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Business / Philosophy of Photography Taking pics is one thing, but understanding why we take them, what they mean, what they are best used for, how they effect our reality -- all of these and more are important issues of the Philosophy of Photography. One of the best authors on the subject is Susan Sontag in her book "On Photography."

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Old 12-05-2011   #41
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I always liked the 60 macro elmarit R for it's oof,



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Old 12-05-2011   #42
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I'm after a Bokeh that causes spontaneous human combustion if you look at anything that is not in focus.



I'm always amazed at how polarizing these Bokeh discussions are. It's like some are personally insulted that others "dare to like it". And when someone gives a "quit doing that, it bothers me"... Like telling your Kid brother to quit poking you.
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Old 12-05-2011   #43
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I'm after a Bokeh that causes spontaneous human combustion if you look at anything that is not in focus.
But NOTHING is in focus ??? !!!

(very pretty picture...)

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Old 12-05-2011   #44
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Like telling your Kid brother to quit poking you.
Your mother wears army boots if you don't agree with me!
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Old 12-05-2011   #46
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But NOTHING is in focus ??? !!!

(very pretty picture...)
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Boom. Success.
lol

nothing's in focus in this photo (damn wind), but i somehow like it too... i'm undecided about how much i like this lens' bokeh, though.


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This was done on purpose for a cigar poster Ad I shot a few years back

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Old 12-05-2011   #48
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Who says bokeh has to be smooth and creamy? I deliberately choose a Canon 50/0.95 for this portrait knowing that the highlights would totally weird out on me. My friend loves this picture, mainly because of the crazy bokeh. If she's happy, then I'm happy. Pic taken wide-open at 0.95.



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I really like this pic. I have it in my favorites from when you cirst posted it in the gallery. I think Bokeh can add to a photo but it is a condiment not the main dish.

Off topic, I'm glad we're back online. I miss these discussions.
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Old 12-05-2011   #49
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I dont mind some things a bit out of focus.


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Your mother wears army boots if you don't agree with me!
I told Nina to get a Black Cat with White Bib and Paws. That way the green eyes will be in focus, black and white surrounding, and then color out of focus background.
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$THING exists.
$THING becomes popular.
It's fashionable for sophisticates to like $THING.
It's fashionable for meta-sophisticates to hate $THING.
$THING is now something people argue about.
Meanwhile, $THING exists, same as before.
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Old 12-05-2011   #52
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I am sure that some psychologist will read this thread, make a series of photographs like this:






Sonnar190_grass_f15 by zeiss_sonnar, on Flickr


Sonnar190_grass_f4 by zeiss_sonnar, on Flickr

and do a personality profile based on which image the subject likes best.

Oh yes, what we have here is an F4 type personality...

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Old 12-05-2011   #53
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Brian, I really like the last one.
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some shots taken with lenses regarded as having crazy bokeh but showing that they can be used in a way as to draw attention to the focus spot (at least it does to me)


this umbrella has ceased to be by Marcelo Colmenero, on Flickr


edu by Marcelo Colmenero, on Flickr


txt by Marcelo Colmenero, on Flickr


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Who says bokeh has to be smooth and creamy? I deliberately choose a Canon 50/0.95 for this portrait knowing that the highlights would totally weird out on me. My friend loves this picture, mainly because of the crazy bokeh. If she's happy, then I'm happy. Pic taken wide-open at 0.95.



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I need a different model...

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Old 12-05-2011   #56
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The closest thing I can find to Bag Bokeh...

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Old 12-05-2011   #57
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I dunno, I think the freaky bokeh really adds something here....


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It's not about the bokeh. It's about the hair.
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Brian, I really like the last one.
Thankyou. My neighbor is holding off cutting the grass because I take pictures of it.



Give me a head of Hair, Long, Beautiful Hair...




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Bokeh. Just for bokeh's sake. And to annoy back alley a little more.



(This is the most bokeh-ey I could come up with, without crawling through gigabytes of stored pictures.)
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Old 12-06-2011   #62
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I have found that, about 9 out of 10, the liking of Bokeh is proportional to the quality of their eye.
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Brown eyes or Blue eyes...
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it's time to put my foot down, I like bokeh and lots of it








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Old 12-06-2011   #65
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Bokeh kills!
That's right, for every bokeh, some little detail had to die.
So please, for the sake of all the little details,
"JUST SAY NO WAY TO BOKEH."
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Old 12-06-2011   #66
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Please join me, brothers and sisters, in a unified stand against Bokeh and the harm its done to all the poor little details.

Please join APAB(angry photographers against bokeh) today.
Together we have a fighting chance to beat this scourge on society. We can and we must put bokeh behind bars, behind fences and in the background once again.
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Old 12-06-2011   #67
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Don't be a blurry fuzzy bokeh boy. Sharpen up.
If God hadn't wanted you to shoot sharp, he wouldn't have given lenses aperture blades.
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I'm speaking as someone who normally runs a mile when the B-word comes out (I think there is one picture on my Flickr where I mention it, and that's because a Trip 35 stopped down gives hilarious bad bokeh).

However, I'm rather enjoying this thread. I can't say that I'm converted, I'm not going to rush out and buy a lens as a result (though a few of Brian's wide open shots are pretty damn lovely), but it's mostly quite good fun. There are not too many heads stuck where they really shouldn't be yet.

I'm a little concerned about people buying lenses specifically for cat photographs, though. I can't quite imagine that. Are you sure that the euphemism being used really meant cat? I can just about see at a pinch that that might be a reason to buy a lens (though it might be a better reason just to buy a seperate memory card!).

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Did someone say bokeh?


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and of course, it turns into another bokeh freak thread... hahaha.
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Some people like duck a l'orange (i.e. bokeh), others like macaroni and cheese (i.e. "sharpness")

Going on and on about how duck a l'orange isn't like macaroni and cheese shows more lack of understanding about duck a l'orange than about understanding macaroni and cheese. I believe you just have either when you feel like it.

Just sayin'
hmm.... I go with the mashed potatoes and gravy. One needs both to be good for a successful meal. Each can be evaluated on its own merit, and one can have several successful flavors, but only when all parts *work/fit-together* one has pleasing results.

(P.S. I do not eat gravy, but I thought most folks will like the analogy --- perhaps think popcorn and butter)
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Please join me, brothers and sisters, in a unified stand against Bokeh and the harm its done to all the poor little details.

Please join APAB(angry photographers against bokeh) today.
Together we have a fighting chance to beat this scourge on society. We can and we must put bokeh behind bars, behind fences and in the background once again.
Funny! And good luck with this one... not all images work well with everything in focus. Several examples already posted here. But, APAB is a funny one!
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Why do these threads always show either infinite or 1cm DOF ?

The real treats are in between ... like this:







Enough details for context, nice 3d rendering of subject. Wouldn't be the same at f8 or above ....
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shooting a picture to produce MAXIMUM BOKEH : probably not very good
having bokeh in a picture incidentally : probably alright
having a gentle, graduated transition to OoF : potentially amazing
How does this work? You decide, when looking at photography, whether or not the photographer had enough light to use a smaller aperture? That's how you assess whether the intent was to "produce maximum bokeh" versus grabbing enough light to eliminate shake?

"bokeh in a picture incidentally?" So, your assessment also factors in what focal length was used?

In my mind, all of these 'rules' are ridiculous. A picture works (for you) or it doesn't. Some people can make great photographs using "maximum bokeh" and some people can't. Some people can do it well most of the time, and some only some of the time. I don't get the point of EVER saying "bokeh isn't important." It obviously is — but just like 'sharpness' — how important depends on the individual image.

If you only look at Ansel Adams-ish landscapes, the frequency with which you notice bokeh will be... infrequent. But, should you accidentally encounter a Peter Lindbergh photograph, don't you have to react to the context? Anyone with only one set of rules to apply to all situations is a sad and frightening person.
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Please join me, brothers and sisters, in a unified stand against Bokeh and the harm its done to all the poor little details.

Please join APAB(angry photographers against bokeh) today.
Together we have a fighting chance to beat this scourge on society. We can and we must put bokeh behind bars, behind fences and in the background once again.
Jack, Jack, Jack.

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Is a high end P&S more suited for this

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Please join me, brothers and sisters, in a unified stand against Bokeh and the harm its done to all the poor little details.

Please join APAB(angry photographers against bokeh) today.
Together we have a fighting chance to beat this scourge on society. We can and we must put bokeh behind bars, behind fences and in the background once again.
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hmm.... I go with the mashed potatoes and gravy. One needs both to be good for a successful meal. Each can be evaluated on its own merit, and one can have several successful flavors, but only when all parts *work/fit-together* one has pleasing results.

(P.S. I do not eat gravy, but I thought most folks will like the analogy --- perhaps think popcorn and butter)
Isn't this the point? That there are some things so disgusting that no sane person goes out of their way to look for them? Or that at most, they put up with them when they have to?

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No one mentioned anything about having to be sane.

Look at how much time people around here spend on the Internet.
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