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Would you trade your M9 to go back to an M8?
Old 04-08-2012   #1
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Would you trade your M9 to go back to an M8?

Would you trade your M9 to go back to an M8?

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- M9 is still $5K to $6, and will start going down its devaluation curve
- M8 is likely at the bottom of its devaluation curve, with mint units at $2.5K
- M8 is still a darned fine camera, and I still have a whack of UV/IR filters

Has anyone gone from M9 back to an M8? What were your reasons?

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I'd have to ask ... once you've had an M9 why would you go back to the M8 if you didn't have to for financial reasons?
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... or trade your M8 towards an M7 .....?
I am sure that some people have done this too.
This is different from going from an M9 to an M8.
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... or trade your M8 towrards an M7 .....?
I am sure that some people have done this too.

But that's going from digital to film Raid ... that's not a change that's a quantum leap!
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once you've had an M9 why would you go back to the M8 if you didn't have to for financial reasons?
Exactly. Unless you want to shoot IR on the M or need to get some cash, there is no reason to go back to M8. Just crop the M9 files and you are basically there.
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I'd have to ask ... once you've had an M9 why would you go back to the M8 if you didn't have to for financial reasons?
I'd consider trading for something cheaper, not because I need the money, but because I'd feel more comfortable putting something cheaper in precarious situations, and also I suppose maybe the perceived feeling of a lack of value.

I think with items like this, which are emotional purchases more often than logical ones, just a general "feeling" can be enough to sway us.
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In a word: no. M9 is FF, allowing a wider range of wide-angles to be used. Also M9 has a better handle on the IR problem. Also, bigger sensor = more resolution. The M8 is a find camera, but the M9 is truly the next iterative product from Leica and a better one in many ways both large and small (e.g. selectable lens menu). The relative placement of the cameras on the depreciating-without-a-parachute model that digital currently favors is, to me, irrelevant.
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Can you get a warranty on $2000 M8?
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I am in the opposite camp so my first reaction is based in reality. Even though I had the desire, I never found the need to upgrade from the M8 to an M9.

If I were in the opposite situation, I would probably find little need nor interest in downgrading.


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Can you get a warranty on $2000 M8?
If you have it serviced by Leica, then yes you can.
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But that's going from digital to film Raid ... that's not a change that's a quantum leap!
Hang on Keith, do you mean that a larger sensor and an IR filter is a quantum leap?

I mean, well, yes M8 is an older generation camera, but compared to the M9 I'm not sure if one can say the difference is a quantum leap...

But hey, I'm biased as an M8.2 owner
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No, but my M9 is at the end of its warranty.
I think I can find a demo M8 with warranty though, for $2.5K
And I'd have $3K in my pocket.

Yes, this pondering is about money.

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If you feel you'd be happy with an M8, why not? Worst that can happen is that you realise you prefer the M9, and it's worth the extra money. Then you re-buy at a lower cost once the M10 comes out. With digital, you pretty much always get the chance to buy again at a lower cost.
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One thing I'd have to challenge is the idea that the M8 is at the bottom of its devaluation curve. When it comes to digital cameras, I've yet to see anything that would convince me there is such a thing as being at the bottom of a devaluation curve.


That said, if you don't need full frame, I'd see no issue with going back to the M8. If the M8 meets your needs, why have several thousand more dollars tied up in an M9?
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If the M8 meets your needs, why have several thousand more dollars tied up in an M9?
Exactly - decide which meets your needs, then do it.
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Interesting thread, have been thinking about selling an M6 to try digital via an m8.... Good that people think its still a viable option...


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Interesting thread, have been thinking about selling an M6 to try digital via an m8.... Good that people think its still a viable option...
I guess it is every bit as viable as when it was released. The only thing you need to consider a little, is long term servicing.
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M9 to M8? Unless you are living on the street but still want to shoot digital, I don't see any reason in this world why you would do it.
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Old 04-08-2012   #18
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If I had the lenses fitting my needs on the M8, I would trade one M9 against two M8 bodies in a heart beat. And have enough cash left for another lens or a week-end in Hawaii or similar.

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Good point! Assumed they'll service them for a good few years yet...


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I've got my M8 and my full frame M already, it's an M4. :-)
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Old 04-08-2012   #21
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I did. I had a M9 but sold it and kept my M8. The M9 advantages of more pixels weren't needed. Per pixel quality was same, with the advantage of sharpness going to the m8. On the M9, battery life was a bit worse and operational speed wasnt better.
There was still magenta cast on the M9; none with IR filters on the M8.
I like the top LCD on the M8.
My M8 works properly, so that was reassuring.
My lenses work better on the M8 crop sensor. I avoid the edges, and my summicron 50 becomes a perfect, light 75 FOV with f2 in terms of light and exposure but gives a nice 2.8 DOF. I have a g-rokkor 28 that looks great on the m8 but needed software/firmware adjustment on the m9. The 35 cron asph , too, works great. I would have been happier if the lenses could've been used "straight" on the M9 rather than requiring manipulation, in some cases, namely, the wide angles.
The ISO adjustment in the M8 is really easy, despite all the whining on the web.
I would like the next M to have a short shutter lag, better battery life, weather sealing, higher resolution screen, return of the top LCD, quieter, recessed strap lugs like the titanium M9, and lighter. Do we really need it to be made of brass? really? And a nice rubbery grip like the Nikon F6 and a slight bulge like the hear Rf for holding.
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No, but my M9 is at the end of its warranty.
I think I can find a demo M8 with warranty though, for $2.5K
And I'd have $3K in my pocket.
Yes, this pondering is about money. Vick
if its for that, sell it now why you can get decent money for it, a couple on fleabay in Oz went the whole term without a bid, so if you can get 5K do it.
i picked up a mint 8.2 for $1900AUS and didnt like it, my son has it now, and truthfully it is not worth the money...(my personal opinion)...we wont go into how much the M9 is really "worth"...(as a camera)....cheers


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Old 04-08-2012   #23
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I did it, I fit your profile perfectly.
Bought back into the L brand, with a nice M8. Used it, liked it, wanted bigger/better, sold the M8, bought the M9. Loved it, but man oh man, that nagging feeling I had a whole wad of dough tied up in a body. That nagging feeling turned into a "wonder if going back to an M8, and a film body would make better sense" concept, and I did it. Swapped the M9 for a local M8, both of us are happy, and bought the M6, plus another lens or two. Still had some cash left over.
If there is one thing the M8 does and does well, it is handheld I/R, and right now I am having a blast with that.
The one and only gripe (nah, not a gripe, wish) is that I could slip an I/R filter "inside" so the lenses don't need to have the filter fitted. This option has been round for ages on the EOS system, used for astro imaging with the Canon EOS cameras.
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No but I'd trade up to an M10 if it made sense (and if it is in fact being introduced next month).
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I'm happy with my M8.2, but if I had an M9, I doubt I would go back. That's because I'm a wide-angle guy. So far, though, I've gotten along well with the 21mm ASPH on the M8. I doubt I will go for an M9 any time soon.
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i didn't trade...but i do have 2 rd1 bodies and no m8...
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What's this thread all about? In my world where glass and skill is far more important than the camera, and where a TON of film can be had for the price of either and M8 and more so an M9, who cares?

I'm a 99%er, and I'll match ANY of you 1%ers with a judged shoot off, ANY time. I'll lay you down like David did Goliath with your damned M9. Pick your street. Bring it on!
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Old 04-08-2012   #28
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I own an M8, mostly because I can't afford or justify the price of an M9.

I don't think the M8 is as bad as people think it is. It might've been disappointing on it's release, especially with it's price... but I don't think it's a bad camera. I haven't had any issue with the problems that people kept bringing up about the camera. I don't code my lenses, I don't use I/R filters, I just put my lenses on and shoot. I didn't like the crop factor, but I've shot enough with the M8 that I can get along with it fine.

Would I like an M9? Yes, but only if I didn't have to pay for it. It doesn't seem like it's worth the extra cash. I might be biased, but I get along fine shooting with my M8. The only thing the M9 offers me that the M8 doesnt is a full frame sensor, which I've gotten used to not having.

Plus, I mostly shoot the 35mm focal length... if I needed a higher quality, "full frame" 35mm view, I have my X100. These two cameras give me what I need, at about $1-2k under what an M9 would cost me.

Though, maybe I'm wrong about all this, and if I ever had the chance to play with an M9 for a long period of time, I'd change my mind completely. Who knows?
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In the OP's case I don't see that it can be a financial necessity ... Vic has posted about some very nice top shelf gear that he owns in my time here so unless he's suddenly had a change of situation and is now hanging around soup kitchens .......... ?

I had an M8 and the IR problem and crop factor were annoying which may sound odd for someone who's just bought an RD-1. Living with a crop factor for $6000 AUD (new M8 price in OZ) and living with one for under a grand are very different situations. I wouldn't go back to an M8 for any reason because although it may be a $2000 dollar camera now it wasn't five years ago when someone paid a motza for it!

IMO the M8 promised a lot and delivered little for it's price ... the M9 is bloody expensive agreed but all the things that were handicapping the M8 were addressed with the M9!
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Looks like only a few have done it and only a few more have made the transition from M8 to M9 to be eilgible to answer the question. Suggests that M8 owners and M9 first time digital M owners are both happy. That's good.
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Maybe that would explain the bizarre response.
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Maybe that would explain the bizarre response.


Along with ... "Where the hell is my medication?"
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I'm still happy with my M8 after four and a half years. I actually wish Leica would offer a less expensive 1.33 crop M, in addition to their full frame offering, as I wouldn't mind an updated sensor with more and better pixels, but I really have no need for full frame over a crop. Sadly, I don't expect it to happen.
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You should be able to get an M8 a lot cheaper than 2.5k.. So more money in the pocket...
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If the M8 didn't have the poor high ISO performance it's lumbered with along with the IR issue it would actually be a serious alternative to an M9!
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To me, yes, the M9 is that much better than the M8 (and I have both). That's just for the full frame, never mind the filtration and the extra megapixels.

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I don't think I would, I still think the M8 is a great camera but not as good as the M9.
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The M8 is great, the M9 is the M8, just better. I would not willingly go back.
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Nup. trading down to a M8 from my M9 would be like trading a Rolls Royce for a Buick LeSabre, or something...
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