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Old 06-06-2018   #201
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Love the look this lens produces... Question for the knowledgeable among us - Is this lens the same optical formula as the F-mount 50mm f2 nikkor? Or similar?
Similar in that both -H designated lenses have 6-element designs, but different optical formulae. This Nikon webpage has a nice history of the rangefinder S- and L-mount lenses, including a lens diagram:
http://imaging.nikon.com/history/story/0034/index.htm

Nico van Dijk's wonderful web resource has a diagram of the F-mount version:
https://www.mir.com.my/rb/photograph...kor/index1.htm
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They are very different. The shortest focal length SLR lens to share any formulation is the 8.5cm Nikkor but it was still changed drastically. The one that is really similar is the 10.5cm f/2.5 Nikkor. I think this is the P version. Nikon saw that only a minor tweak was necessary to allow the rear element to clear the SLR mirror so the design between the early 105mm (or 10.5cm whichever you call them) RF and SLR lenses is very similar.

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And if those Nikkor letter designations are Greek to you, it's because they are! The rest are Latin, which I also can't read. Taken from the above linked MIR webpage:

U Unus (Latin) = 1 lens element
B Bini (Latin) = 2 elements
T Tres (Latin) = 3 elements
Q Quattuor (Latin) = 4 elements
P Pente (Greek) = 5 elements
H Hex (Greek) = 6 elements
S Septem (Latin) = 7 elements
O Oct (Latin) = 8 elements
N Novem (Latin) = 9 elements
D Decem (Latin) = 10 elements

NOTE:- In the 1970's Nikon stops using these letters as well as the ‘C’ (in white, black or red), indicating that the particular lens has coated surfaces.
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The Nikkor-H appears to have a slightly different coating compared to the Nikkor-HC. Serial numbers are pretty close.
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The Nikkor-H appears to have a slightly different coating compared to the Nikkor-HC. Serial numbers are pretty close.

The dropping of the red C and slightly different coating are just coincidental. Nikon made lots of incremental changes to this lens over the course of production, for example, the optical formula was tweaked around 20 times to match the type of glasses available. Coatings got incremental updates too, as did the barrel design.
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NOTE:- In the 1970's Nikon stops using these letters as well as the ‘C’ (in white, black or red), indicating that the particular lens has coated surfaces.
That happened twice. Once in the late 1950s, when Nikon dropped the red "C", because all lenses were single coated by then.

Nikon restarted using the "C" when they started multi coating lenses, and dropped it again in the 1970's, because all lenses were multi coated by then.
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That happened twice. Once in the late 1950s, when Nikon dropped the red "C", because all lenses were single coated by then.

Nikon restarted using the "C" when they started multi coating lenses, and dropped it again in the 1970's, because all lenses were multi coated by then.
So many changes to keep track of, make you "C" red. Now you "C" it, now you don't...
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So many changes to keep track of, make you "C" red. Now you "C" it, now you don't...
I "C" you're on fire tonight. 座布団一枚!
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Thank you, Helen.
I overdeveloped the Double-X a bit, I think.

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Thanks,

I have about another 50 similar shots with this combination left to post-process. Will post a couple more when I get round to it
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Just recently rediscovered this lens after it was sitting in my camera shelf for about a year. When i first got it, i thought it was naturally soft and glowy wide open. But this time around, i was lucky to accidentally shine some light through the lens in the correct angle, as i was about to mount it on a digital camera. I noticed what i thought was haze. Turns out the back element had some kind of super clear oil or grease. I cleaned it carefully, and to my surprise, it was taking excellent, clear, sharp images hahaha.
I am in love with this lens at the moment. It is so compact and well built. And the added bonus of easily focusing up to 0.45m on a digital body makes this a seriously versatile lens.

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I recently got re-acquainted with my Nikkor as well, it's a great lens.

Leica M5, Nikkor-H.C 5cm f/2, ORWO N74+, developed in LegacyPro L110 at 1:31 for 6.5 minutes.


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Old 06-05-2019   #224
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I really love this lens, very compact, beautifully made in quality, quite sharp as Sonnar type lens, 46cm (1.5 ft) minimum close focus. Very impressed!!

Just received 3 days ago. New to me, old for someone.

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Wonderful images guys!
This is seriously a nice lens to have for any occasion. A friend of mine traveled recently and used someone's Nikkor 50/1.4 LTM. Keeps trying to tempt me for the extra step but I'm fighting the urge since its nearly exactly the same lens. Same focus distance and everything haha. I am quite happy only having the f2 version. If i ever have money to spare, i might try the f1.4 lol
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On a side note...

Does anyone know how these lenses were marketed and used back in the 50's when they were produced? Since most cameras of the day only had focusing capabilities of 1 meter, how did they use it for close focusing? Was there an accessory for it? Or did the photographer just have to stop down the lens and measure the distance to get the correct focus?
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On a side note...

Does anyone know how these lenses were marketed and used back in the 50's when they were produced? Since most cameras of the day only had focusing capabilities of 1 meter, how did they use it for close focusing? Was there an accessory for it? Or did the photographer just have to stop down the lens and measure the distance to get the correct focus?
Most of the 5cm LTM Nikkor lenses came on the Nicca and the Sears Nicca made Tower 35mm precision cameras. I have Nicca/Tower cameras that came with the f2 or f1.4 Nikkor lenses . Sears in their mid 1950s catalogue sold the LTM f2 Nikkor lens alone for $135 and its faster f1.4 cousin for $189.50. (not cheap to buy)

They also sold other LTM Nikkor lenses in the range of 35mm to 135mm

By that mid 1950s timeframe they also sold Canon LTM lenses from 25mm to 135mm.

Copystands were also sold by catalogue stores and camera shops for Leica and Leica copies and many came with tape measures. Many Japanese made versions or copies of the Leica NOOKY device for different 50mm LTM lenses were also made for close focus .
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I see.
So it was pretty much a trail and error process with a tape measure, to try to focus these Nikkor lenses down in their close focus range.
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So it was pretty much a trail and error process with a tape measure, to try to focus these Nikkor lenses down in their close focus range.
That is how it was done if you did not have an SLR camera (like Exakta Edixa Praktica etc), which were not as common or popular as RF cameras in the 1950s: place camera on copy stand, good lighting, cable release, and measure from the camera film plane mark to the object photographed, adjust lens focus, determine exposure, make exposure.

It worked out better than most people imagine these days. Other brands of 50mm lenses might need a close focus device or extension tubes to get as close as those LTM 5cm Nikkors .
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I don't know about the marketing vis-a-vis its close focusability, but these two sites have some interesting historical information about the design and development of the Nikkor-H.C 5cm f/2:
https://imaging.nikon.com/history/story/0034/index.htm
https://www.pacificrimcamera.com/pp/nikonrf50f2.htm

Perhaps Mr. Murakami was prescient about adapting his lens to digital cameras with live view.
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Yes it's astonishing how usable these lenses are nowadays with a digital camera with Live View. It is a joy to use on my A7II. They are truly a hidden inexpensive gem in rangefinder lenses.
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Yes it's astonishing how usable these lenses are nowadays with a digital camera with Live View. It is a joy to use on my A7II. They are truly a hidden inexpensive gem in rangefinder lenses.
Combined with a Voigtlander VM-E Close Focus adapter (or similar), you can get even more close focusability adapting to digital. Here's an example with an APS-C digicam.

Sony NEX-5T, Nikkor-H.C 5cm f/2, Voigtlander VM-E close focus adapter, processed with VSCOcam using the HB1 filter.


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