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Coated Summitar 5cm 142 58.92%
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Old 09-18-2011   #41
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I did an unscientific comparison last spring, shooting some peach blossoms with a 1949 coated Summitar that had been cleaned and adjusted, and a 1947 coated Elmar 50/3.5 that is in great shape. The photos were taken using an Oly E-PL1. First, the Summitar:

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Old 09-18-2011   #42
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And now, the Elmar:


Peach Blossoms Elmar by bingley0522, on Flickr

Both photos were taken at iso 160 and f 4.0.
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Old 09-19-2011   #43
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I've had both and both were excellent performers.

If I had to choose one it would be the Summitar though - simply for f2 and the fact that when changing aperture (with a hood on) I never got thumb marks on the glass.

Can't really go wrong with either though.

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Matches my opinion exactly.


My personal (uncoated) Summitar Favorite photo


And my favorite (coated) Elmar snapshot
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Old 09-20-2011   #44
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its this man's Work on flickr that FLOORS ME.... all 3 pages are w/ his SUMIITAR
OUTSTANDING ...drool

here is the Link...Enjoy !
www.flickr.com/photos/lesged/
More than the Summitar, there should be something related to the Italian eye too.. Here's another one, pls take the slide show:

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Old 09-20-2011   #46
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Thanks forThe Link of more Summitar magic,,,,BobYIL

Oh hey Pan....GREAT shots with the Elmar

Mind You ALL the shots in this Thread are Wonderful !!
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another Vote for the Summitar
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The screwmount collapsible Summicron is the best of them all.

Leica IIIg, Summicron 50mm f/2 collapsible, Tmax400.

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Erik, that is a recognizable Dutch landscape. It could be from around the corner . And I love the subtle greys here. The (collapsible, I presume) Summicron is a lens I'm still missing in 50mm LTM and photos like this one make me want to have one.
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Old 09-27-2011   #51
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Thank you, Huub. It is indeed around the corner. It is the Middelpolder, near Amstelveen.

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Old 09-27-2011   #52
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i have tried clean summitar and scared radioactive summicron.
summicron have much more detail than summitar, my copy summitar was a little bit soft.
i would love to try a elmar some day.
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I was interested in the Summitar mainly for landscape photography (inspired by Graham Battison's photos w/ a Summitar and a Leica IIIf), but I discovered it has a propensity to flare badly, and so you need to use a hood, which makes it less than a compact package. The Elmar can flare, too, but w/ the little hood that Leica made for it, it's still makes a compact kit, and sometimes the flare can be nice:

Autumn,-Carson-River by bingley0522, on Flickr
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Beautiful image Helen - gateway to Hades!

I love my 1959 Elmar 50/2.8 mated with the M2. Here with APX 100:

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I voted for the Summitar. I like the speed and the rendering. Although I would love to still own the Nickel Elmar I had once...

Here are some Summitar shots of a friends wedding on film:







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I forgot to say that my shots above are all taken at f/2, except the Bridemaids, which is around f/2.8 (weird aperture scale on the old Summitar).

Here is one more, wide open:

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Old 03-15-2012   #57
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fantastic work posted in this thread. i'm digging the old glass!
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I like the Elmar but that is egocentric. I have never owned the other but I have many great B&W pictures with my lens which I have proudly owned for almost 50 years; last year (the first):




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And I thought I'd put a fun color one in, but I'm sure the other one is just as good or even better (this one 1966):

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Elmar on screwmount bodies.

Collapsible cron on M-bodies.
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Simply love the compactness of the 5cm f3.5 LTM elmar...my friend called it "pocket rocket"...so compact on a LTM Barnack you can easily put in the your pocket and it can be extended out like a rocket launcher...



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Simply love the compactness of the 5cm f3.5 LTM elmar...my friend called it "pocket rocket"...so compact on a LTM Barnack you can easily put in the your pocket and it can be extended out like a rocket launcher...
That is true!

Right now I have have a Canon P with the large Canon 50 / 1.2 in a SLR camera back. The remaining one third of the space ist just enough to get a Zorki I with a Industar 22 (FSU Elmar copy) inside. It is a nice day & night set in a small camera bag.
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Old 03-27-2012   #62
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I've had a bunch of Leica M 50, but kept one and only one 50: the glorious Summitar.

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I succumbed and bought another Summitar (thanks Huub!), a glorious uncoated sample from 1939. This one is a keeper.


Putah Creek by bingley0522, on Flickr


Boulevard Park by bingley0522, on Flickr

Still have the Elmar 50/3.5, though. That's a keeper, too.
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I succumbed and bought another Summitar (thanks Huub!), a glorious uncoated sample from 1939. This one is a keeper.


Putah Creek by bingley0522, on Flickr


Boulevard Park by bingley0522, on Flickr

Still have the Elmar 50/3.5, though. That's a keeper, too.
Very nice Steve! Terrific lens. I'm popping mine up for sale tonight as I just don't use it much but you and others certainly show what can be done with this neat hunk of glass.
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Here's one from my M8 & Summitar 50/2.0. Some tweaking in Lightroom.

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I succumbed and bought another Summitar (thanks Huub!), a glorious uncoated sample from 1939. This one is a keeper.


Putah Creek by bingley0522, on Flickr


Boulevard Park by bingley0522, on Flickr

Still have the Elmar 50/3.5, though. That's a keeper, too.
Great to see that you put the lens to good use Steve! Excellent images of this uncoated Summitar. I'm glad you like it.
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Beautiful image Helen - gateway to Hades!

I love my 1959 Elmar 50/2.8 mated with the M2. Here with APX 100:
Just saw this ...THANKS MUCH MPerson for your Kind Comment-Hades Indeed

LOVE your shot of Him drinking soda pop ...Wonderful Candid !!
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My Summitar at f/5.6:


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I have a bunch of shots that I posted with my summitar.

Except they're posted in the classifieds (where I happen to be selling a copy of this fine lens)...just in case anyone gets a case of GAS looking at these shots. (sorry for the shameless plug)

http://www.rangefinderforum.com/phot...essories/cat/2

And in terms of raw character, I prefer my uncoated nickel elmar:

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Yossarian, that is a beautiful photo!
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So, at the risk of re-posting photos too many times, I offer this comparison of a scene at the UC Davis Arboretum that I've come to enjoy.

First, with a coated Elmar 50/3.5 from 1947:


March 4, 2012 by bingley0522, on Flickr


And then an uncoated Summitar from 1939:



April 14, 2012 by bingley0522, on Flickr
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Both lens are fine but image quality is slightly better with the Summitar.

I use both..
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Guess the poll will be win by the summitar by far....but i voted on the elmar..it´s smaller and sharper at 3.5 as the summitar...
It´s the 2nd most pocketable lens ever.
The first place would go for the 3.5cm elmar....which is the most pocketable lens ever, also always ready to shoot!!!
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You know, at the end of the day they're both wonderful lenses, if you get good samples and learn their limitations. I've seen fabulous photos from each lens, both here on RFF and over on flickr.
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I love my Summitar, I lost a bid on an Elmar the day before I purchased it, but yeah, I think if I won that auction and got an Elmar instead, I'd be equally thrilled with that. The most glaring con of the Summitar is that is so prone to flare, and that the hood to remedy it makes the lens pretty useless in terms of pocketability. I can correct the flare easily with scanned negatives, but I find getting a decent print much more of a challenge.
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Posted this the other day...1928 Elmar uncoated Neopan 400 (C41), cheap scan.

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And really, an Elmar doesn't need to be coated......
I notice that Erwin Puts agrees with you.
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