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New Leica M Nokton 50mm F1.2
Old 03-01-2018   #1
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New Leica M Nokton 50mm F1.2

Spotted today at CP+ in Yokohama. I even got to handle one and shoot a few photos. Very nice size for an f1.2 lens. I'd guess its around the same size as the 40mm F1.2.

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Old 03-01-2018   #2
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that spacing between 1.4 and 1.2...
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Old 03-02-2018   #3
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I predicted that this would come. Great news!

https://www.rangefinderforum.com/for...7&postcount=10

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Old 03-02-2018   #4
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Wow Erik, it's like someone at Cosina read your post

I am surprised that this is the first that we have heard of this. Normally there are some rumours and rumblings. I will be interested to see how much it costs.
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Old 03-02-2018   #5
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I'm getting confused with all the super fast lenses we have these days
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Old 03-02-2018   #6
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that spacing between 1.4 and 1.2...
1.4 to 1.2 is only 1/3 stop. F1, f1.1, f1.2, f1.4. Each 1/3 of a stop.
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Old 03-02-2018   #7
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Very strange, so little space 1.2 to 1.4 ...
Original Leica Noctilux 1.2/50 has more space :

https://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica...f/1.2_Noctilux

And my Canon LTM 1.2/50 has "ticks" on 1.2 and 1.4 something not far from 1/2 stop compared to 1.4 and 2 (may that be T stop in Nokton ?).

Interesting this Nokton 1.2 with aspherical lens that the 1.1 don't have.
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Old 03-02-2018   #8
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Wonder if it has shift like the 1.1
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Very Cool.., can't wait to see how it renders
for me voigtlander 50's are Special !
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Old 03-02-2018   #10
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1.4 to 1.2 is only 1/3 stop.
That's one small stop for man, one giant leap for mankind.

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Old 03-02-2018   #11
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to me, large apertures are only partly for light (or lack of it).
it's more that such constructions need a very careful balance of all parameters involved. the result can be just lovely - think of the 35mm f/1.2, even though that one was a bit too heavy for my taste.

so, i'm with helen here, very curious about it's rendering.
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Very strange, so little space 1.2 to 1.4 ...
Original Leica Noctilux 1.2/50 has more space :

https://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica...f/1.2_Noctilux

And my Canon LTM 1.2/50 has "ticks" on 1.2 and 1.4 something not far from 1/2 stop compared to 1.4 and 2 (may that be T stop in Nokton ?).

Interesting this Nokton 1.2 with aspherical lens that the 1.1 don't have.
Why would anyone want to set the aperture between 1.2 and 1.4. Halfway in between is 1/6 stop.

I owned one of the 1.2 Noctilux when they were introduced in the 70's. There's no reason to set the aperture in between. Your shutter most likely is 1/6 stop off or more and probably the meter too.

This might be a fantastic lens and I hope it is but any premium in price for 1/3 stop gain isn't worth it. 1/3 stop is insignificant. The big deal with the Leica 50 1.2 was flare control and improved wide open performance. Lenses of that era flared badly around light sources at night and most had tremendous coma issues. The Noctilux addressed that.
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Old 03-02-2018   #13
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Are they still making the Nokton 50 1.1? I like the one I have.
1.2 is not fast enough for me. I need at least 1.1. 1.05 is about ideal.
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Old 03-02-2018   #14
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Indeed the optical design is very likely a slightly modified 40/1.2. So expect a similar performance.

Again I'm more interested in the 21/3.5 - the E mount version has a very small front element as if it's meant for a much smaller barrel. I assume they will release a M-mount version - and may follow up with more updated small lenses. Personally would be very happy to see a new 28/3.5...
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Old 03-02-2018   #15
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Perfect fit between 50/1.1 and 50/1.5.

Plus smaller than the 1.1, short min. focus, and probably better OOF (asph). The 40/1.2 is outstanding. I love my new 40, and for me it fits better between 28 and 75, so I'll pass on this one, but if you didn't get the 40, this will be great, I'm sure.

Note that you might to have to buy a hood separately

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Old 03-02-2018   #16
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very nice, looking forward to this one. the original is a 'double-aspherical' design, curious if cosina will put also 2 aspheres, and also curious on the lens construction, if it has the dimensions from the original 1.2 from leitz, I will buy this VC at release.
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1.2 is not fast enough for me. I need at least 1.1. 1.05 is about ideal.
1/3 stop between 1.1 and 1.2 is going to make a difference in what you shoot? Seriously? What do you shoot thats so critical?

F1.05, that's a new one on me. Are you saying between f1 and 1.1? You do realize that's a whopping 1/6 of a stop?
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Old 03-02-2018   #18
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Are they still making the Nokton 50 1.1? I like the one I have.
1.2 is not fast enough for me. I need at least 1.1. 1.05 is about ideal.
It's the LA air

(or lack of? )

Where is 50mm f1.4, 1.7,f1.8 Surely they must be coming ?
Not complaining exactly but... How about another compact 50mm over another speed lens so close to the two in the line up.
It's been around 20 years since the Color Skopar f2.5/50mm in ltm. Where is the updated M version.
Maybe a compact f2 would be nice .... Shade included
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Just to compare.

The Noctilux f/1.2 has a very special all metal (stainless steel) internal construction. This construction is much better than that of the Noctilux f/1.0 wich has a lot of plastics inside.

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Old 03-02-2018   #20
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Any of you guys shoot with the Voigtlander 40/1.2 E or M lens?

The new 50/1.2 has the same look and bokeh as the 40/1.2.

No delivery date or prices yet.

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1/3 stop between 1.1 and 1.2 is going to make a difference in what you shoot? Seriously? What do you shoot thats so critical?

F1.05, that's a new one on me. Are you saying between f1 and 1.1? You do realize that's a whopping 1/6 of a stop?

I am very particular with my exposures.

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I am very particular with my exposures.

I use sometimes my Noctilux at 1.2, just to see that it's much better (for me of course) than when used full open.
Less vignetting is the obvious.


As side note, years ago, I had opportunity to compare my 1.0 at 1.2 to the original f/1.2 and I prefer the rendering of the cheaper (relatively) non-asph. at same f/1.2 .

This new 1.2/50mm asph. from Voigtlander is good news for me searching for smaller 50mm.
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The Noctilux 1.2 that I owned wasn't a particularly outstanding lens. It performed its best at wide apertures and started to degrade below f4. Of coursec you buy a lens like that for its wide open performance.

I wound up trading it for a Summicron and other equipment and didn't miss it. Since, I wish I had it back due to increased prices but I'd sell it if I had one.

About the time I got rid of mine I worked for the DOE and used a new f1 Noctilux. I agree I'd rather have the f1 version.
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Very Cool.., can't wait to see how it renders
for me voigtlander 50's are Special !
Agreed.... The 50mm f1.5 is spectacular............ even with an adapter to the Sony A7RIII... Magic.
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Old 03-02-2018   #25
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I've found some specs:

Main Specifications
Focal length 50 mm
Number of diaphragm blades 12
Maximum F value F1.2
Shortest shooting distance 70 cm
Minimum F value F22
Maximum diameter x Total length Φ 63.1 x 49.0 mm
Click Stop 1/2
Filter diameter Φ 52 mm
Lens construction 6 groups 8 pieces mount
VM (Leica M mount compatible)
Angle of view 47.5

Weight is not mentioned.

A twelve blade f-stop. Incredible!

The configuration will be like this (this is the Nokton 40mm f/1.2):



I guess that the hood is the same as from the 40mm f/1.2: LH8.

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Any of you guys shoot with the Voigtlander 40/1.2 E or M lens?

The new 50/1.2 has the same look and bokeh as the 40/1.2.

No delivery date or prices yet.

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Great news!
Any "feeling" about a release date?
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Old 03-07-2018   #27
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So it renders like the 1.2/40!
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Old 03-10-2018   #28
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I've found a new picture of the new 50mm f/1.2. Looks very nice with the shade, not unlike the Noctilux 50mm f/1.2.

A video can be seen here: https://www.newsshooter.com/2018/03/...lenses-cpplus/

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I bought a Zeiss Hologon 16/8, or I would have been interested in getting such a CV 50/1.2. I have the CV 50/1.1 and 50/1.5, so the 50/1.2 would fit in well.
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the apo-lanthar's bokeh is really smooth, and the nokton is only slightly edgy, judging by the oof circles that aren't blown out. [insert drool emoji here]
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they should have tweaked the min focus on the 1.1 instead. only reason why I sold it, 1m min focus didn't work for me. be interesting to see the pricing on this lens and real world photos.
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Never seen a through-the-lens video to help evaluate a lens, but that's actually quite helpful isn't it? Thanks for sharing.
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Any samples yet?
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Great news!
Any "feeling" about a release date?
Yes, really great news!
Also the comment about the similar rendering like the great Nokton 1.2/40.

Unfortunately the announcements from Cosina actually take 12 Month to availability.
See the Ultron 1.7/35 VM ...
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Yes, really great news!
Also the comment about the similar rendering like the great Nokton 1.2/40.

Unfortunately the announcements from Cosina actually take 12 Month to availability.
See the Ultron 1.7/35 VM ...
We can save up some money until then ...

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Great news, I was hoping for a Zeiss Zm fast 50, but this should do nicely. Hopefully better resolution at wider aperatures than the 1.1.
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Hopefully better resolution at wider aperatures than the 1.1.
Hardly possible in my opinion.

Leica M3, VC Nokton 50mm f/1.1 full aperture, Tmax400.

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Old 03-22-2018   #39
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But with a finer 'grain' film...
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I always thought that f1.2 was half a stop faster than f1.4. On you tube today on photographer was saying the 50mm f1.2 Nikkor let more light through than the canon 50mm f1.2?

Just found this, and there are other charts out there:


https://shuttermuse.com/f-stop-chart/

Seem f1.2 IS half a stop faster than f1.4. However, it can also be 1/3 of a stop. Lets hope the VC is half a stop , rather than one third. With 2 aspherical lens surfaces, and 8 elements, this is be a cutting edge lens.
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