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I would rather have them take their time to get it done right. If they rush it to market and there are issues, many people will never try it again and the bad press, including many people on this forum and others, will do their anti kodak thing that they seem to enjoy doing. I just bought some of the slightly expired Provia from B&H for what I am guessing is gonna be much cheaper than when the Ektachrome is released. I'll shoot that till I have a chance to give the new film a try.

I'm really hoping slide film sales can get a long term slight bump, not just an initial release bump. What I'm really hoping for is a new Kodak 6 bath chemistry kit.
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I would rather have them take their time to get it done right. If they rush it to market and there are issues, many people will never try it again and the bad press, including many people on this forum and others, will do their anti kodak thing that they seem to enjoy doing. I just bought some of the slightly expired Provia from B&H for what I am guessing is gonna be much cheaper than when the Ektachrome is released. I'll shoot that till I have a chance to give the new film a try.

I'm really hoping slide film sales can get a long term slight bump, not just an initial release bump. What I'm really hoping for is a new Kodak 6 bath chemistry kit.
Blah blah blah blah....the product is over a year behind schedule. No one is asking to have it released today. One would think that a competent organization would have an idea, even a general one, when it would be ready after 3+ months of "testing".

If this were 120 film I'd be hesitant since it took Kodak YEARS to fix their paper problem. But this is 35mm film. When has a 35mm film ever been RE-released and it turned out to be botched?

Of course, you could be suggesting that even 35mm film is beyond their capability.
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Not sure if it's been posted here yet, but Studio C-41 has an interview with one of the beta testers, Sandra Coan. Same tester that brbo linked a few posts up:
https://studioc41.net/2018/08/26/san...ore-the-world/
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Not sure if it's been posted here yet, but Studio C-41 has an interview with one of the beta testers, Sandra Coan. Same tester that brbo linked a few posts up:
https://studioc41.net/2018/08/26/san...ore-the-world/
Thanks!!! Still waiting anxiously.
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There are some new examples on Kodak Alaris' instagram page:
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It's good.
It's really really good.
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This is looking nice. I would be stoked if I could get results like some of those, certainly not a given in my case, but looking forward, now, to trying some.
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It's really really good.
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Listened to the C-41 podcast, too. Very stoked by Sasha Coen's comment: "I shoot medium format and 35mm wasn't my thing 'cause I don't like the grain, but I tried it, and it looks like medium format. This is a new film!"

And then the comment, "We have to buy and shoot it so they'll release it in 120."

And I liked hearing that the dynamic range is wide. Not going to help you if you blow the highlights, but still wide enough that if you nail those, you've got "something like 7 stops"... to which I say, "Huh? Okay.... we'll see when we see it... but if you think so, that's sounding like high praise."

So am I stoked? Yes I am. Very stoked to think I might even begin to like 35mm again. Which of course I do... only I like 120 that much more.

When I came back to film, it was for the B&W, but now I'm beginning to shoot color again, and liking it very much. Not sure I want to process E6 myself, but the prospect that Kodak might make film a long term viable alternative is beginning to sound very much like their intention rather than just reviving an old formula. So maybe.... in the end, EPA and all the bother of forcing Kodak to reformulate will have driven innovation to produce a film worth the bother. Hope so. But seeing will be believing.
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Listened to the C-41 podcast, too. Very stoked by Sasha Coen's comment: "I shoot medium format and 35mm wasn't my thing 'cause I don't like the grain, but I tried it, and it looks like medium format. This is a new film!"
Looks like Sasha Coen has little experience with reversal film in general. Because:
Reversal film generally has significantly finer grain, higher resolution (especially at lower and medium object contrasts) and better sharpness than color negative film.
That is the reason why professional photographers have used 35mm color reversal film for decades in their public slide / AV shows in big halls on huge cinema screens. And the slides on the huge screens have outstanding quality.
A 35mm color slide is much closer to a 120 format color negative because of this finer detail rendition than a 35mm color negative.

So that he is impressed by the fineness of grain of 35mm Ektachrome has certainly less to do with being it Ektachrome, than being it reversal film.
Because Provia 100F, the Velvias, former Astia 100F, Sensia, Kodak Elitechromes and so on all have (had) this outstanding and extremely fine detail rendition.
And this quality level which is closer to 120 format color negative film than expected.

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And I liked hearing that the dynamic range is wide. Not going to help you if you blow the highlights, but still wide enough that if you nail those, you've got "something like 7 stops"... to which I say, "Huh? Okay.... we'll see when we see it... but if you think so, that's sounding like high praise."
Hopefully it is more than 7 stops, because former Ektachrome E100G, Elitechrome 100 and Fujichrome Provia 100F have about 8 stops. If you look at them on a light box.
If you need to squeeze even more from them it is also possible with a real drum scanner. A friend of mine showed me scans with about 11 stops contrast range from Provia 100F. And Tim Parkin (onlandscapes) had published drum scans made by him of Velvia 50 with about 10 stops range.
It is really impressive what a capable photographic medium reversal film is.

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When I came back to film, it was for the B&W, but now I'm beginning to shoot color again, and liking it very much. Not sure I want to process E6 myself, but the prospect that Kodak might make film a long term viable alternative is beginning to sound very much like their intention rather than just reviving an old formula.
Very good idea to start using color reversal again (I've never stopped doing it ). But you don't have to wait for Ektachrome.
You can start at once with Provia 100F, Velvia 50 and 100. Not only in 35mm, but also in 120. All three films are available in both formats (and sheet film, too).
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Along with the new Ektachrome film, Kodak announced the upcoming release of a new Super 8mm camera. Two years ago.

This news was just as big as the reappearance of Ektachrome. Since then we have had several updates from Kodak about the preparation of the new film, but as far as I can tell, there has been nothing about the new camera. I searched the web and found absolutely nothing. However, I don't listen to all these podcasts.

Are they talking about the new Super 8mm motion picture camera? Has there been any update at all since January of 2016? Is this still an active project?
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The images look fantastic on the instagram account, with all the normal caveats about instagram viewing. I'm very happy this is going so well for Kodak and look forward to giving this film a run.
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This news was just as big as the reappearance of Ektachrome. Since then we have had several updates from Kodak about the preparation of the new film, but as far as I can tell, there has been nothing about the new camera.
There was information about the Super 8 camera made available earlier this year. It seems the camera is likely to be a $3,000 piece of kit rather than the more mainstream product first mooted. There was also a demo video released (with fairly predictable footage of festivals, skateboarding, etc.).
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There was information about the Super 8 camera made available earlier this year. It seems the camera is likely to be a $3,000 piece of kit rather than the more mainstream product first mooted. There was also a demo video released (with fairly predictable footage of festivals, skateboarding, etc.).
Thank you. I knew that the price had been raised but could not find a link that supported that. The link within the link you supplied showed exactly what I was trying to remember. It's been almost 3/4 of a year since that release. I wonder if they are still trying to make this camera.
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Just read about this new promotion. Kodak, going after the teen market.

https://www.vox.com/the-goods/2018/9...analog-culture
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Just read about this new promotion. Kodak, going after the teen market.

https://www.vox.com/the-goods/2018/9...analog-culture
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Looks like Sasha Coen has little experience with reversal film in general. Because:
Reversal film generally has significantly finer grain, higher resolution (especially at lower and medium object contrasts) and better sharpness than color negative film.
That is the reason why professional photographers have used 35mm color reversal film for decades in their public slide / AV shows in big halls on huge cinema screens. And the slides on the huge screens have outstanding quality.
A 35mm color slide is much closer to a 120 format color negative because of this finer detail rendition than a 35mm color negative.

So that he is impressed by the fineness of grain of 35mm Ektachrome has certainly less to do with being it Ektachrome, than being it reversal film.
Because Provia 100F, the Velvias, former Astia 100F, Sensia, Kodak Elitechromes and so on all have (had) this outstanding and extremely fine detail rendition.
And this quality level which is closer to 120 format color negative film than expected.

Hopefully it is more than 7 stops, because former Ektachrome E100G, Elitechrome 100 and Fujichrome Provia 100F have about 8 stops. If you look at them on a light box.
If you need to squeeze even more from them it is also possible with a real drum scanner. A friend of mine showed me scans with about 11 stops contrast range from Provia 100F. And Tim Parkin (onlandscapes) had published drum scans made by him of Velvia 50 with about 10 stops range.
It is really impressive what a capable photographic medium reversal film is.

Very good idea to start using color reversal again (I've never stopped doing it ). But you don't have to wait for Ektachrome.
You can start at once with Provia 100F, Velvia 50 and 100. Not only in 35mm, but also in 120. All three films are available in both formats (and sheet film, too).
I can completely agree from my tests and many years of shooting with former E100G and the current Provia 100F and Velvias.
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Just read about this new promotion. Kodak, going after the teen market.

https://www.vox.com/the-goods/2018/9...analog-culture
I think this is a smart move by Kodak. Kodak needs to win back the support of young, enthusiastic film photographers. There are very many of them out there! Fuji has a hold on the marketplace with their runaway successful Instax line and Kodak is moving in the right direction by appealing to that demographic.
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I think this is a smart move by Kodak. Kodak needs to win back the support of young, enthusiastic film photographers. There are very many of them out there! Fuji has a hold on the marketplace with their runaway successful Instax line and Kodak is moving in the right direction by appealing to that demographic.
Sort of interesting: Fujifilm doesn't have any clothing line. Not that I know of. They prefer to get the support of the young with photographic products.
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Sort of interesting: Fujifilm doesn't have any clothing line. Not that I know of. They prefer to get the support of the young with photographic products.
Yes, Ted, indeed you are quite correct. Fuji has successfully populated many different types of shops with their Instax products and that has gotten their name out there to many consumers who might not know them otherwise. That is the type of marketing Kodak needs to do too. I look forward to Kodak getting into many new product lines and of course following up with a re-introduced Ektachrome!
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Sort of interesting: Fujifilm doesn't have any clothing line. Not that I know of. They prefer to get the support of the young with photographic products.
You can easily find FujiFilm apparel, including gloves, hoodies, t-shirts, golf shirts, etc. They don't market it as well as Kodak, but it's available on their website, at redbubble and other places online.
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You can easily find FujiFilm apparel, including gloves, hoodies, t-shirts, golf shirts, etc. They don't market it as well as Kodak, but it's available on their website, at redbubble and other places online.
I looked at redbubble, Amazon, and Fuji's own site. No official apparel as far as I can find. Further, I've never once seen any one wearing Fuji apparel in the wild. I don't think any of Fuji's success can be attributed to anything other than their photographic products.
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I looked at redbubble, Amazon, and Fuji's own site. No official apparel as far as I can find. Further, I've never once seen any one wearing Fuji apparel in the wild. I dont think any of Fuji's success can be attributed to anything other than their photographic products.
I don't think anyone has suggested that it has. Fuji and Kodak both make excellent products. And branded apparel, which I suppose appeals to some, might be helpful in addition to the core photographic products but is not my thing.

https://www.redbubble.com/shop/fujifilm+t-shirts
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General availability seems to be rather close. Fotoimpex teased up Ektachrome as "coming soon" on their instagram today.
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I don't think anyone has suggested that it has. Fuji and Kodak both make excellent products. And branded apparel, which I suppose appeals to some, might be helpful in addition to the core photographic products but is not my thing.

https://www.redbubble.com/shop/fujifilm+t-shirts
But Fuji is selling photographic products at these stores, not apparel. You can buy INSTAX cameras in many apparel stores like Urban Outfitters, etc...

I don't see any mention that Forever 21 is going to stock Kodak Gold film. There should be some direct way for people who are exposed to Kodak to buy their film. It is much harder for the casual person to buy film than it was back in the day.

Fuji has nailed this down perfectly, but only for their INSTAX line. They don't give a rat's ass about their other films.
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But Fuji is selling photographic products at these stores, not apparel. You can buy INSTAX cameras in many apparel stores like Urban Outfitters, etc...

I don't see any mention that Forever 21 is going to stock Kodak Gold film. There should be some direct way for people who are exposed to Kodak to buy their film. It is much harder for the casual person to buy film than it was back in the day.

Fuji has nailed this down perfectly, but only for their INSTAX line. They don't give a rat's ass about their other films.
I agree, the ideal would be to have film and lifestyle products together to drive home the message. Put a t-shirt and a roll of film in a bag or whatever.
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Ok,

Time to get back on topic.

I have tried to be considerate but it is tiring.

Ratty Mouse continues to stir the pot. Trolling is not appreciated on this thread nor is starting the ever present negative comments about Kodak.

Stop it.
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Ok,

Time to get back on topic.

I have tried to be considerate but it is tiring.

Ratty Mouse continues to stir the pot. Trolling is not appreciated on this thread nor is starting the ever present negative comments about Kodak.

Stop it.
Agreed. It is tiring.

A few years ago there was a gentleman working at a camera store local to me who was incredibly negative when it came to film photography. He went out of his way to criticize it and the people that continue to use it. I honestly don't know if they're still in business or if he continues to work there. I grew so tired of his negativity that I stopped going there, despite the convenience of the location.

The new Ektachrome release is shaping up to be something really special. Who gives a damn if Kodak is pushing t-shirts to teens.
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Fuji has nailed this down perfectly, but only for their INSTAX line. They dont give a rat's ass about their other films.
Fuji won't be giving up their market share any time soon. I would look for more aggressive marketing of their films and especially their E-6 products as soon as the new Ektachrome is released, if not sooner.

And yes, getting back to the subject: I am SO looking forward to the return of Ektachrome! As are many thousands if not millions of film photographers worldwide.
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Fuji won't be giving up their market share any time soon. I would look for more aggressive marketing of their films and especially their E-6 products as soon as the new Ektachrome is released, if not sooner.

And yes, getting back to the subject: I am SO looking forward to the return of Ektachrome! As are many thousands if not millions of film photographers worldwide.
I would be very surprised if your prediction comes true. Has Fujifilm ever marketed their still films (non INSTAX)? I'm talking about something more than just revamping the packaging. Maybe they have, but I can't recall anything off hand.
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What's up Fuji, Kodak has t-shirts AND a blimp!

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Ok,

Time to get back on topic.

I have tried to be considerate but it is tiring.

Ratty Mouse continues to stir the pot. Trolling is not appreciated on this thread nor is starting the ever present negative comments about Kodak.

Stop it.
I completely agree!
He is permanently damaging our friendly discussion culture here.
Dave, as you are the OP, it is certainly best you contact the moderators directly.
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What's up Fuji, Kodak has t-shirts AND a blimp!


I forgot about the Fujifilm blimp. That was some time ago. Of course, that is really marketing, but long since relegated to history. I was wondering what, if any marketing they do for their still films today.



Never saw this Kodak blimp before. Any ideas on the years of operation?
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While we wait expectantly for the new Ektachrome, here's one with expired 100G in 120.

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While we wait expectantly for the new Ektachrome, here's one with expired 100G in 120.

000290090003 by Maryland Photos, on Flickr

Gorgeous colors, captured nicely.
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Has Fujifilm ever marketed their still films (non INSTAX)? I'm talking about something more than just revamping the packaging. Maybe they have, but I can't recall anything off hand.
......because you ignore the media where marketing for photographic materials is most efficient in today's market, like instagram.
Fujifilm has started promoting their standard films in a more active way via instagram.
They are there as fujifilm_profilm
https://www.instagram.com/fujifilm_profilm/

They also have a "win free film" promotion:
"Enter our ongoing Fujifilm Friday series for a chance to win 10 rolls of Fujifilm + an #ishootfujifilm t-shirt! All you need to do to enter is keep doing what you always do: Use #ishootfujifilm and tag us when you post an image shot on Fujifilm. You’ll then be automatically entered into a randomized drawing that takes place twice a month.

Be sure to include #ishootfujifilm and @fujifilm_profilm when you post an image shot on Fujifilm to be automatically entered into the next giveaway drawing. ❤️📷🎞❤️Official rules & details here: http://bit.ly/ishootfujifilm2018 "


And they offer workshops for film photography in their Fujifilm Wonder Shop in NYC.
I guess quite a lot of rff members are also active on instagram and can post their shots on Fujifilm films there and can benefit from it.

They have also marketing partnerships with some professional labs.
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I would be very surprised if your prediction comes true. Has Fujifilm ever marketed their still films (non INSTAX)? I'm talking about something more than just revamping the packaging. Maybe they have, but I can't recall anything off hand.
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I'm pretty sure I saw the Fujifilm blimp at this, or last year's Tour de France.
There were several blimps with Kodak markings, years ago I'm sure.
Blimps are owned by "blimp companies" and graphics applied on contract.
Goodyear built and owned their own, building their first in 1912, and many thereafter.



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I forgot about the Fujifilm blimp. That was some time ago. Of course, that is really marketing, but long since relegated to history. I was wondering what, if any marketing they do for their still films today.
Never saw this Kodak blimp before. Any ideas on the years of operation?
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......because you ignore the media where marketing for photographic materials is most efficient in today's market, like instagram.
Fujifilm has started promoting their standard films in a more active way via instagram.
They are there as fujifilm_profilm
https://www.instagram.com/fujifilm_profilm/

They also have a "win free film" promotion:
"Enter our ongoing Fujifilm Friday series for a chance to win 10 rolls of Fujifilm + an #ishootfujifilm t-shirt! All you need to do to enter is keep doing what you always do: Use #ishootfujifilm and tag us when you post an image shot on Fujifilm. You’ll then be automatically entered into a randomized drawing that takes place twice a month.

Be sure to include #ishootfujifilm and @fujifilm_profilm when you post an image shot on Fujifilm to be automatically entered into the next giveaway drawing. ❤️📷🎞❤️Official rules & details here: http://bit.ly/ishootfujifilm2018 "


And they offer workshops for film photography in their Fujifilm Wonder Shop in NYC.
I guess quite a lot of rff members are also active on instagram and can post their shots on Fujifilm films there and can benefit from it.

They have also marketing partnerships with some professional labs.

Right you are, Skiff! Fujifilm has a long history of advertising and marketing. We would be missing the point if we were to say, for example, this ad or this promotion doesn't specifically mention film products, therefore its not about film at all! And let us not forget that even if one might just by chance only see promotions of Instax cameras and films, further growth of the Instax line is good for ALL of Fuji's products. It is a win-win for film photographers everywhere.
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