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Old 08-04-2017   #121
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I took this with my IIIc and Summitar on a film set I was working on:
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Old 08-05-2017   #122
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I refuse to live without both, the Elmar belongs to the Standard, the Summitar to the IIIc.



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Old 08-05-2017   #123
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I love both, but Elmar has the edge as it always renders in a very pleasant way. Summitar's cat's eye bokeh can be distracting sometimes.

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Since l started this thread a few year back, l have added a 5cm 3.5 Elmar and a 5cm Summar to my collection, thanks for the input and the inspirational images in this thread everyone
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This choice makes sense.

Personally, I had Summar, Summitar (coated), Summarit, all in good condition, let all of them go, but I never had Elmar (collapsible Industar does the same ).
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This choice makes sense.

Personally, I had Summar, Summitar (coated), Summarit, all in good condition, let all of them go, but I never had Elmar (collapsible Industar does the same ).

that's reminds me l have a collapsible industar too, got it very very cheap, have not gor round to using it yet
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I had owned my Elmar (coated) for a couple of months in 1964. When I broke down driving through Willows, CA and I took this picture at the repair shop. After I processed the slide (drugstore) I died because of the flare. But I still have the lens and it has never done it again. Maybe in the back of my mind I'm avoiding flare situations. I has been a great lens for me:

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John, sun is high and slightly behind you?
To me, it looks more like a light leak than flare.

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Pardon my ignorance, but what what are the optical configurations of ltm lenses? I haven't been able to find this anywhere I've looked. Design type (Tessar, Sonnar etc.) or elements/groups. Just looking at these images I'd say that Elmar and Summitar are of similar design. Thanks
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Pardon my ignorance, but what what are the optical configurations of ltm lenses? I haven't been able to find this anywhere I've looked. Design type (Tessar, Sonnar etc.) or elements/groups. Just looking at these images I'd say that Elmar and Summitar are of similar design. Thanks

Hi,

One of the best sources for older lenses are the brochures Leitz issued in the late 1930's, meaning "Leica the Camera for Modern Times" and "The Interchangeable Leica Lenses".

From memory they cover the lenses inside and outside. The books often appear on ebay and I expect someone has scanned and posted them already.

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John, sun is high and slightly behind you?
To me, it looks more like a light leak than flare.

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I've had the lens since 1964, I used it today and many thousands of times on the same IIIf since, (I still have the Leica IIIf) so for 54 years this is the only time it flared. So, I think you might be wrong.
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Pardon my ignorance, but what what are the optical configurations of ltm lenses? I haven't been able to find this anywhere I've looked. Design type (Tessar, Sonnar etc.) or elements/groups. Just looking at these images I'd say that Elmar and Summitar are of similar design. Thanks
Dennis Laney's Leica pocket books hold most of the formulas (and MTF charts)

The Elmar is a modified Tessar where the aperture is directly behind the front element instead of in the middle.

The Summitar is a 7-element double gauss derived design with a cemented front element.

The Elmar has general overall sharpness across the whole aperture range, while the the Summitar is softer at the wider apertures.
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Thanks for that Rick... !

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I refuse to live without both, the Elmar belongs to the Standard, the Summitar to the IIIc.



Simply Beautiful !
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its this man's Work on flickr that FLOORS ME.... all 3 pages are w/ his SUMIITAR
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here is the Link...Enjoy !
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I had the pleasure of meeting Lester and his wonderful wife in person some years back. I hope they’re doing well.
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Cool, Lucky You !
wish I could have been there too
Still Love lots of his photos ~
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HCB would be proud of that shot, cool, love it
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This thread is 8 years old & only 7 pages Well we’ll have to do something about that. Common everyone dig out those Summitars & Elmars.

Nicca 3S w 48 coated elmar 50:3.5.
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Lovely thread - when I finish my roll on my III with both Elmar and Summitar I may be able to do some comparisons too.
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Timely, I suppose, since I just posted this to the thread dedicated to Elmar shots. I personally don't have a Summitar for comparison, though.

Leica IIIf, Leitz Elmar 5cm f/3.5, Kodak 400TX, developed in LegacyPro L110 at 1:31 for 6.5 minutes.


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IIIc, Elmar (red scale):
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I haven't shot much with the Elmar recently, but here are a few Summitar photos from June 2018. All were taken with a Leica IIIc, a coated Summitar from 1949, and TMax 100:

Ghost Ranch by bingley0522, on Flickr

The White Place by bingley0522, on Flickr

Rio Chama by bingley0522, on Flickr
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Stowe landscape gardens with Palladian bridge and Gothic Temple taken with 1949 Summitar 50mm on Leica III with Kodak Tmax 400 developed in Tmax 1:4

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