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Old 09-19-2015   #41
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I've gotten the firmware upgraded on several Nikon F6s. Pre upgrade, they all showed the F6 Nikon logo (see 3rd image here) on the LCD panel. Post upgrade, the F6 Nikon logo was gone. Just my observation though, and I'm not sure if its a definitive way to tell if the firmware has been upgraded.
No, that is unrelated.
Also the current brand new F6 show the Nikon F6 logo on the rear panel, if certain modes are used (P in connection with some others; as soon as you switch from P to A for example, the logo disappears).

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Any news from our members in Japan, which serial numbers have been sold recently in Japan?
No updates of late. I'll try to drop by some of the camera stores next Wednesday when I'm in Tokyo.

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If you don't have any problems (especially not the battery indication problem), then you have the recent firmware.
All F6s starting from s/n 18754 left the factory with the new firmware. No doubt many earlier F6s would have been upgraded when sent back to Nikon for servicing for whatever reason, but there are also probably some still out there that have never been back to Nikon for servicing so still have the older firmware.

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No, that is unrelated.
Also the current brand new F6 show the Nikon F6 logo on the rear panel, if certain modes are used (P in connection with some others; as soon as you switch from P to A for example, the logo disappears).

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I shot my F6 in A mode 99% of the time so that would explain why I never saw the F6 logo

Thanks for the correction Jan!
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I shot my F6 in A mode 99% of the time so that would explain why I never saw the F6 logo

Thanks for the correction Jan!
Interesting, but mine shows nothing like the "F6" in any mode.
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No updates of late. I'll try to drop by some of the camera stores next Wednesday when I'm in Tokyo.
Thank you! I am looking forward for your report.

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I shot my F6 in A mode 99% of the time so that would explain why I never saw the F6 logo

Thanks for the correction Jan!
You're welcome. I am also an 'A' shooter . And I needed several years to discover in the manual the description when the "Nikon F6" is shown on the rear LCD . In the German manual it is on page 18.
It it shown when the following modes are selected:
- DX for film speed
- AF focus selector on single focus
- AF focus field: the central one exactly in the center
- exposure mode P
- no exposure compensation
- no bracketing
- no data imprint selected
- flash syncro: normal on the first shutter curtain

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I have had my F6 for about 10 months bought it from Ffordes in Scotland
The serial No is :- 0021524 not sure what year this would have been made, if anyone has an idea
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I recently had the upgraded firmware installed on two Nikon F6 bodies by Nikon USA. The bodies both previously displayed the "Nikon F6" logo on the rear LCD. After the firmware upgrade, that logo no longer appears in any mode. The upgrade definitely fixed the situation where the battery indicator showed significant drain after a few rolls. While I am not sure (since I did not perform any controlled tests), the AF appears to be a little snappier in low light. If only Nikon would upgrade the firmware to allow the F6 to be used with the latest electronic aperture lenses (like the new 24-70 f2.8)!
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If you don't have any problems (especially not the battery indication problem), then you have the recent firmware.
For about 8 eight years now I have not heard anymore from anyone reporting that problem. So most probably those former cameras with that firmware problem have all been updated by the Nikon Service in the meanwhile.
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re: experience with or using DC 105mm f/2 AF-D?
A friend of mine. It's stunning. One of the best lenses Nikon have ever made.

Cheers, Jan
Okay. It's not like I use the camera constantly, but the two (used) CR123s I put in when I got it are still going strong after about 8 rolls of film. So I suspect that I'm on the latest firmware.

I've got the DC105 on my short list now. ;-)

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I've gotten the firmware upgraded on several Nikon F6s. Pre upgrade, they all showed the F6 Nikon logo (see 3rd image here) on the LCD panel. Post upgrade, the F6 Nikon logo was gone. Just my observation though, and I'm not sure if its a definitive way to tell if the firmware has been upgraded.
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No, that is unrelated.
Also the current brand new F6 show the Nikon F6 logo on the rear panel, if certain modes are used (P in connection with some others; as soon as you switch from P to A for example, the logo disappears).

Cheers, Jan
Thinking out loud here, but maybe that applies only to cameras that already had the new firmware from the factory and were not upgraded later

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I recently had the upgraded firmware installed on two Nikon F6 bodies by Nikon USA. The bodies both previously displayed the "Nikon F6" logo on the rear LCD. After the firmware upgrade, that logo no longer appears in any mode. The upgrade definitely fixed the situation where the battery indicator showed significant drain after a few rolls.
Thanks for the comment, dtcls100. That mirrors my experience. I'm glad I wasn't imagining it!

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Interesting, but mine shows nothing like the "F6" in any mode.
I know Dave's F6 has a reasonably early s/n and has the latest firmware because I'm the one who took it to Nikon for the upgrade.
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hello rangefinder, my nikon F6 has serial number 31678. just bought it last week used from japan, in excellent condition. thanks
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Thinking out loud here, but maybe that applies only to cameras that already had the new firmware from the factory and were not upgraded later
Maybe.
I definitely know that the current factory new cameras show the F6 logo as described in my posting above.

Do you in the meanwhile have new numbers from brand new F6 in Japanese camera stores?

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hello rangefinder, my nikon F6 has serial number 31678. just bought it last week used from japan, in excellent condition. thanks
Then you have one made in 2009. Just made a little bit after mine was made......
Congratulations! Enjoy your new camera! The best 35mm SLR ever made.
I can highly recommend the MB-40 vertical grip, too. Perfect combination with the camera.

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OK -- I started looking at the F6. Lots of used ones in the $650 range in EX+++ condition. My S2's would like a younger friend.

Question, is there any problem buying from Japan? Will Nikon USA service the cameras?

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OK -- I started looking at the F6. Lots of used ones in the $650 range in EX+++ condition. My S2's would like a younger friend.

Question, is there any problem buying from Japan? Will Nikon USA service the cameras?

Damned thread!
I've had no issues buying Nikon gear from Japan.. Excellent interactions, fast delivery, beautiful equipment. Nothing I've bought has needed any service yet so I don't know if Nikon USA will cause a problem, but if they did I'd send the gear to Nikon imJapan for service without any question. My understanding, though, is that the service restrictions have always been on warranty work, not service and repair.

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Thanks Godfrey. I am not expecting repairs, I have had very few issues with Nikon over the year. Seems crazy not to get one if these bodies.
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Will Nikon USA service the cameras?
Why not?
In Germany Nikon offers service for all later film cameras.
Older film cameras are transferred to repair companies which are focussed and specialised on older Nikons.

Second and best option: Buy a new one now, handle it with care and you will most probably not have any problem in the next 40 years (and you have a guarantee, too).
The price of a new one is very very low for such a perfect camera which can be used for such a long time.
It is even less than 1/3 of the price of a D4, and you will definitely not use a D4 for decades.......

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A new Nikon F6 will set you back about $2300 in the US. A little less if you buy grey market. It is about half the price of a new Leica film camera.
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Why not?
In Germany Nikon offers service for all later film cameras.
Older film cameras are transferred to repair companies which are focussed and specialised on older Nikons.

Second and best option: Buy a new one now, handle it with care and you will most probably not have any problem in the next 40 years (and you have a guarantee, too).
The price of a new one is very very low for such a perfect camera which can be used for such a long time.
It is even less than 1/3 of the price of a D4, and you will definitely not use a D4 for decades.......

Cheers, Jan
What their policy is on items purchased from Japan, not strictly gray market, is unclear on Nikon's site. Why I asked what others had experienced.

https://support.nikonusa.com/app/ans...gray-market%3F
"Nikon Inc. USA cannot provide any technical support or warranty service on Gray Market items. Additionally Nikon Inc. USA cannot perform any fee-based repair work on Gray Market items. Please do not contact Nikon Inc. USA for help with any Gray Market products. Please contact the reseller or importer of your Gray Market items for warranty and service information as well as software updates and downloads."
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@photomoof:
AFAIK the guarantee topic is only about factory new cameras, and in the guarantee time.
It is not about used cameras, which don't have a guarantee anymore.
If you have a problem with a used camera which has to be fixed, you have to pay for the repair anyway.

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A new Nikon F6 will set you back about $2300 in the US. A little less if you buy grey market. It is about half the price of a new Leica film camera.
In Germany it varies (dependant on the distributor) between 1,700€ and 1,900€ for the body, and about 400€ for the MB-40 vertical grip (the D4 is in the 5,700-6,000€ range).

For such a "once in a lifetime" camera, which can be used for 40-50 years (or even more), that is next to nothing, only some Euros p.a..

One of the reasons I will again go for a brand new one.
Then my first F6 (also bougt new) will be loaded with colour reversal film on my projects, and the second, new one will be used parallel loaded with BW reversal, BW negative or colour negative film.
Perfect solution.

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Do you in the meanwhile have new numbers from brand new F6 in Japanese camera stores?

Thanks and cheers,
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Hi Jan, not yet. I was occupied with other things the few times I've been into central Tokyo recently. Hopefully soon!
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LOL! You guys make me itch to buy another F6... :-)

But no, I'm happy with the one I have, and the F, and the D750. Plenty of lenses too. They'll all last pretty much forever. My goal is to use them more!

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Has anyone gone from an F100 to an F6? Thoughts? Any pluses or minuses to either camera? I wish the F100 had the split screen offerings of the F6, and the matrix metering with manual lenses sounds nice to. I'm generally happy with the F100, though the data imprint sounds nice on the F6, and a few other things.
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Hi Jan, not yet. I was occupied with other things the few times I've been into central Tokyo recently. Hopefully soon!
Thanks.
Take all the time you need.
No need to hurry.

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Has anyone gone from an F100 to an F6? Thoughts? Any pluses or minuses to either camera?
Two completely different 'animals'. The F6 is a league of its own.
Advantages of the F6:

- colour matrix metering, even with older manual Nikkors (and the current Zeiss, Voigtländer, Samyang etc. lenses)
- improved database for the metering system
- i-TTL flash system (which works excellently, especially with fill-in flash)
- much better autofocus system with perfect AF-field layout
- more precise autofocus (and manual focus with the AF indicator)
- MLU
- mirror and shutter are much better damped, the F6 can be used with longer shutter times hand held
- works very silently
- much more robust construction, made for professinal use
- much better ergonomics
- much better vertical grip with better ergonomics and functionality
- better viewfinder
- 8 fps with MB-40
- film rewind in two speeds plus complete silent film rewind with a traditional crank
- integrated data back
- perfect EXIF data storage (seeable on the rear monitor; transferrable onto a computer with either the Nikon MV-1 data-reader or the new Meta 35 data-reader)
- perfect custom function system
- perfect sliding covers for the PC sync and remote control pins
- still available new with full guarantee.

That are some of the main advantages. There are lots of further improved details.

Advantage of the F100:
- lower price.

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I went all the way through the F line starting with the F and tried and used them all. I also went through 3 F100's.
As stated above the advantages are numerous but the ones I have found that stand out are the more robust feel to the camera, the consistancy with the meter, the quiet and smoothness of operation but most of all the viewfinder.
Without going into detail my eyesight is not the greatest anymore with a lack of central vision and therefore acuity and the F6 combined with a DK17M eyepiece magnifier allows me to focus accurately using my peripheral vision. This was my main reason for using Leicaflex cameras. The F6 is even better. What does this all mean? Well for someone with good eyesight you get the best SLR for manual focus lenses plus of course AF lenses.
The F100 is a great camera however I did have a problem with corroded contacts in the left side mode selector on one of mine. Are the benefits worth the extra expense? For me definately due to the superb focus with my 28 AIS but if you are not manually focusing then other factors need to be debated.
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Two completely different 'animals'. The F6 is a league of its own.
Advantages of the F6:

- colour matrix metering, even with older manual Nikkors (and the current Zeiss, Voigtländer, Samyang etc. lenses)
- improved database for the metering system
- i-TTL flash system (which works excellently, especially with fill-in flash)
- much better autofocus system with perfect AF-field layout
- more precise autofocus (and manual focus with the AF indicator)
- MLU
- mirror and shutter are much better damped, the F6 can be used with longer shutter times hand held
- works very silently
- much more robust construction, made for professinal use
- much better ergonomics
- much better vertical grip with better ergonomics and functionality
- better viewfinder
- 8 fps with MB-40
- film rewind in two speeds plus complete silent film rewind with a traditional crank
- integrated data back
- perfect EXIF data storage (seeable on the rear monitor; transferrable onto a computer with either the Nikon MV-1 data-reader or the new Meta 35 data-reader)
- perfect custom function system
- perfect sliding covers for the PC sync and remote control pins
- still available new with full guarantee.

That are some of the main advantages. There are lots of further improved details.

Advantage of the F100:
- lower price.

Cheers, Jan
And another significant advantage of the F6:
The very precise, self-calibrating shutter.
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I always wonder if getting an F6 will cure my GAS
Nice size (not F5 huge), AF (nice AF to boot), split prism screen available, matrix metering for slides, modern finder read out
Maybe an F6 and an FE2/F3 instead of the F100 (to use my AF lenses)/F2AS/F3(AE and "small size") I've been using (kinda want to add an F4 because of the focus confirmation and matrix metering with AI lenses)

jonmanjiro - what film is that - love the colors
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The F6 has cured my GAS: You cannot make a better SLR.

And no excuses anymore:
If the shoot isn't good, it's only your fault as a photographer, not the fault of the camera.
So the F6 has also an excellent side effect:
It makes you a better photographer with more discipline (at least it made me a better photographer, because I cannot blame the camera anymore....)

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Nice size (not F5 huge),
But you should add the MB-40 vertical grip: It is excellent, and with it you have the full potential of the camera.

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AF (nice AF to boot), split prism screen available, matrix metering for slides, modern finder read out
Maybe an F6 and an FE2/F3 instead of the F100 (to use my AF lenses)/F2AS/F3(AE and "small size") I've been using (kinda want to add an F4 because of the focus confirmation and matrix metering with AI lenses)
The F6 is also offering matrix metering with AI/AI-S lenses like the F4, but even in a better way: Colour matrix metering.
And the focus confirmation is much more precise and flexible in the F6 compared to the F4.
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jonmanjiro - what film is that - love the colors
The film was Fujifilm Fortia 50 SP. It was a limited production run film sold about eight years ago in Japan that was designed for shooting cherry blossoms (enhanced blues and purples). I really wish Fujifilm made more of it...
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Love it way more than Velvia
It's settled- time to save for a F6- why have 5 different cameras that do what 1 can? It's 2015 and film isnt my walk around medium anymore
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Time to add another to the list, just unboxing this morning and fitting an L screen, film in later today when I've set a few custom settings, looking forward to breaking her in.






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Will such a highly automated electronic camera really be serviceable 20 years from now?

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I'm not going to be serviceable 20 years from now, that's for sure, so I Love my F6 unreservedly now and without worry
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Will such a highly automated electronic camera really be serviceable 20 years from now?

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Nikon F4 was introduced in 1988. It is a highly automated electronic camera. Just like the F6
28 years have passed and it is still serviceable.
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Doesn't matter, I'm being buried with an M2 so I'll be fine thanks.
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Congratulations, Chris !!
The F6 is my main camera these days. The D3100 rides shotgun in the Billingham.

I honestly cannot understand why a film shooter does not have an F6... It is that good.
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Congratulations, Chris !!

I honestly cannot understand why a film shooter does not have an F6... It is that good.
Thanks, one day, one roll and I agree.
Big question is why did I wait so long?
Swayed by the "F100 is good enough" crew, and I have one and it is good, in fact brilliant for the money it sells for, but as others have said we, or at least I, am in this for the love of it. Our time is limited, as a film shooter it would silly to get to the end without trying one.
What a shock it must have been coming from the other film bodies to this, having shot the digital it is of course all second nature and familiar.
In fact it shows that the improvements in the bodies in the last 10 years have really been very incremental, too much R&D on the sensors, look at the leaps in the film F series of single digits, I know longer,much, gaps but the pace of change has accelerated in many areas.
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Now go post pics on the F6 pic thread!
That the one with the last post in 2013 and more chat than pics
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