the Wehrmacht.

Luigi Cane might be a good source to consult, or Lars Netopil.
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I’d start by checking the serial number for the date of manufacture.
Then I would check to see if that archive actually existed.
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Old 10-09-2018   #7
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Came across this old thread and for the heck of it I googled Hauptarchiv der NSDAP, München.

That translates to:
Central Archive of the NSDAP, Munich (Germany)

Well, it turns out this was an actual organization that was responsible for documenting the party (NSDAP), so it would make sense that they would have camera equipment. The NSADP aka Nazi Party was founded in Munich, so that fits.

The serial number checks out for 1935 / 236 001 - 284 600, which places it within the correct time period.

This is what my google search found:
https://portal.ehri-project.eu/units/de-002429-ns_26

Biographical History
1934 in München eingerichtet zur Dokumentation der Geschichte der NSDAP und der angeschlossenen Gliederungen sowie deren Vorläufer in der Völkischen Bewegung unter Übernahme der Materialsammlung der Reichspropagandaleitung und des ebenfalls dort eingegliederten Pressearchivs der NSDAP. Als Auskunftsstelle für alle Partei- und staatlichen Dienststellen wurden neben Bibliotheksbeständen, Zeitschriften- und Bildsammlungen Akten von Parteiorganen und Behörden verwahrt, sowie Erlebnisberichte, private Sammlungen, Schrift- und Druckgut aufgelöster und verbotener Parteien und Organisationen.

1929 war von der NSDAP die Sammlung Rehse als Archiv für Zeitgeschichte und Publizistik erworben worden. Diese war als Parteidienststelle dem Reichsschatzmeister unterstellt und bestand unabhängig vom Hauptarchiv als parteioffiziöses Archiv.


I'm too tired to translate by hand, so here is the Google translate, which is pretty accurate:

Biographical History
1934 in Munich furnished for the documentation of the history of the NSDAP and the affiliated divisions as well as their predecessors in the Völkisch movement under assumption of the material collection of the Reichspropagatteneitung and the likewise incorporated there press archive of the NSDAP. As an information point for all party and state departments, library files, magazine and picture collections were kept by party organs and authorities, as well as experience reports, private collections, written and printed material of disbanded and banned parties and organizations.

In 1929, the NSDAP had acquired the Rehse Collection as an archive for contemporary history and journalism. This was subordinated to the Reich treasurer as a party service and existed independently of the main archive as party-official archive.


Is it real? I have no idea. The organization existed and the serial number dates it to the correct period.

But it would be an oddball forgery. Usually it's Wehrmacht, Luftwaffe, Heer, Kriegsmarine, SS etc. that gets forged.

I'm a bit of a WW2 buff and never even heard of this organization, but considering how obsessed the Nazis were with documenting everything it makes total sense that something like it would have existed. And of course an organization like this would have need camera equipment.

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hitler and his personal photographer heinrich hoffman were both members of n.s.d.a.p hoffman used leicas for his shoots of hitler's groups and military meetings interesting history of leicas and n.s.d.a.p lens goes on auction at tamarkin nov. 17
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If that lens was gold plated and fancy jewel encrusted then it could have belonged to Hermann Göring.
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well after a lot of research still nobody has seen this engraving on any leicas since i understand that hektor was at the lower end of lenses.maybe it was just somebody who joined the party and had it engraved for himself.
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The Hektor 28mm certainly wasn't at the lower end of lenses, it is desirable and collectable and was expensive back when it was manufactured too. And it was only made in small numbers.

The Hektor tele lens otoh wasn't that special so you may have confused those. Don't just look at the name, look at the name combined with the focal length too.
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Why would they engrave it in the first place?
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Why would they engrave it in the first place?
To signal ownership, why else would people engrave cameras with their names or Social Security numbers, it's the same thing.
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To signal ownership, why else would people engrave cameras with their names or Social Security numbers, it's the same thing.
You wouldn't think it necessary.
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anyway i'm still inquiring about archives in vienna at leicapark ,also other agencies searching.this can't be one of a kind.
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