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Old 08-26-2018   #81
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Another half year gone and no delivery time visible.
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Any idea, why CV announces lenses they can't deliver in a customer friendly time frame?
I am waiting to buy their newly released Voigtlander 110mm f2.2 Macro lens. It suppose to be available this month but it's been delayed.

Here is a quote from a website:
"July 2018

Koshina Co., Ltd.

Thank you very much for your patronage from usual day. As for ”MACRO APO–LANTHAR 110 mm f / 2.5 E – mount” now, We have announced the planned release in August 2018, but due to the production circumstances of our company, Although we are sorry indeed, we decided to postpone the release date.

Read more: http://sonyaddict.com/2018/07/30/voigtlander-macro-apo-lanthar-110mm-f-2-5-delayed/#ixzz5PJF94nWI"

I guess Cosina is very busy with scheduling all of their product lines' manufacture.
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Old 08-27-2018   #82
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I guess Cosina is very busy with scheduling all of their product lines' manufacture.
That's great for Cosina, love those news!
But they should rethink about announcing lenses before availability and not 8-12 month before...
Which seems "normal" for them the last years (i.e. my Ultron 35 VM)
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Old 09-01-2018   #83
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At least the german webpage has a release date, the 13th of September (this year, yes ). See here https://www.voigtlaender.de/objektiv...mm-112-nokton/
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I always thought that f1.2 was half a stop faster than f1.4. On you tube today on photographer was saying the 50mm f1.2 Nikkor let more light through than the canon 50mm f1.2?

Just found this, and there are other charts out there:
https://shuttermuse.com/f-stop-chart/

Seem f1.2 IS half a stop faster than f1.4. However, it can also be 1/3 of a stop. Lets hope the VC is half a stop , rather than one third. With 2 aspherical lens surfaces, and 8 elements, this is be a cutting edge lens.
I'm sure that I shall be swiftly corrected if I was not correct in saying so... but, here goes:

perhaps the photographer was talking about t-stop and not f-stop? t-stop, to my understanding is the light that is transmitted to the focal plane and not the light gathered by the front element (f-stop). When light travels through the lens elements, some of the light may be lost (?) so what might be f1.4 value of light gathered may travel and, as I say, some lost - ending up hitting the film/sensor actually a value of f1.5 etc.

Once again, take my advice with a grain of salt. I am not particularly intelligent.
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some lost - ending up hitting the film/sensor actually a value of f1.5 etc.
Well, this concerns the amount of light that passes the lens. However, I think that the quantity of light that shines through the lens is not the main reason of existence of fast lenses: that is rather the small depth of field that the photographer can use as an expression tool.

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for those not aware
the 50/1.2 is available at $1049


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Old 09-13-2018   #87
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the 50/1.2 is surprisingly light and compact compared to other fast 50's






Voigtlander 50/1.1, 50/1.2, 50/1.5, 50/1.5, 50/3.5



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Old 09-13-2018   #88
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A very attractive lens I must say. It can replace both the 50mm f/1.1 and the 50mm f/1.5.

I understand that there are two shades available for this lens, the smaller one is shown here.

Are there more pictures made with this lens available? I want to see how it handles straight lines.

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Old 09-13-2018   #89
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for those not aware
the 50/1.2 is available now for pre-order at $899
Estimated shipping date to customers Sept 13th
Looks like the price jumped from $899 to $1059 at some point over the last few days. Sigh.
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A very attractive lens I must say. It can replace both the 50mm f/1.1 and the 50mm f/1.5.

I understand that there are two shades available for this lens, the smaller one is shown here...
Yes, the smaller one looks much better then the other.
It is the LH-8 from the Nokton 1.2/35 and 1.2/40
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Old 09-14-2018   #91
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Yes, the smaller one looks much better then the other.
It is the LH-8 from the Nokton 1.2/35 and 1.2/40
The other one looks like the elusive shade of the Noctilux 50mm f/1.2. That shade was so big that the well known photographer Henri Cartier-Bresson did not want to use it. He used the quite expensive lens with neither hood nor filter.

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Not for me. I'm fussy. 50 = 1.4. Not 1.2 (not worth the cost bump), not 1.8 or slower. 1.4 = Goldilocks zone for a 50 imo. That said, I'm sure this lens is a little gem.
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I'm going to buy it.

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I'm going to buy it.
Pretty much the same. I will be buying at least one of 40/1.2 and 50/1.2. Not sure which one, not sure how soon.
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Ended up picking up a(n already used!) 40/1.2. AMAZING lens, loving it so far. I was going to wait for the 50 to compare both but I love 40mm anyway.
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I'm going to buy it.

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Correction - I bought it!

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Old 09-17-2018   #97
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I’m very tempted to upgrade my M-mount Nokton 50 1.5 to get this. Does anyone have both that could do comparison shots or anything?
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I'm out of the loop, did we like the 40/1.2 better than 35/1.2....

why or why not?

To me the attractive thing is the weight. And it looks a lot like:

Canon 50/1.2 LTM by unoh7, on Flickr
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So, for anyone who has the 50f1.1 and has purchased the 50f1.2, is the upgrade worth it? I have owned the 50f1.1 for about six months and don't use it much primarily because I don't do the available light photography which would be the lenses strong point. And I like the size of the 50f2.

I don't plan on buying another 50 but am curious.
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Two days ago, I walked into my local dealer (a word I use with deliberate intent) and found that they had just sold their first Voigtlander 50/1.2. The buyer was the guy who was handing over a credit card just as I walked in, and the dealer had no more stock. For a moment I was disappointed, but then relieved that I wasn't going to be tempted to drop a bundle of cash on the spot.
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So, for anyone who has the 50f1.1 and has purchased the 50f1.2, is the upgrade worth it? I have owned the 50f1.1 for about six months and don't use it much primarily because I don't do the available light photography which would be the lenses strong point. And I like the size of the 50f2.

I don't plan on buying another 50 but am curious.
I have the f/1.1 and of course I am tempted to buy this new lens.

However, the f/1.1 is extremely good. It is big, but smaller and lighter than the Noctilux f/1 and much sharper. If I buy the f/1.2 it is because this lens is quite a lot smaller. In fact it replaces both the 50mm f/1.5 and the 50mm f/1.1.

The mountains on the "mountain and valley focus ring" of many Voigtländer lenses are knurled and the valleys are smooth. I think the ring would be better if the valleys were knurled and the mountains smooth, the reverse. After all, in the valleys the fingers push most.

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I had a chance to look at the lens in Photokina. Voigtländer were sitting opposite a display case with the new Canon 50mm f1.2 RF-mount lens, which is literally 3x the size and weight of the Nokton (and double the price).

In the hand, the Nokton feels impossibly small for such a fast lens, and is built really well. It was not viable to get a meaningful sense of the image quality and rendering in the horrific show lighting - hopefully we will ge a better sense of that as people shoot more out in the real world.
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I'm out of the loop, did we like the 40/1.2 better than 35/1.2....
I am only half through the loop, but my understanding is that we like the 40/1.2 better. The big question for me is whether we like the 40/1.2 also better than the 50/1.2.
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The big question for me is whether we like the 40/1.2 also better than the 50/1.2.
Well, I understand that Yokosuka_Mike has both lenses. Maybe he can make some comparison shots of the same spot from the same standpoint with the same lens aperture. That would be very interesting.

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Yes, I have both lenses:
Voigtlander 40mm f1.2 Nokton VM lens
Voigtlander 50mm f1.2 Nokton VM lens
And, I have posted a substantial amount of images in the “Voigtlander 40mm f1.2 Nokton VM lens - Images” and ‘Voigtlander 50mm f1.2 Nokton VM lens - Images” threads that can be found in the Voigtlander Lenses and Images forum. My style of shooting is the same in both threads and the camera body was the same for all images (a Sony A7II camera). Check out both threads and it should be easy to draw your own conclusions.

My personal opinion at this time is that the Voigtlander 40mm f1.2 Nokton VM lens is a bit easier to get along with. It’s more forgiving to my style of shooting. However, the 50mm 1.2 is no slouch, it just demands more of my attention - no sloppy shooting will be rewarded with a good image.

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My personal opinion at this time is that the Voigtlander 40mm f1.2 Nokton VM lens is a bit easier to get along with. It’s more forgiving to my style of shooting. However, the 50mm 1.2 is no slouch, it just demands more of my attention - no sloppy shooting will be rewarded with a good image.
Mike, thank you very much.

Is the 40mm f/1.2 easier to get along with because it is smaller and has more dept of field at comparable apertures?

In other words: is the 50mm f/1.2 more difficult to focus? Will this also be the case when the lenses are used on a Leica?

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Mike, thank you very much.

Is the 40mm f/1.2 easier to get along with because it is smaller and has more dept of field at comparable apertures?

In other words: is the 50mm f/1.2 more difficult to focus? Will this also be the case when the lenses are used on a Leica?

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Hi Erik,

The size of a lens doesn't bother me at all. I have the 50mm 1.1 VM and love it and it's a pretty big lens. But it is true that the 40mm 1.2 is easier to focus than the 50mm 1.2 on my Sony A7II.

As to being used on a Leica, I can't say because I don't have one. But I do have plenty of Bessa rangefinders and I can go out and do a comparison of the lenses with my RM3 and see what there is to see. This will take a few days so I'll get back to you when I can.

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I had a chance to look at the lens in Photokina. Voigtländer were sitting opposite a display case with the new Canon 50mm f1.2 RF-mount lens, which is literally 3x the size and weight ok the Nokton (and double the price).

In the hand, the Nokton feels impossibly small for such a fast lens, and is built really well.
I took a look at the new Nokton as well in Photokina and I'll echo your sentiments. Mounted on my M3 it didn't feel out of place at all; a very nice match, regarding size and styling.

The Canon RF 50/1.2 is a sizeable lens indeed, but also deadly sharp, even wide open
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The Canon RF 50/1.2 is a sizeable lens indeed, but also deadly sharp, even wide open
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Canon LTM 50/1.2 c by unoh7, WO on original A7r.

When I first chased the lens, many loved bokeh, few regarded it as sharp. It is not sharp accross the frame, like the 1.4 or CV 1.1 in comparison, however the centers are pretty good.
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This fella rates the lens very highly, Unfortunately, in his video he takes 20 minutes to say what he could've said in 2 minutes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYHpuQmrQJk
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Hi, Can a 50mm f1.2 owner confirm that the nokton is a full 1/2 faster than f1.4, and not just 1/3 stop faster. I am a film user so can't up my iso if needed!
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